18:31:05 <pboy> #startmeeting docs
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18:31:18 <pboy> The object today is to provide an opportunity to discuss some current issues directly, quasi virtually vis-a-vis
18:31:27 <pboy> Therefore, let's see who is here.
18:31:38 <pboy> #topic Roll call
18:31:49 <pboy> Please, everybody who is lurking, say either ".hello2" or ".hello <fasname>"
18:32:04 <hkl> .hello klavier
18:32:06 <zodbot> hkl: klavier 'Test Lab' <hanku.lee@gmail.com>
18:32:21 <pboy> Hi!
18:32:45 <hkl> hi how are you doing?
18:33:32 <pboy> Well I'm very fine to day. Last night I resolved the last big issue with our infrastructure
18:33:55 <pboy> I hooe, I have some hats less, now  :-)
18:34:07 <pboy> hooe -> hope
18:34:13 <hkl> Great news. Just curious if you use Ansible
18:35:06 <hkl> advance notice from me - I need to step out 10 min earlier than finish time
18:35:07 <pboy> We at Server WG are working to make it the main configuration and installation tool for Server , besides Cockpit
18:35:29 <pboy> hkl that's fine for me.
18:36:15 <pboy> I think, I'll post our Agenda so far now and we start .
18:36:20 <hkl> yes
18:36:29 <pboy> #topic Agenda
18:36:40 <pboy> #info Proposal for a change in the structure of the Docs homepage
18:37:34 <pboy> #info Writing together virtually
18:37:43 <pboy> #info Docs team on F39 release party
18:37:51 <pboy> #info Open floor
18:38:58 <pboy> Anything to add?
18:39:11 <hkl> nope
18:39:20 <pboy> OK then
18:39:35 <pboy> #topic 1. Proposal for a change in the structure of the Docs homepage
18:40:05 <pboy> I guess we still have not enough feedback to make a change.
18:40:40 <hkl> I gave a nudge on Discussion thread, but no news.
18:40:57 <pboy> Yeah, I read it.
18:42:08 <hkl> Last few weeks, Discussion thread overall is really quiet. Where did people go?
18:42:36 <pboy> I'm not sure, everyone busy with release issues?
18:42:56 <hkl> probably
18:43:05 <pboy> I think, there are still a lot of issues.
18:43:21 <pboy> But I missed the details so far.
18:43:59 <pboy> I'll attend the go/nogo meeting tomorrow.
18:44:32 <hkl> That will help. Thanks
18:45:18 <pboy> Nevertheless, to any change as part of the release it way too late now.
18:45:42 <pboy> So, we may spare it for next release
18:46:47 <hkl> Can we not decouple docs site change with release milestone? It could happen anytime regardless
18:47:38 <pboy> Yes, we can, of course. But we could use it at release date to advocate docs team.
18:48:07 <pboy> There is a lot of "marketing" activity at each release
18:50:17 <hkl> I think it is also perfectly fine to detach it from the cycle. Having release cycle as target could make sense. But making a small and big change should happen anytime.
18:52:03 <pboy> Maybe, we can talk about it on release party? There are a lot of participants. Maybe we get some feedback there.
18:52:42 <hkl> yes we can come back to that
18:53:01 <pboy> OK, so lets switch for now.
18:53:17 <pboy> #topic 2. Writing together virtually
18:53:57 <pboy> It I remember correctly, we have a date tomorow  :-)
18:54:52 <pboy> for preparation and rehearsel
18:54:54 <hkl> 19 October tomorrow is rehearsal to discuss topics and how to organize the workshop. The workshop date is 26 October next week
18:55:43 <pboy> Yes, indeed. Tomorrow it's 12:00 UTC?  or later after your working time?
18:55:57 <pboy> I just remember ir out of my head
18:56:23 <pboy> Arrr I just don't remember ...
18:56:24 <hkl> tomorrow 18 UTC - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/82564/18
18:56:41 <hkl> i retracted 12 UTC from my diary
18:56:47 <pboy> OK, even better!
18:57:09 <pboy> I have to read a lot and to catch up.
18:57:20 <hkl> the rehearsa, will be short.
18:57:48 <pboy> Yes, but nevertheless, it's good and nice to meet you.
18:59:02 <pboy> So, I guess, we can switch to next topic?
19:00:11 <hkl> the link for tomorrow is https://meet.jit.si/moderated/4f01eef97994da65122faee2daaa948138bdb247a553768a6870cbf51f8724da
19:00:25 <hkl> different from September
19:00:37 <hkl> ok go to next topic
19:00:39 <pboy> Thanks. It's a lot longer now.
19:01:07 <pboy> Is it a new kind of organization?
19:01:13 <hkl> to avoid drop-in vandal/Zoom bombing
19:01:20 <pboy> Did Jitsi change something?
19:01:41 <pboy> Ah OK. yes. that' good
19:01:52 <hkl> they revived 'Moderated' meeting, so only selected moderators can control the meeting
19:02:26 <hkl> if we keep the same URL we will see unwanted guests
19:02:37 <pboy> Yes, this is the safe way, just in case
19:02:52 <pboy> So, let's switch
19:03:02 <pboy> #topic 3. Docs team on F39 release party
19:03:39 <pboy> Do you know, is there a discussion about the release party?  Or preparation?
19:03:48 <hkl> is release party on early Nov?
19:04:10 <pboy> AS far as I know it was panned for the first half of November, yes.
19:04:24 <pboy> i.e. first or second weekend
19:04:25 <hkl> No, I haven't seen comms about it yet.
19:04:45 <pboy> OK, wondering about it,
19:05:31 <hkl> i'm happy to re-appear on release party. I wonder if we can do it without presentation.
19:05:48 <pboy> Do you know if they have a Matrix room?
19:06:06 <hkl> Matrix toom for what?
19:06:16 <hkl> those who discuss release party?
19:06:21 <pboy> for preparing release party
19:06:27 <pboy> yes
19:07:25 <hkl> I had a sneak peek at Council meeting. If you scroll through it, we can see current state.
19:07:56 <hkl> https://matrix.to/#/#council:fedoraproject.org
19:08:02 <pboy> OK, I'll have a look afterwards.
19:08:27 <pboy> I'll have to scroll through all my Matrix messages anywayl
19:08:59 <pboy> I think, we should do it more as a talk than a presentation.
19:09:16 <hkl> that'll do
19:10:10 <pboy> We could report about a topic about 5 mins and ask for feedback. just an idea.
19:10:28 <hkl> Good idea
19:11:39 <pboy> OK, so we can think about 1 or 2 suitable topics.
19:12:18 <pboy> But first we should try to get some information about what is going on (or not going on)
19:12:41 <hkl> I got a couple of ideas floating, so will share it when those get mature and good to share.
19:13:21 <pboy> Same for me. So I'm sure we will put together a nice meeting.
19:13:49 <pboy> How does it go with an in-person meeting in London?
19:13:56 <hkl> i like interactivity we can do on video call.
19:14:17 <pboy> Yes, it's better.
19:14:31 <pboy> I just see, we are nearly up.
19:14:54 <hkl> ah I have put London meeting on hold because I need Chris and ankushina to organize. Chris will arrive in UK next year.
19:15:41 <hkl> Instead I have signed up with a Red Hat conference in London in November. I hope to get in touch with curious mind on FOSS.
19:15:54 <pboy> Oh, may be I have a passport until then (currently we have a long dellay in public administration).
19:16:21 <pboy> What*s that conference about?
19:16:47 <hkl> Red Hat Summit London
19:17:04 <pboy> Ah, nice.
19:17:24 <hkl> learning about OpenShift in enterprise and get to know Red Hat technical managers
19:17:41 <hkl> i attend it every year.
19:18:18 <pboy> We had a kind of RH user group once ago. But with Corona everything went down.
19:18:31 <pboy> Such  a pitty.
19:18:47 <hkl> RH revived local meetings from last year, II think there was one in Frankfurt
19:19:38 <hkl> You have one in Darmstadt in Nov. - https://www.redhat.com/en/summit/connect/emea/darmstadt-2023
19:19:46 <pboy> Obviously, I missed that. The user group was every 2 months in Hamburg
19:20:22 <hkl> Summit: Connect is a big event
19:20:48 <pboy> Nice!
19:20:49 <hkl> just so you know I can stay until the meeting finish time
19:21:48 <hkl> I met Ansible people recently
19:21:55 <pboy> I just had a look at the Darmstadt program. Looks interesting. Thanks for the link!
19:22:18 <hkl> My pleasure
19:22:29 <pboy> Yeah, there is an Ansible track in Darmstadt, too.
19:22:46 <pboy> Probably, I'll attend.
19:23:44 <pboy> Just in case, you other such hints. I would be a graceful recipient  :-)
19:24:11 <pboy> Obviously I missed too much while handling all my differfent hats.
19:25:22 <hkl> we all benefit from tidying up complex issues, so we can enjoy in-person events like that
19:25:55 <hkl> could we spend a few min in open floor?
19:26:12 <pboy> Of course, yeah.
19:26:22 <pboy> #topic 4. Open floor
19:26:27 <pboy> go on
19:27:40 <hkl> i have been thinking of making some changes to the meeting in 2024. We need time for discussion and once we agree - transition will be carefully planned
19:28:39 <pboy> Yes, I'm thinking about something like that for some times now.
19:28:40 <hkl> one is meeting time. as I hinted last time, current meeting time is not suitable to certain time zone. so we could alter them every two months, for an example.
19:29:08 <pboy> +1
19:29:36 <hkl> Cool. I will put together suggestions early Nov and share in Discussion
19:30:07 <pboy> I was thinking about something like a "writers corner".
19:30:38 <hkl> the other one is where weekly meeting takes place. ah we can come back to 'writer's corner' shortly
19:31:17 <hkl> as I overhear from various channels, the IRC/Matrix bridge may not be supported.
19:31:36 <pboy> Yes, I heard that,too.
19:31:52 <pboy> And I'm open to swirtch to Matrix room
19:31:53 <hkl> we have split in communication. I'm okay now, but we lose a lot using two chat systems.
19:32:10 <pboy> yes, indeed.
19:32:48 <hkl> if so, same as above we can put together a transition plan, so people have time to prepare for that, not for the change's sake.
19:33:03 <hkl> oops meeting time is over now
19:33:38 <hkl> we can discuss tomorrow in Jitsi
19:33:41 <pboy> Yeah, there are some possible issues to resolve. One of them is documentation.
19:34:05 <pboy> Yes, lets discuss it tomoorow. Its easies to speak then to type  :-)
19:34:12 <hkl> yes
19:34:21 <pboy> Oh, our time is up anyway.
19:34:23 <hkl> one hor of typiing is hard
19:35:03 <pboy> indeed, especially sp late in the evening after a day of typing
19:35:20 <pboy> OK, so lets continue tomorrow!
19:35:32 <hkl> thanks
19:35:56 <pboy> Bye bye and thanks for your initiatives
19:36:28 <pboy> #endmeeting