19:34:12 #startmeeting docs 19:34:12 Meeting started Wed Nov 1 19:34:12 2023 UTC. 19:34:12 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 19:34:12 The chair is pboy. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 19:34:12 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:34:12 The meeting name has been set to 'docs' 19:34:21 The object today is to provide an opportunity to discuss some current issues directly, quasi virtually vis-a-vis 19:34:33 Therefore, let's see who is here. 19:34:43 #topic Roll call 19:34:53 .hi 19:34:54 pboy: pboy 'Peter Boy' 19:34:59 agenda shared last minute 19:35:00 https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/94903 19:35:33 Yeah, thanks! 19:35:55 Well, I post the agenda 19:36:00 #agenda 19:36:14 #info November writing workshop agenda 19:36:25 #info Docs Communication plan 19:36:37 #info Meeting time adjustment 19:36:54 #info How to unify meeting and collaboration tool: IRC or Matrix 19:37:05 so let's start 19:37:14 cool 19:37:24 #topic 1. November writing workshop agenda 19:37:42 The date is set, Nov 16. 19:37:43 i created a team doc to collaborate on agenda 19:38:14 team doc is nice. 19:38:31 who are the members so far? 19:39:48 Etherpad is so convenient. The content as of today is my edit. I shared it on matrix looking for feedback. 19:40:13 will wait until Fridaay and we can post it to Fedocal and social media 19:40:25 OK, yes etherpad is great. 19:40:42 which instance of etherpad do you use? 19:40:44 there is one particcipant I get to know in the Write the Docs Slack chat. 19:40:59 great! 19:41:00 Etherpad in Matrix 19:41:44 Oh, Matrix is a surprise package 19:42:27 Unfortunately, I had to slip Matrix for a while 19:43:08 up to you. My principle is I need to be where people are rather than my convenience or preference. 19:43:08 By the way, you mentioned a docs meeting in Germany? Stuttgart or so? 19:43:41 Nor my convenience nor preference. Just time restrictions. 19:43:56 Nov. 14? 19:43:58 ah that's technical communication conference. The fee is so expensive, but there are hundreads of speakers. The largest technical communication conference 19:44:13 yes more of speech is in German 19:44:37 Well, but expensive sounds bad. 19:44:51 yes, it is sooooo expensive 19:45:22 the most expensive company sponsored conference was 1000 Euro 19:46:49 back to the agenda, please let me know if you have suggestions to add or change 19:46:51 If that had been feasible, I might have taken the time and would have gone. 19:47:16 In retrospect, we need to vary agenda beyond Quick Docs. 19:47:36 the priority is to get people stay 19:48:16 Yes, I think I can spend time again next week. It is dependent on the go / no-go decision tomorrow evening. 19:48:31 anyhow we have December for deepdive to Quick Docs. 19:48:37 Yes indeed, get people stay. 19:48:49 No problem with that. 19:48:55 oki 19:49:06 (QD in December) 19:49:46 if you are okay, I can do December as a main presenter. 19:50:46 another reason we can benefit from sharing agenda in advanec, we can avise people to stay on topic. 19:51:10 I'm OK with that. 19:51:16 i don't like to confuse new people due to off-topic. 19:52:24 i will continue to engage with other communnities via social media 19:53:00 i think we can move onto next 19:53:17 OK, let's move on 19:53:20 i realized we have 1 hour to dicuss all topics 19:53:39 #topic 2. Docs Communication plan 19:54:09 I'm glad that we get support from the comm / podcast team 19:54:36 since I shared my ideas, I have more feasible plan to reach more people and get support from other work groups. 19:54:55 yes, marketing team is supportive. 19:55:12 Podcast is schheduled for December. DO you know? 19:55:40 Yes. wasn't it december 5 or 10? I have in my cal. 19:56:10 early December. Don't remember the date. You are on the list 19:56:21 That's good. 19:56:34 I think, we both should do it. 19:56:39 are you okay with appearing on YouTube? 19:56:44 If ig is possible 19:57:43 I'd say talking about documentation is awfully vague. unless host and us are prepped for discussion topics. 19:58:30 Yes, I think we both should discuss in advance our central message(s) 19:59:38 plus many curveballs from the host :) 20:00:27 yes good ideas to chat with Podcast team 20:01:28 Should we switch to next topic, before you have to leave? 20:01:41 that's an quite important one 20:02:33 i'm okay to continue today. My daugher came home, so my taxi driver duty is not necessary :) 20:02:51 What a luck :-) 20:03:22 just sweet talked to my wife to fetch her from train station 20:04:05 Greetings to your wife 20:04:19 sure 20:04:32 Okay, how will we prepare for the podcast? 20:04:57 Probably we should start mid November to discuss this? 20:05:12 i can reach out to Joseph Eric on Matrix 20:05:23 OK. 20:05:23 yes, i will give them a heads-up 20:06:40 OK, lets go forward 20:06:43 ? 20:06:46 yep 20:07:07 #topic 3. Meeting time adjustment 20:07:25 One thing is to compensate for the time change 20:07:33 already done :) 20:07:34 the other for the time zhones 20:07:54 OK. what is the new time? 20:07:58 ah about alternating meeting time, we need notice period 20:08:39 Yes, and before that we should check which time might be a good choice. 20:09:34 another time that can cater for Asia Pacific is either 12 (noon) UTC or 8 UTC. 20:09:37 Regards the new time, it is 7:30 GMT 20:09:59 That's okay for me. and you? 20:10:29 Both are 'OK for me, with the exception of Thursday. 20:11:16 Is there any experience made by social whether noon or 8 UTFC is better? 20:11:18 sure. how is Docs meeting time on Thursday? 20:12:15 ah Fedora social hour does not work for me. One is my working hours and time to bed 20:12:17 No, Thursday between 10:00 and 12:00 local time are my reha sessions 20:12:27 i see. 20:12:38 OK, so we try ourselves. 20:13:00 I have Server meeting Wednesday 17:00 - 18:00 UTC 20:13:10 so new Docs meetiing 7:30 GMT? 20:13:13 NO, 18:00 - 19:00 UTC 20:13:30 UTC is confusing 20:13:56 OK, GMT. So Docs 19:30 GMT is perfect 20:14:55 How will we promote the alternate time 8:00 am or 12:00 noon GMT? 20:14:58 i see. I mean additional time slot for Asia 20:15:08 8am is better for me 20:15:26 OK 8 am is it. 20:15:44 in the middle of day, I have so many unexpected issues that will stop me anytime. 20:15:59 Agreed, same for me 20:16:13 could we announce the plan in November and start from the new year? Start afresh 20:16:31 Yes, that's a good idea. 20:17:10 i will manage communication in Discussion and social media. I'll ask Marketing team to repost the message 20:17:50 Good, we should make several announcements. 20:18:08 And talk at the podcast about that, too. 20:18:29 you could flag them as action here so clever meetbot can catch 20:18:44 Yes! 20:19:07 use meetbot to our advantage :) 20:19:41 our invisible and inaudible contributor 20:20:02 #action hkl and pboy will start to propagate addional meeting hours suitable for far east time zones. 20:20:20 awesome 20:20:51 regarding meetbot, we should continue with the next item 20:20:59 I mean topic 20:21:14 ja 20:21:28 #topix 4. How to unify meeting and collaboration tool: IRC or Matrix 20:21:54 Well, everyone is moving to Matrix. 20:22:31 So, we might check out next week or week after the current state of the bot on Matrix? 20:22:40 i oversaw some stats in a matrix chat room...still IRC users range about 40% 20:23:22 That's a lot 20:23:39 that's why we can't announce making IRC unofficial. 20:23:59 No,we can't. 20:24:30 But maybe, we can give it a try? after announcing it a week in advance? 20:24:37 the thing is IRC will not die away. I don't mean to simply say 'use one tool'. However, we can use Matrix to our advantage. 20:25:08 tool decision/change at my work is hot topics every time. 20:25:14 Yes, may we alternate? 20:25:43 Yes, it is a hot topic. You have to spent time to adjust your working routine. 20:25:48 with Matrix, I can achieve many things. Yes, that would be good. 20:26:15 could we maybe give some notice period to switch to Matrix? 20:26:38 so Docs team really makes transition right and clear 20:27:12 Yeah, the question is, should we completely switch in the near future? 20:27:18 how about announcing plan for a change as well 20:28:06 once Matriix native meetbot is ready..at the moment, meetbot there is not fully ready 20:28:20 OK, we can do that to. e.g switch on January, together with the alternate times? 20:28:33 that's why many teams still use IRC for meeting. 20:28:45 Yeah, I see. 20:28:47 yes from January 20:29:16 Give me some time to dug deeper into Matrix. 20:29:35 Currently I just know the bare basics. 20:30:02 there is one episode from me. I joined a team (I won't name it) and start to introduce myself in Matrix. Ask questions on installation issue. that was early August when the bridge is 'broken' 20:30:56 I didn't know what bridge means at that timee. I waited for a month for ressponse....radio ssilence...I noticed they don't use Matrix .lol 20:31:29 yes that's why I share my experimentaton with Matrix from time to time. 20:31:43 Yeah lol but a bit frustrating I suppose 20:32:02 i was 'off' literally 20:32:32 I have to rain in the flood of messages. 20:32:44 emails? 20:32:51 I drives me crazy at times. 20:32:57 which email client do you use? 20:33:03 no, messages in Matrix, i.e. posts 20:33:26 I just use the default MacOS mail client. thats fine for me. 20:33:29 ah i only have three channels 20:34:01 Well, I have just 5 or 6, 20:34:19 In IRC there 9 for me. 20:34:26 Docs room is so quiet. 20:34:53 That's good for me, at least at the beginning. 20:35:14 some people ask questions in matrix, so I am attentive to listen in 20:35:37 Oh, I just see the clock. My next appointment is in 10 mins! 20:36:07 It's in-person, some streets away. 20:36:08 i'm happy to hang out there and also use mobile app 'Element' so i can catch up at my break time 20:36:17 oops 20:36:38 well overtime 20:36:57 bye 20:37:07 Yeah, at university. Scientist have sometimes strange date times. 20:37:12 bye! 20:37:21 #endmeeting