#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:01:22

!startmeeting ELN SIG 24 Apr '25

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:01:24

Meeting started at 2025-04-24 19:01:22 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:01:24

The Meeting name is 'ELN SIG 24 Apr '25'

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:01:33

!meetingname eln

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:01:33

The Meeting Name is now eln

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:01:41

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:01:42

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:01:44

!topic Init process

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:02:25

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:02:26

Troy Dawson (tdawson)

<@elguero:fedora.im>

19:03:32

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:03:33

None (elguero)

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:03:36

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:03:37

Stephen Gallagher (sgallagh) - he / him / his

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:03:53

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:03:54

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:04:03

welcome Michael L. Young, do you want to introduce yourself?

<@elguero:fedora.im>

19:06:01

Thank you yselkowitz . I have been attending the last few meetings. Interested in helping out but getting a feel for things too.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:06:31

welcome

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:06:36

let's get started

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:06:41

!topic Old business

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:06:55

oops

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:07:00

!topic New business

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:07:22

I'm gone for two weeks and forgot how to run a meeting 🤦‍♂️

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:07:44

no new issues in the tracker

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:08:20

there were a bunch of unwanted deps that crept in over the long weekend, but the last of those should be gone by tomorrow

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:08:35

anything else that I may have missed while out?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:09:42

i don't think so

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:10:05

!topic Old business

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:10:12

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/192

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:10:33

the next step was to get the backgrounds used by default, any updates on that?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:11:32

I just now realized that you probrubly meant for me to do that, but at the time, I was thinking someone else was going to do it.

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:11:38

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:11:40

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:12:05

So, in short, no. I wasn't even thinking about it.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:12:50

*somebody* needs to do it, and we'll need to give adamw a heads-up that needles will change when it lands

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:13:18

or at least I presume they will

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:20

I can do it, unless someone else wants to.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:13:57

!action Troy to work on getting the backgrounds used by default

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:14:15

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/202

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:15:08

!info `openssl-devel-engine` deps have been removed from ELN proper

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:15:20

!info afaics there are 3 Extras packages which still BR, two have PRs pending

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:15:58

the last is fsverify-utils, which I mentioned in chat earlier today, as part of Meta's hyperscale workload

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:16:42

!action Davide to verify the necessity of fsverify-utils

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:16:54

(based on chat in channel)

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:17:06

Yep will follow up on this

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:17:44

great, once that's out, I'll propose completely disabling -engine from ELN builds

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:17:52

I plan to add a package to the meta workload but it's tiny, and has no deps :)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:18:51

whatever you need, it just didn't seem like you were actually using that one, and it needs porting for `OPENSSL_NO_ENGINE`

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:19:42

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/218

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:19:47

yeah fsverity is ... kind of in limbo, people want it in theory but no one has the energy to push it forward :)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:20:53

just got to find some way to connect to AI 😁

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:22:19

anyway, the last two F42FTBFS in the ELN pkg set finally have PRs now

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:22:25

I mean, that works for hardware enablement :P

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:22:36

too bad we're not in the fintech business anymore or jsutifying fsverity might be easier

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:23:06

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/219

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:23:49

the last F42FTBFS in ELN Extras is packetdrill, https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/packetdrill/pull-request/1 is a partial fix but there is still an (unrelated) test error iirc

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:23:58

there used to be a bank called Meta :P https://www.irelandbeforeyoudie.com/best-irish-bands/

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:24:00

argh

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:24:11

there used to be a bank called Meta :P https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathward

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:24:51

Davide Cavalca guess whose package this is? 😁

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:25:21

the scratch build still seems to fail

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:25:23

ah partial fix

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:25:31

Yeah I'm aware. We do need that one, we'll get it sorted out

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:25:53

ok as long as you're aware

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:26:41

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/227

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:26:54

sounds like you discussed this last time

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:27:35

Yep

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:27:36

I was thinking to take a wait-and-see approach wrt forgejo migration

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:27:53

yeah moving twice does not seem worth it

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:28:12

is there a timeframe yet for forgejo?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:28:15

though yeah the minimization name is a bit too generic, a bit surprised it was even available

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:28:38

well it's been quite a while

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:31:13

I'm ok waiting for longer. I don't know about others, but I've already got everything setup pointing to the minimization area when I need to make changes.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:33:30

!idea merging of the CR repos (from minimization org) into fedora-eln org can wait at least until more details are forthcoming wrt possible forgejo migration, but can be revisited if urgent need arises

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:33:42

does that sum it up?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:34:14

Yep, it does for me.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:34:31

lgtm

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:34:35

let's vote!

<@sgallagh:fedora.im>

19:34:59

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:35:11

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:36:05

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:36:16

+1 ?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:36:49

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:37:07

!agreed (+5, -0, 0) merging of the CR repos (from minimization org) into fedora-eln org can wait at least until more details are forthcoming wrt possible forgejo migration, but can be revisited if urgent need arises

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:38:29

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln/issues/239

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:39:20

no response yet from upstream afaik, besides for the python hack which people seemed to think would be slow

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:39:33

otoh nobody has proposed a better solution

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:41:09

I think there's a saying in english about perfect being the enemy of the good...?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:41:45

Yep ... I believe Stephen has said that many times.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:42:27

I'm getting worried about falling further behind rawhide wrt cloud-init, particularly given the other changes in 25.1 (e.g. systemd units changes)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:44:23

!action Yaakov to ping the maintainer

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:45:16

there's also been a few docs PRs recently:

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:45:19

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln-docs/pull/54

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:45:25

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln-docs/pull/56

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:45:28

!link https://github.com/fedora-eln/eln-docs/pull/57

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:46:30

is anyone familiar with vale?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:47:43

not I

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:48:54

!action Yaakov to follow up with PR author

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:49:06

!topic Next meeting

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:49:31

no idea

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:49:33

next meeting would be Thursday 01 May, which may be a public holiday for some?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:49:47

ah, is it a holiday in Canada?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:50:14

Davide Cavalca: and I have a team event that day and likely will be having lunch / traveling at this hour

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:50:19

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:50:26

I have some familiarity with Vale...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:50:54

I'm fine next week.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:51:24

any interest in reviewing that PR? you don't need to make the final say on it but I'd be starting from scratch

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:51:24

i'm also good next week

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:51:49

yea i will put it on my list... at a glance it seems crazy to duplicate all the fixtures.. but .. i will review 😉

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:52:52

it does seem like an awfully large patch just to have some testing, I'm wondering if that `.vale` directory actually belongs in version control? but again I know nothing about vale.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:53:58

!info next meeting will be on 01 May 15:00 EDT

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:54:57

don't skip your lunch over it though!

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:55:06

!topic Open floor

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:55:20

anything else to discuss today?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:55:36

Nothing from me

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:58:06

seeing none, thank you all for joining today, we'll see around in chat or at the next meeting

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:58:08

nor I

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:58:18

thanks @yselkowitz !

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

19:58:19

!endmeeting