16:01:23 #startmeeting Documentation Working Group aka DaWGs 16:01:23 Meeting started Tue Jan 31 16:01:23 2023 UTC. 16:01:23 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:01:23 The chair is samccann. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 16:01:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:23 The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_working_group_aka_dawgs' 16:01:28 o/ 16:01:32 * samccann crosses fingers for zodbot 16:01:39 .ping 16:01:39 pong 16:01:57 get out the chicken bones for zodbot 16:02:01 sigh 16:02:07 it was working yesterday afternoon!!! 16:02:25 either it's napping or gone again 16:02:25 o/ 16:02:36 guess it's manual meeting minutes again today 16:02:37 I've got a meeting at the half-hour, but can stay 20 minutes or so 16:02:47 #chair acozine Don Naro 16:02:47 Current chairs: Don Naro acozine samccann 16:03:01 acozine: anything you want to talk about before you go? 16:03:11 @room Meeting time! Who is here to talk the docs? 16:03:23 nothing specific on my mind, at least, not that I can think of 16:03:27 ok cool 16:03:38 Raise your ascii hand (o/) to say hi or any other way you want to let us know you are here. And Welcome to any new folks! 16:03:55 oh there it is!!! yay zodbot! 16:03:57 acozine: while you're here would you be interested in taking a look at that github action for publishing the package docs? 16:04:02 To any newcomers - again, welcome. We chair all attendees as a way of recognizing your time spent here. And it opens it up for people to add to the meeting minutes with commands like #info or #link (to add a link) 16:04:11 General run of the meeting - We go over action items, give docs updates.. maybe have a topic or two, and go over doctooling updates (all the fun stuff behind the scenes that get us docs.ansible.com!) 16:04:25 briantist: felixfontein around to talk docs today? 16:04:57 Don Naro: sure, where should I look? 16:05:10 acozine: https://github.com/ansible/docsite/actions 16:05:38 Official agenda is https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/678#issuecomment-1402476070 16:05:59 samccann: sorry, I'm not really around 16:06:07 acozine: samccann: was sorting out a group with permissions. I don't know if that's available yet. I can ping you directly with some more info. 16:07:53 Ah sorry. That required an email to some alias or other. Did that yesterday but her permissions haven't been added yet 16:08:10 thanks felixfontein 16:08:20 Don Naro: sounds good, I can see the job definition at least, and it makes sense so far 16:09:06 acozine: ok, hopefully permissions will be sorted soon and you can take a closer look. 16:09:37 #topic Action Item updates 16:10:07 #info closed samccann to summarize feedback here and pass it on to devtools team. 16:10:18 (for their demo combined docsite) 16:10:40 Ends up it's a proof of concept to show they can gather docs from various repos and add them to that site. WIP 16:10:55 #info open -Looking for community maintainer(s) for the sphinx ansible theme 16:10:56 Anyone interested, please let us know :-) 16:11:04 #info closed samccann reinvite zodbot when it goes on holiday 16:11:43 #info solution to zodbot was to open an issue like this one -https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/11103 16:11:56 #info closed samccann to see status of marking some plugins as private - https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/79370 16:12:30 Sadly, it was eventually blocked. But we have some followon discussions to determine how we can approach these things better in the future (including semantic markup etc). 16:12:31 re: zodbot, do we have any idea why/how it stops working? 16:13:02 acozine: they don't know, but we're not the only ones it happens to 16:13:11 #info open oranod to update docs requirements versions before Feb 20 16:13:43 oranod: Do you think there's a pending blocker on updating all the docs requirements because the theme doesn't support sphinx 6? 16:15:05 samccann: I don't think so. I've honestly not got too far into the docs requirements yet. 16:15:13 ok cool 16:15:50 it's useful to have the reminder on the date though. 16:16:16 yep. my nickel would be testing things sooner in case we do have things that need to be fixed etc 16:16:33 what's the equivalent in euro? is it just 5-cents? 16:16:56 yeah 5c 16:17:10 not sure what that was pre-decimal 16:17:11 not as intersting. Needs to be tuppence or something lol 16:17:16 anyway, we digress 16:17:22 #topic Documentation updates 16:17:30 #info Ansible 8 roadmap up for vote - https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/176 16:18:05 #info booleans and ansible-lint -need help asking collection owners to implement these. See https://github.com/ansible-community/community-team/issues/60 for list that still needs issues opened on the collection itself. 16:18:28 basically, it just means opening an issue on a collection to ssay 'hey - how about using booleans compatibile with ansible lint' 16:18:47 but there's 100 collections to get through so if anyone is up for opening some issues, that would be a big help 16:20:10 I can do a couple of those this week 16:20:25 that would be great, thanks! just check off the collection you opened an issue on in that big checklist 16:20:34 will do 16:20:39 and with that, I need to hop off 16:20:44 ok thanks! 16:20:48 thanks everybody, see you back here soon! 16:20:49 enjoy meeting land :-) 16:20:54 heh, thanks 16:21:06 #info Archived 2.6 docs and will put redirects in place next week from the old docs to /latest/ - https://docs.ansible.com/archive/ansible/2.6/ 16:21:21 #info will likely archive the examples repo as it never got any traction - https://github.com/ansible-community/community-examples/ 16:21:29 #topic personas and revamping the docsite 16:21:43 oranod: any specific updates for this week? 16:21:47 or calls for help etc? 16:22:22 I'd still encourage folks to take a look if they haven't yet. personas are here: https://hackmd.io/pZb5w5JFRQW3RJ73n23tlw 16:22:43 and there has been a lot of good discussion here: https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/175 16:22:56 #info feedbck wanted - see the docsite personas at https://hackmd.io/pZb5w5JFRQW3RJ73n23tlw 16:22:56 #info full discussion at https://github.com/ansible-community/community-topics/issues/175 16:23:09 is it up for votes somewhere? 16:23:30 yeah I think we might ask the community if it really needs a vote at this stage or not 16:24:14 andersson007__: and I were talking about it. votes usually indicate a decision and perhaps our motivation for putting it to a vote was more along the lines of getting an "ack" on the personas 16:24:16 vote early... vote often 16:24:25 yeah makes sense 16:24:34 it's been in the bullhorn right? 16:24:46 yep, past two weeks 16:24:59 so we probably need a vote at some point 16:25:04 #info the jinja docsite is available for review / contribution at https://github.com/ansible/jinja-docsite 16:25:34 So that is the 'demo' site right now? For the high-level pages and reader journeys? 16:26:13 correct, yeah. the idea is to identify the personas, map their journeys, and then sort of overlay the docsite on those journeys. 16:26:54 it might be a bit weird to grok all that so hopefully the "demo" site will help put things into context and give folks something to play around with 16:27:15 I'll be curious to hear if people hate it or not 16:27:40 I tried to keep things simple and go with something that the community would be comfortable with, python and jinja 16:27:56 something i'm unclear about - what do we NEED to vote on (aka what needs Steering Committee approval)? 16:28:25 like we didn't vote on revamping the user guides. lordy knows we had no way to vote when we dumped the current pages up there etc 16:28:40 did we vote on the ecosystem pages? 16:28:44 no we didn't 16:30:42 yeah so that's something we should decide... what if anything here needs an actual vote. It's not like some other things where we are changing how people contribute or features within the tools etc 16:30:55 so I may have gotten vote-crazy suggesting we needed it. Dunno 16:31:06 discussion and visibility for sure, which you're doing already 16:31:51 yeah I thought we could discuss whether those personas actually need a vote tomorrow. after talking with andersson007__ I'm not so sure. 16:33:34 yeah I agree.. seems overkill to vote. my vote (teehee) is to just keep the discussions open and the demos etc in the bullhorn etc and act on feedback as needed 16:34:03 #topic Open Floor 16:34:11 Anything else folks want to discuss about docs today? 16:37:24 ok seems like that's a wrap then! 16:37:27 #endmeeting