18:30:23 #startmeeting docs 18:30:23 Meeting started Wed Oct 11 18:30:23 2023 UTC. 18:30:23 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 18:30:23 The chair is pboy. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 18:30:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:30:23 The meeting name has been set to 'docs' 18:30:39 Welcome everybody. 18:30:49 The object today is to provide an opportunity to discuss some current issues directly, quasi virtually vis-a-vis 18:30:49 Therefore, let's see who is here. 18:30:58 #topic Roll call 18:31:09 Please, everybody who is lurking, say either ".hello2" or ".hello " 18:33:26 hello 18:33:40 oh wait sorry was thinking this was epel 18:34:01 so I am here but may not be what you are looking for 18:34:37 Yeah, I would like to see you with server, again :-) 18:34:46 .hi klavier 18:34:47 hkl: Sorry, but user 'hkl' does not exist 18:34:52 but docs is a bit surprising. 18:34:55 .hiello klavier 18:35:11 .hello klavier 18:35:12 hkl: klavier 'Test Lab' 18:35:32 hi Peter and all 18:35:42 Hi hank! 18:36:17 How are you? Been looking out for you everywhere virtually 18:36:39 Yeah, sorry, the last days were a hard time. 18:37:05 Didn't know that so many servers can break down at the same time. 18:37:18 And many of my team are on vacation. 18:37:19 serenity of IRC has some charm 18:37:52 Things are better now? 18:39:12 Yes, yesterday at the evening we got the last peace of software up and runnig again. Was a special data collection software, installed about 2011 and never updated since than. 18:39:18 Was a nightmare. 18:39:46 Sometimes I'm wondering what my research fellows are doing. 18:40:10 you got many hats! 18:40:32 yeah, at least currently. 18:41:41 Well, what are we doing now? 18:43:03 I suppose we should coordinate the next writing together event. 18:43:22 we can go through a brief agenda as announced earlier 18:43:22 But I'm wondering if IRC is the best place. 18:43:39 Yeah, we should to that. 18:43:40 lol, I was moaning about Matrix with other colleagues. 18:44:04 I think of Mail or discussion. 18:44:22 Well, I post the agenda 18:44:25 i know new colleagues expect matrix, but meetbot in matrix not fully ready. no need to rush 18:44:40 #topic Agenda 18:44:49 #info Writing together virtually, next event(s) planning 18:44:58 #info Proposal for a change in the structure of the Docs homepage, feedback so far and further planning 18:45:06 #info Preparations for F39 release 18:45:14 #info Open floor 18:45:18 sorry i had to put agenda and timetable asap, so you're okay with the schedule, thanks 18:45:49 Yeah, everything OK I think. 18:45:51 #topic 1. Writing together virtually, next event(s) planning 18:46:02 A question 18:46:08 go ahead 18:46:50 Do you want to skip the first time 12:00 UTC? 18:47:03 Last time there was just one participant 18:47:15 But there were more expected 18:48:19 true. 12 UTC does not satisfy APAC. 18:48:29 APAC?? 18:49:02 none of our meeting time suits APAC although there are a few people responded in when is good from Australia, Singapore 18:49:34 Asia Pacific - SIngapore, Australia, New Zealand 18:49:46 Oh, ok thanks 18:50:03 and 12 UTC is my working time...i feell bit pressed in lunch time. 18:50:38 OK, that isn't a good time, indeed. 18:50:58 What do we with our participant ? 18:51:18 I can't remember what we decided upon. 18:51:30 you mean agenda? 18:52:11 No, can we make contact with the participant of the 12:00 time? 18:52:32 Or will we miss him? 18:54:05 Ah, I remember the person who attended 12 utc meeting. I can leave a note on discussion. he was one of those expresssed interest 18:54:26 the person is closely working with web team 18:54:54 Yes, I remember now. I think I would be good to contact him. 18:55:38 will DM Ajay 18:55:58 thanks. 18:56:58 And maybe in some mpnths we should make a new try to get some people of the APAC regions. But it may be hard for us - because ot time differences 18:58:09 so I want to rotate it from November 18:58:53 this weekly meeting is also EMEA/US friendly, but not for APAC. 18:59:01 What do you mean with rotate? 18:59:20 regarding thes meeting - yes indeed! 18:59:53 May be we would need 2 meetings - or change time every other week. 19:00:14 workshop schedule rotation means we do that on a month at 18 UTC, the other month 8 UTC like that 19:00:58 yes just like social hout, but the schedule must appreciate both sides - host and participant as much as possible. 19:01:17 Ok, do we expect the same participants? Or different participants according their home time zone? 19:01:35 i know you have a routine in the morning, but i have to contribute out of working hours 19:02:05 I'm a bit flexible with my morning routine :-) 19:02:38 and also, I will try recordiing track 2 workshop, so people can watch it later. 19:02:48 Problem with thursday is, I have to leave 10:00 UTC for may Rehab event. 19:03:41 Currentliy thats 8:00 UTC, in some weeks after the switch ir may be better. 19:04:06 you can leave a bit early, and we review time for January so we can pick a better time, I had to make executive decision because no one reposnded to my question 19:04:46 the schedule is published for until December. I expect other colleagues step up and join 19:05:00 OK. let's try and collect some experience. 19:06:15 The next event is Oct 19? thatis next week, or is there a date before that one. 19:06:29 Sorry, I missed a lot over the last weeks 19:07:44 no 26 October 19:08:08 one week notice is not good for people planning on their diary 19:08:33 it is technical review of Quick Docs articles. 19:08:42 Oh, didn't you ask in your mail the 19? 26 is OK for me, too. 19:09:02 that was the past tense 19:09:40 Oh. OK so I move my diary entry from 19 to 26. 19:10:27 https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/82564/18 19:11:37 it may be good to have a short rehearsal next week with you 19:11:46 OK, I had read the post, but didn't notice the new date. 19:12:12 Yeah, short reherarsal is good! 19:12:27 So thanks 19:13:16 Well, I think we should switch to the next topic? 19:13:33 yes please 19:13:37 #topic 2. Proposal for a change in the structure of the Docs homepage, feedback so far and further planning 19:13:48 #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/proposal-for-a-change-in-the-structure-of-the-docs-homepage/89235 19:14:34 At the moment I think, we have not enough feedback to modify enything. 19:15:21 Rearranging Docs home page design - I think we need feedback from web team and CommOps. 19:16:11 It's not so much about design, but about content and its presentation. 19:16:38 sorry my understanding was limited. 19:16:49 So I think we need feedback from docs contributors and the community. 19:16:56 And probably council. 19:17:16 making contributor docs a separate block - yes 19:17:43 using pebbles (blocks) - is it the only possible way? 19:18:39 With the current design of the docs home page - at least that is doable. Anything else would end in a complete redisign. 19:18:58 And I think, that's too much work at the moment. 19:19:18 what about making it blend witth the main page, if it isn't too much ask? 19:19:52 alright, being a realist, let's agree on a separate section of contributor docs 19:20:54 On the main page there is a contributor button. I think, we should provide several possible entry points. 19:21:27 yes, as I showed the steps on the workshop, it is mutiple steps 19:21:51 i can leave comments on your post after the meeting 19:22:37 Yes, please. May be it inspires someopne else, too :-) 19:22:59 Well, lets switch to the last topic. 19:23:17 #topic 3. Preparations for F39 release 19:23:39 What do we have to do? What do we want to do? 19:24:59 At the moment I have only the home page in mind. 19:25:39 We have to change 38 into 39 and the link the the new release notes. 19:25:55 well, apart from Quick Docs and firefighting, what docs activity is time-bound to release cycle? that is release notes, which are supported quite well 19:26:56 home page redesign before F39 - that's worth trying 19:27:01 Well, we planned to switch QD to the categories and tags. But we have no reources to adapt the pages accordingly. 19:27:58 Se we cant talk about that at the release party, as an example. And we cant use it to interest new people. 19:28:05 ah i forgot it. switch QD to categories - who can do that? 19:28:45 I asked darkno some weeks ago. I has no time left at the moment. I 19:29:10 And he didn't knew of someone else, who could. 19:29:41 So, it is kind of dead project at the moment. 19:30:25 all the groundwork is done by you, and the next is lift and shift to me 19:31:10 time is up, let me think how to phrase it on discussion 19:31:15 But it is about page building and Antora. 19:31:55 I think, you should concentrate on writing together. That's the most important project, at the moment 19:32:26 Yes, time is up. So lets continue on discussion. Maybe, we find a solution. 19:32:49 So I close now. 19:33:00 #endmeeting