18:30:23 <pboy> #startmeeting docs
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18:30:39 <pboy> Welcome everybody.
18:30:49 <pboy> The object today is to provide an opportunity to discuss some current issues directly, quasi virtually vis-a-vis
18:30:49 <pboy> Therefore, let's see who is here.
18:30:58 <pboy> #topic Roll call
18:31:09 <pboy> Please, everybody who is lurking, say either ".hello2" or ".hello <fasname>"
18:33:26 <smooge> hello
18:33:40 <smooge> oh wait sorry was thinking this was epel
18:34:01 <smooge> so I am here but may not be what you are looking for
18:34:37 <pboy> Yeah, I would like to see you with server, again :-)
18:34:46 <hkl> .hi klavier
18:34:47 <zodbot> hkl: Sorry, but user 'hkl' does not exist
18:34:52 <pboy> but docs is a bit surprising.
18:34:55 <hkl> .hiello klavier
18:35:11 <hkl> .hello klavier
18:35:12 <zodbot> hkl: klavier 'Test Lab' <hanku.lee@gmail.com>
18:35:32 <hkl> hi Peter and all
18:35:42 <pboy> Hi hank!
18:36:17 <hkl> How are you? Been looking out for you everywhere virtually
18:36:39 <pboy> Yeah, sorry, the last days were a hard time.
18:37:05 <pboy> Didn't know that so many servers can break down at the same time.
18:37:18 <pboy> And many of my team are on vacation.
18:37:19 <hkl> serenity of IRC has some charm
18:37:52 <hkl> Things are better now?
18:39:12 <pboy> Yes, yesterday at the evening we got the last peace of software up and runnig again. Was a special data collection software, installed about 2011 and never updated since than.
18:39:18 <pboy> Was a nightmare.
18:39:46 <pboy> Sometimes I'm wondering what my research fellows are doing.
18:40:10 <hkl> you got many hats!
18:40:32 <pboy> yeah, at least currently.
18:41:41 <pboy> Well, what are we doing now?
18:43:03 <pboy> I suppose we should coordinate the next writing together event.
18:43:22 <hkl> we can go through a brief agenda as announced earlier
18:43:22 <pboy> But I'm wondering if IRC is the best place.
18:43:39 <pboy> Yeah, we should to that.
18:43:40 <hkl> lol, I was moaning about Matrix with other colleagues.
18:44:04 <pboy> I think of Mail or discussion.
18:44:22 <pboy> Well, I post the agenda
18:44:25 <hkl> i know new colleagues expect matrix, but meetbot in matrix not fully ready. no need to rush
18:44:40 <pboy> #topic Agenda
18:44:49 <pboy> #info Writing together virtually, next event(s) planning
18:44:58 <pboy> #info Proposal for a change in the structure of the Docs homepage, feedback so far and further planning
18:45:06 <pboy> #info Preparations for F39 release
18:45:14 <pboy> #info Open floor
18:45:18 <hkl> sorry i had to put agenda and timetable asap, so you're okay with the schedule, thanks
18:45:49 <pboy> Yeah, everything OK I think.
18:45:51 <pboy> #topic 1. Writing together virtually, next event(s) planning
18:46:02 <pboy> A question
18:46:08 <hkl> go ahead
18:46:50 <pboy> Do you want to skip the first time 12:00 UTC?
18:47:03 <pboy> Last time there was just one participant
18:47:15 <pboy> But there were more expected
18:48:19 <hkl> true. 12 UTC does not satisfy APAC.
18:48:29 <pboy> APAC??
18:49:02 <hkl> none of our meeting time suits APAC although there are a few people responded in when is good from Australia, Singapore
18:49:34 <hkl> Asia Pacific - SIngapore, Australia, New Zealand
18:49:46 <pboy> Oh, ok thanks
18:50:03 <hkl> and 12 UTC is my working time...i feell bit pressed in lunch time.
18:50:38 <pboy> OK, that isn't a good time, indeed.
18:50:58 <pboy> What do we with our participant ?
18:51:18 <pboy> I can't remember what we decided upon.
18:51:30 <hkl> you mean agenda?
18:52:11 <pboy> No, can we make contact with the participant of the 12:00 time?
18:52:32 <pboy> Or will we miss him?
18:54:05 <hkl> Ah, I remember the person who attended 12 utc meeting. I can leave a note on discussion. he was one of those expresssed interest
18:54:26 <hkl> the person is closely working with web team
18:54:54 <pboy> Yes, I remember now. I think I would be good to contact him.
18:55:38 <hkl> will DM Ajay
18:55:58 <pboy> thanks.
18:56:58 <pboy> And maybe in some mpnths we should make a new try to get some people of the APAC regions. But it may be hard for us - because ot time differences
18:58:09 <hkl> so I want to rotate it from November
18:58:53 <hkl> this weekly meeting is also EMEA/US friendly, but not for APAC.
18:59:01 <pboy> What do you mean with rotate?
18:59:20 <pboy> regarding thes meeting - yes indeed!
18:59:53 <pboy> May be we would need 2 meetings - or change time every other week.
19:00:14 <hkl> workshop schedule rotation means we do that on a month at 18 UTC, the other month 8 UTC like that
19:00:58 <hkl> yes just like social hout, but the schedule must appreciate both sides - host and participant as much as possible.
19:01:17 <pboy> Ok, do we expect the same participants? Or different participants according their home time zone?
19:01:35 <hkl> i know you have a routine in the morning, but i have to contribute out of working hours
19:02:05 <pboy> I'm a bit flexible with my morning routine  :-)
19:02:38 <hkl> and also, I will try recordiing track 2 workshop, so people can watch it later.
19:02:48 <pboy> Problem with thursday is, I have to leave 10:00 UTC for may Rehab event.
19:03:41 <pboy> Currentliy thats 8:00 UTC, in some weeks after the switch ir may be better.
19:04:06 <hkl> you can leave a bit early, and we review time for January so we can pick a better time, I had to make executive decision because no one reposnded to my question
19:04:46 <hkl> the schedule is published for until December. I expect other colleagues step up and join
19:05:00 <pboy> OK. let's try and collect some experience.
19:06:15 <pboy> The next event is Oct 19? thatis next week, or is there a date before that one.
19:06:29 <pboy> Sorry, I missed a lot over the last weeks
19:07:44 <hkl> no 26 October
19:08:08 <hkl> one week notice is not good for people planning on their diary
19:08:33 <hkl> it is technical review of Quick Docs articles.
19:08:42 <pboy> Oh, didn't you ask in your mail the 19?  26 is OK for me, too.
19:09:02 <hkl> that was the past tense
19:09:40 <pboy> Oh. OK  so I move my diary entry from 19 to 26.
19:10:27 <hkl> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/82564/18
19:11:37 <hkl> it may be good to have a short rehearsal next week with you
19:11:46 <pboy> OK, I had read the post, but didn't notice the new date.
19:12:12 <pboy> Yeah, short reherarsal is good!
19:12:27 <pboy> So <i keep both dates :-)
19:13:07 <hkl> thanks
19:13:16 <pboy> Well, I think we should switch to the next topic?
19:13:33 <hkl> yes please
19:13:37 <pboy> #topic 2.  Proposal for a change in the structure of the Docs homepage, feedback so far and further planning
19:13:48 <pboy> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/proposal-for-a-change-in-the-structure-of-the-docs-homepage/89235
19:14:34 <pboy> At the moment I think, we have not enough feedback to modify enything.
19:15:21 <hkl> Rearranging Docs home page design - I think we need feedback from web team and CommOps.
19:16:11 <pboy> It's not so much about design, but about content and its presentation.
19:16:38 <hkl> sorry my understanding was limited.
19:16:49 <pboy> So I think we need feedback from docs contributors and the community.
19:16:56 <pboy> And probably council.
19:17:16 <hkl> making contributor docs a separate block - yes
19:17:43 <hkl> using pebbles (blocks) - is it the only possible way?
19:18:39 <pboy> With the current design of the docs home page - at least that is doable. Anything else would end in a complete redisign.
19:18:58 <pboy> And I think, that's too much work at the moment.
19:19:18 <hkl> what about making it blend witth the main page, if it isn't too much ask?
19:19:52 <hkl> alright, being a realist, let's agree on a separate section of contributor docs
19:20:54 <pboy> On the main page there is a contributor button. I think, we should provide several possible entry points.
19:21:27 <hkl> yes, as I showed the steps on the workshop, it is mutiple steps
19:21:51 <hkl> i can leave comments on your post after the meeting
19:22:37 <pboy> Yes, please. May be it inspires someopne else, too  :-)
19:22:59 <pboy> Well, lets switch to the last topic.
19:23:17 <pboy> #topic 3.  Preparations for F39 release
19:23:39 <pboy> What do we have to do? What do we want to do?
19:24:59 <pboy> At the moment I have only the home page in mind.
19:25:39 <pboy> We have to change 38 into 39 and the link the the new release notes.
19:25:55 <hkl> well, apart from Quick Docs and firefighting, what docs activity is time-bound to release cycle? that is release notes, which are supported quite well
19:26:56 <hkl> home page redesign before F39 - that's worth trying
19:27:01 <pboy> Well, we planned to switch  QD to the categories and tags. But we have no reources to adapt the pages accordingly.
19:27:58 <pboy> Se we cant talk about that at the release party, as an example. And we cant use it to interest new people.
19:28:05 <hkl> ah i forgot it. switch QD to categories - who can do that?
19:28:45 <pboy> I asked darkno some weeks ago. I has no time left at the moment. I
19:29:10 <pboy> And he didn't knew of someone else, who could.
19:29:41 <pboy> So, it is kind of dead project at the moment.
19:30:25 <hkl> all the groundwork is done by you, and the next is lift and shift to me
19:31:10 <hkl> time is up, let me think how to phrase it on discussion
19:31:15 <pboy> But it is about page building and Antora.
19:31:55 <pboy> I think, you should concentrate on writing together. That's the most important project, at the moment
19:32:26 <pboy> Yes, time is up. So lets continue on discussion. Maybe, we find a solution.
19:32:49 <pboy> So I close now.
19:33:00 <pboy> #endmeeting