18:31:05 #startmeeting docs 18:31:05 Meeting started Wed Oct 18 18:31:05 2023 UTC. 18:31:05 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 18:31:05 The chair is pboy. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 18:31:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:31:05 The meeting name has been set to 'docs' 18:31:18 The object today is to provide an opportunity to discuss some current issues directly, quasi virtually vis-a-vis 18:31:27 Therefore, let's see who is here. 18:31:38 #topic Roll call 18:31:49 Please, everybody who is lurking, say either ".hello2" or ".hello " 18:32:04 .hello klavier 18:32:06 hkl: klavier 'Test Lab' 18:32:21 Hi! 18:32:45 hi how are you doing? 18:33:32 Well I'm very fine to day. Last night I resolved the last big issue with our infrastructure 18:33:55 I hooe, I have some hats less, now :-) 18:34:07 hooe -> hope 18:34:13 Great news. Just curious if you use Ansible 18:35:06 advance notice from me - I need to step out 10 min earlier than finish time 18:35:07 We at Server WG are working to make it the main configuration and installation tool for Server , besides Cockpit 18:35:29 hkl that's fine for me. 18:36:15 I think, I'll post our Agenda so far now and we start . 18:36:20 yes 18:36:29 #topic Agenda 18:36:40 #info Proposal for a change in the structure of the Docs homepage 18:37:34 #info Writing together virtually 18:37:43 #info Docs team on F39 release party 18:37:51 #info Open floor 18:38:58 Anything to add? 18:39:11 nope 18:39:20 OK then 18:39:35 #topic 1. Proposal for a change in the structure of the Docs homepage 18:40:05 I guess we still have not enough feedback to make a change. 18:40:40 I gave a nudge on Discussion thread, but no news. 18:40:57 Yeah, I read it. 18:42:08 Last few weeks, Discussion thread overall is really quiet. Where did people go? 18:42:36 I'm not sure, everyone busy with release issues? 18:42:56 probably 18:43:05 I think, there are still a lot of issues. 18:43:21 But I missed the details so far. 18:43:59 I'll attend the go/nogo meeting tomorrow. 18:44:32 That will help. Thanks 18:45:18 Nevertheless, to any change as part of the release it way too late now. 18:45:42 So, we may spare it for next release 18:46:47 Can we not decouple docs site change with release milestone? It could happen anytime regardless 18:47:38 Yes, we can, of course. But we could use it at release date to advocate docs team. 18:48:07 There is a lot of "marketing" activity at each release 18:50:17 I think it is also perfectly fine to detach it from the cycle. Having release cycle as target could make sense. But making a small and big change should happen anytime. 18:52:03 Maybe, we can talk about it on release party? There are a lot of participants. Maybe we get some feedback there. 18:52:42 yes we can come back to that 18:53:01 OK, so lets switch for now. 18:53:17 #topic 2. Writing together virtually 18:53:57 It I remember correctly, we have a date tomorow :-) 18:54:52 for preparation and rehearsel 18:54:54 19 October tomorrow is rehearsal to discuss topics and how to organize the workshop. The workshop date is 26 October next week 18:55:43 Yes, indeed. Tomorrow it's 12:00 UTC? or later after your working time? 18:55:57 I just remember ir out of my head 18:56:23 Arrr I just don't remember ... 18:56:24 tomorrow 18 UTC - https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/82564/18 18:56:41 i retracted 12 UTC from my diary 18:56:47 OK, even better! 18:57:09 I have to read a lot and to catch up. 18:57:20 the rehearsa, will be short. 18:57:48 Yes, but nevertheless, it's good and nice to meet you. 18:59:02 So, I guess, we can switch to next topic? 19:00:11 the link for tomorrow is https://meet.jit.si/moderated/4f01eef97994da65122faee2daaa948138bdb247a553768a6870cbf51f8724da 19:00:25 different from September 19:00:37 ok go to next topic 19:00:39 Thanks. It's a lot longer now. 19:01:07 Is it a new kind of organization? 19:01:13 to avoid drop-in vandal/Zoom bombing 19:01:20 Did Jitsi change something? 19:01:41 Ah OK. yes. that' good 19:01:52 they revived 'Moderated' meeting, so only selected moderators can control the meeting 19:02:26 if we keep the same URL we will see unwanted guests 19:02:37 Yes, this is the safe way, just in case 19:02:52 So, let's switch 19:03:02 #topic 3. Docs team on F39 release party 19:03:39 Do you know, is there a discussion about the release party? Or preparation? 19:03:48 is release party on early Nov? 19:04:10 AS far as I know it was panned for the first half of November, yes. 19:04:24 i.e. first or second weekend 19:04:25 No, I haven't seen comms about it yet. 19:04:45 OK, wondering about it, 19:05:31 i'm happy to re-appear on release party. I wonder if we can do it without presentation. 19:05:48 Do you know if they have a Matrix room? 19:06:06 Matrix toom for what? 19:06:16 those who discuss release party? 19:06:21 for preparing release party 19:06:27 yes 19:07:25 I had a sneak peek at Council meeting. If you scroll through it, we can see current state. 19:07:56 https://matrix.to/#/#council:fedoraproject.org 19:08:02 OK, I'll have a look afterwards. 19:08:27 I'll have to scroll through all my Matrix messages anywayl 19:08:59 I think, we should do it more as a talk than a presentation. 19:09:16 that'll do 19:10:10 We could report about a topic about 5 mins and ask for feedback. just an idea. 19:10:28 Good idea 19:11:39 OK, so we can think about 1 or 2 suitable topics. 19:12:18 But first we should try to get some information about what is going on (or not going on) 19:12:41 I got a couple of ideas floating, so will share it when those get mature and good to share. 19:13:21 Same for me. So I'm sure we will put together a nice meeting. 19:13:49 How does it go with an in-person meeting in London? 19:13:56 i like interactivity we can do on video call. 19:14:17 Yes, it's better. 19:14:31 I just see, we are nearly up. 19:14:54 ah I have put London meeting on hold because I need Chris and ankushina to organize. Chris will arrive in UK next year. 19:15:41 Instead I have signed up with a Red Hat conference in London in November. I hope to get in touch with curious mind on FOSS. 19:15:54 Oh, may be I have a passport until then (currently we have a long dellay in public administration). 19:16:21 What*s that conference about? 19:16:47 Red Hat Summit London 19:17:04 Ah, nice. 19:17:24 learning about OpenShift in enterprise and get to know Red Hat technical managers 19:17:41 i attend it every year. 19:18:18 We had a kind of RH user group once ago. But with Corona everything went down. 19:18:31 Such a pitty. 19:18:47 RH revived local meetings from last year, II think there was one in Frankfurt 19:19:38 You have one in Darmstadt in Nov. - https://www.redhat.com/en/summit/connect/emea/darmstadt-2023 19:19:46 Obviously, I missed that. The user group was every 2 months in Hamburg 19:20:22 Summit: Connect is a big event 19:20:48 Nice! 19:20:49 just so you know I can stay until the meeting finish time 19:21:48 I met Ansible people recently 19:21:55 I just had a look at the Darmstadt program. Looks interesting. Thanks for the link! 19:22:18 My pleasure 19:22:29 Yeah, there is an Ansible track in Darmstadt, too. 19:22:46 Probably, I'll attend. 19:23:44 Just in case, you other such hints. I would be a graceful recipient :-) 19:24:11 Obviously I missed too much while handling all my differfent hats. 19:25:22 we all benefit from tidying up complex issues, so we can enjoy in-person events like that 19:25:55 could we spend a few min in open floor? 19:26:12 Of course, yeah. 19:26:22 #topic 4. Open floor 19:26:27 go on 19:27:40 i have been thinking of making some changes to the meeting in 2024. We need time for discussion and once we agree - transition will be carefully planned 19:28:39 Yes, I'm thinking about something like that for some times now. 19:28:40 one is meeting time. as I hinted last time, current meeting time is not suitable to certain time zone. so we could alter them every two months, for an example. 19:29:08 +1 19:29:36 Cool. I will put together suggestions early Nov and share in Discussion 19:30:07 I was thinking about something like a "writers corner". 19:30:38 the other one is where weekly meeting takes place. ah we can come back to 'writer's corner' shortly 19:31:17 as I overhear from various channels, the IRC/Matrix bridge may not be supported. 19:31:36 Yes, I heard that,too. 19:31:52 And I'm open to swirtch to Matrix room 19:31:53 we have split in communication. I'm okay now, but we lose a lot using two chat systems. 19:32:10 yes, indeed. 19:32:48 if so, same as above we can put together a transition plan, so people have time to prepare for that, not for the change's sake. 19:33:03 oops meeting time is over now 19:33:38 we can discuss tomorrow in Jitsi 19:33:41 Yeah, there are some possible issues to resolve. One of them is documentation. 19:34:05 Yes, lets discuss it tomoorow. Its easies to speak then to type :-) 19:34:12 yes 19:34:21 Oh, our time is up anyway. 19:34:23 one hor of typiing is hard 19:35:03 indeed, especially sp late in the evening after a day of typing 19:35:20 OK, so lets continue tomorrow! 19:35:32 thanks 19:35:56 Bye bye and thanks for your initiatives 19:36:28 #endmeeting