21:00:03 #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2013-03-13 21:00:03 Meeting started Wed Mar 13 21:00:03 2013 UTC. The chair is sesivany. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:06 #meetingname emea ambassadors 21:00:06 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors' 21:00:13 #topic Roll call 21:00:19 .fas eischmann 21:00:19 .fas dimitrisglaros 21:00:19 sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' 21:00:22 dglaros: dimitrisglaros 'Dimitris Glaros' 21:00:23 .fas geleimate 21:00:25 geleimate: geleimate 'Máté Gelei' 21:00:28 * shaiton Kévin Raymond 21:00:40 .fas cmpahar 21:00:41 cmpahar: cmpahar 'Christos Bacharakis' 21:00:55 .fas giallu 21:00:55 giallu: giallu 'Gianluca Sforna' 21:00:57 .fas zoltsnh721 21:00:58 zoltanh7211: 'zoltsnh721' Not Found! 21:01:05 :) 21:01:17 .fas mailga 21:01:17 .fas robyduck 21:01:17 mailga: mailga 'Gabriele Trombini' 21:01:20 robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' 21:01:26 .fas zoltanh721 21:01:27 zoltanh7211: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' 21:01:41 nice attendance tonight 21:01:46 welcome everyone 21:01:51 hi everybody 21:01:58 hi @ all 21:02:02 hey there 21:02:08 hello guys! 21:02:15 let's wait a few more minutes for latecomers. 21:02:32 Hi guys 21:02:40 .fas jamielinux 21:02:41 jamielinux: jamielinux 'Jamie Nguyen' 21:02:56 .fas gnokii 21:02:57 gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' 21:03:21 good evening everyone 21:03:55 ok, let's start, we've got a lot to do today. 21:04:02 #topic Announcements 21:04:13 anyone got an announcement? 21:04:59 I've got one... 21:05:27 The Fedora 19 test day season start tomorrow. 21:05:33 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_19_test_days 21:06:08 right 21:06:13 IMHO test days are great opportunity for broader community to contribute. 21:06:28 and we as ambassadors should promote it in our local communities. 21:07:11 .fas netSys 21:07:11 netSys: drnetsys 'Donnie Roberson' - netsysdeb 'Debashis' - netsys 'Alvaro Castillo' 21:07:15 hi 21:07:31 #info The Fedora 19 test day season starts tomorrow. Promote F19 test days in your local communities. It's a great opportunity for broader community to help improve Fedora. 21:07:38 netSys: welcome 21:07:39 .fas sebastianmaki 21:07:40 NeatBasis: sebastianmaki 'Sebastian Mäki' 21:08:05 NeatBasis: welcome! 21:08:07 thank you sesivany 21:08:26 welcome too 21:08:34 thanks 21:09:16 NeatBasis is a future ambassador from Finland, hopefully we'll have an active ambassador for the original country of Linux in him ;-) 21:09:33 that's good! 21:09:47 I'd say it's badly needed :) 21:10:06 ok, any other announcements? 21:10:31 if not, let's move on... 21:10:48 NeatBasis: Welcome! I hope make yourself at home 21:11:14 btw our budget for FY14 hasnt been confirmed yet :-/ 21:11:20 netSys I'll try 21:11:26 Pfff 21:11:29 so we're sticking with the draft for now. 21:12:01 I think our budget was very realistic, so I don't expect any significant corrections. 21:12:06 moi NeatBasis 21:12:15 #topic Requests 21:12:27 * sesivany is checking the trac... 21:12:39 morjens robyduck 21:12:57 gnokii: did you get an additional approval from rbergeron or rsuehle? 21:13:04 no 21:13:24 ok, let's start with this. 21:13:46 tatica tried to speak with Robyn, but didnt get her, she spoke with lh instead but no outcome since then 21:14:21 last we approved the ticket #222 with the condition that it needs to be approved by rbergeron too, because we didn't know if we'd have money for that. 21:14:45 the problem is that rbergeron hasnt responded since then and it's getting urgent. 21:15:18 I'm proposing to approve it. It's not such a big amount of money and I'd like to let it happen. They're all valuable contributors. 21:15:32 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/222 21:15:42 just to let you know what I'm talking about. 21:16:01 +1 21:16:19 +1 21:16:24 +1 21:16:27 +1 21:16:38 +1 21:16:42 +1 21:16:53 +1 21:17:06 +1 21:17:10 gnokii, apologies that no data has been found for you. let me raise the flag again. 21:17:14 Agree too 21:17:17 and +1 on approving fwiw 21:17:27 we've reached the quorum, thank you for your votes. 21:17:50 #link the ticket #222 is approved with no additional condition 21:18:30 lh no problem 21:18:39 gnokii: go ahead and book the apartment if you haven't done it yet. 21:19:04 I have already booked it, that one of the things why I am bancrupt now ;) 21:19:41 ok, now we have two tickets related to Chemnitz Linux Tage... 21:19:51 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/223 21:20:03 I approved this one on peer review basis. 21:20:13 +1 21:20:39 +1 21:20:45 a 3D printer will be a big attraction and mhroncok asked only to cover gasoline. 21:20:47 +1 21:20:52 +1 21:20:59 +1 21:21:12 +1 21:21:18 +1 21:21:19 +1 21:21:22 * giallu loves 3d printers, wants to build one 21:21:23 .fas delhage 21:21:24 delhage: delhage 'Lars Delhage' 21:21:29 yes he will sleep in the gym as clt offer that for free for speaker/booth personal 21:21:31 * delhage missed it again... 21:21:43 #info the ticket #223 was approved on the peer-review basis and again reapproved at the regional meeting. 21:22:24 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/225 21:22:51 this is to cover Fabian Affolter's trip to CLT. 21:23:21 ony trip or trip+accommodation? 21:23:36 just to put the budget context to the decision making: 21:23:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget#Events 21:23:52 we have $2500 in the budget for CLT. 21:24:01 it should all come from this amount. 21:24:44 gnokii: how many nights is CLT? 21:25:03 because Fabian doesn't specify how many nights, just a cost per night. 21:25:07 should be fr-sa and sa to sun so 2 21:25:31 ! 21:25:49 netSys: speak up 21:26:25 the ticket is €211 in total then 21:26:36 Seeing #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget#Events , At November of 2012 does not show my travel to LinuxCon and partner hotel room too 21:26:54 and the accommodation will be shared with cwickert 21:27:01 or it's does not has nothing to do 21:27:39 netSys: yes, the thing is that we didn't track all costs properly in the last fiscal year, it was just training for this year. 21:28:31 So who agrees with €211 for Fabian and Christoph for CLT? 21:28:35 +1 21:28:40 +1 21:28:40 +1 21:28:43 +1 21:28:43 oh ok, so should add these cost there in the webpage? 21:28:44 +1 21:28:45 +1 21:28:45 +1 21:28:48 +1 21:28:55 +1 21:29:02 +1 21:29:03 netSys: you can, definitely 21:29:03 +1 21:29:03 * giallu wonders what about the other 2300 21:29:23 giallu fedora sponsors the event 21:29:33 gnokii, ok 21:29:50 giallu: there are other tickets related to that. We sponsor the event, kital asked for $500 as event owner already. 21:30:04 http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2013/info/sponsoren/index?cookielang=en 21:30:24 and if there is anything left we can use it for unplanned expenses like LGM. 21:30:27 ok, it was just to have a rough idea if we're near the estimation 21:31:35 #info the ticket #225 is approved 21:32:04 giallu just added another ticket :) 21:32:12 :) 21:32:38 almost forgot it 21:32:38 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/226 21:33:01 it's €32 for shipping stuff to release parties. 21:33:05 no biggy 21:33:09 I'm +1 21:33:09 yeah 21:33:12 +1 21:33:18 +1 21:33:19 +1 21:33:27 +1 21:33:30 +1 21:33:33 +1 21:33:38 +1 21:33:39 +1 21:33:57 #info the ticket #226 is approved 21:34:14 giallu: assign it to jsimon to get reimbursed. 21:34:34 ok thanks 21:34:35 ok, let's move on, time flies. 21:34:44 #topic Ambassadors Schedule 21:35:14 #link http://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-19/f-19-ambassadors-tasks.html 21:35:31 I sat down with jreznik and we made a few adjustments to it. 21:35:39 because the schedule was very outdated. 21:36:02 I didn't have a clue what some milestones meant :) 21:36:55 anyway, we're reaching the time when we should think about swag. 21:37:07 which is another topic, so let's switch to it... 21:37:13 #topic SWAG 21:37:49 we did mugs and caps in the last release cycle and I hope you like them. 21:37:59 everyone liked them 21:38:03 yeah +1 21:38:04 we should make something new this time, too. 21:38:04 * cmpahar were awesome! 21:38:10 AFAICT :) 21:38:52 we have $5000 for swag in the fiscal year, DVDs are not included. 21:39:17 * cmpahar more USB stick could be nice! 21:39:24 Have you considered balloons? 21:39:25 sesivany: do we have an inventory what we have left? 21:39:27 sesivany, tshirts? 21:39:42 yes cmpahar 21:39:45 gnokii, in the wiki 21:39:57 it's the same as last time, we encourage you to go ahead, look around, find a vendor, file a ticket and if others are ok with your plan, let's make swag! 21:40:09 * robyduck has to update his swags in the inventory 21:40:13 I'd like to have pens and balloons, simple contributor tshirts 21:40:26 gnokii: we still have enough mugs and caps, but otherwise I'm low on everything. 21:40:50 sesivany: so we should produce definitly stickers or? 21:40:58 what about keychain? 21:41:03 And stickers 21:41:14 Yes 21:41:16 as I said, I have no problem to produce t-shirt, I've got a good vendor for that, but we have to come up with design. 21:41:17 and one or two Linksys to do release parties, it's useful for upgrade the system people are installed new fedora. Using YUM plugin localmirrors for that 21:41:46 sesivany, I had this badge at the last Europython (ask Tyler) 21:42:07 with a quote like: Keep calm and install Fedora 21:42:15 cmpahar: we've got Fedora usb stickers in our office. The problem is that they are still quite expensive compared to dvds, currently 10x more expensive. 21:42:29 security tokens would be really cool if they were cheap enough 21:42:40 I'd love it on a tshirt :) 21:42:44 sesivany, compared to T-shirts, mugs and hats?! 21:43:12 cmpahar: shirt costs half of a stick 21:43:29 I think we need an smaller sheet of spins and project stickers 21:43:33 so lets make A LOT of different tshirts! 21:43:35 cmpahar: if you want to have an usb stick as something special, it's ok, to replace dvds with it, it's too expensive still. 21:44:04 sesivany, I want usb sticks as something special, we are talking about swag and i consider them as a swag 21:44:22 what about making a wiki page where we will gather all ideas and above all concrete solutions because talk is cheap, we all know that :) 21:44:48 Sesivany what if we make instead of usb to sd cards? 21:44:48 As long as you don't make the usb-sticks like the one's paypal hands 21:44:58 gnokii, may I bribe you into doing the design I have in mind? :) 21:45:02 They're annoyingly big 21:45:11 giallu: sure of course 21:45:31 will catch you later then 21:45:32 thanks 21:45:35 anyone willing to create the wiki page and give it some structure? Others then can fill it with ideas and solutions? 21:45:36 np 21:45:52 i can 21:46:09 cmpahar: ok, great! thanks a lot! 21:46:22 when it's ready, just send a link to ambassadors mailing list 21:46:30 just put an action item :D 21:46:31 thanks 21:46:47 #action cmpahar to create a wiki page to gather swag ideas and solutions 21:48:01 ok, let's move to the next topic.... 21:48:11 #topic Events 21:48:27 * sesivany is checking the list of events... 21:50:19 ! 21:50:24 it's somhow messed up... 21:50:35 * jamielinux apologises but has to go.. goodnight all 21:50:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events?rd=FedoraEvents#FY14_Q1_.28March_2013_-_May_2013.29_2 21:50:41 good night jamielinux 21:51:01 jamielinux: thank you for coming, good night! 21:51:20 good nigh 21:51:31 someone put our upcoming events to the APAC section... 21:52:03 damn we have to redo definitly that page, its really hard to work with 21:52:19 anyway, there is only Chemnitz Linux Tage coming... 21:52:29 ! 21:52:31 gnokii: volunteers wanted ;) 21:52:35 mailga: yes? 21:52:43 lugano will be moved 21:52:48 We should have that calendar from pingiu 21:52:55 for the release 19. 21:52:58 eof 21:53:19 mailga: ok, good to know. 21:53:35 and i will update the wiki. 21:53:44 there is going to be one more release party in Presov, Slovakia, next week. 21:54:19 and that's it which brings me to the contest... 21:54:29 I would like doing Release party at public place such as high schools or public libary but, when F19 will be release does not any public sites opened.... I'm looking for private place to do it, or when schools comes back into September... 21:54:45 There doesn't seem to be many happenings happening in Finland 21:54:49 Pingou calendar web solution could mean to have nice event page instead of this wiki :-S 21:55:26 zoltanh7211: ok, hopefully it's going to be ready soon. 21:55:37 ok, let's focus on the contest... 21:56:14 There is Devaamo in June 15-16 http://summit.devaamo.fi/ 21:56:46 .fas fedora_richie 21:56:46 fedora_richie: richardvj11 'Richard Vijay' 21:57:48 there were several really nice release parties: the ones in Italy, in Hungary, Greece as usually, and we were surprised by the one in Moscow, it's really hard to pick one. 21:58:46 * gnokii bringing the dices 21:58:51 but I'd like to propose one and that's the release party in Napoli. It was organized by a new guy, they attracted over 100 people, I loved their report. What do you think about that? Do you think it'd be a good winner? 21:59:56 no opinions? :) 22:00:00 ehm... 22:00:15 Randomize 22:00:16 * robyduck can't answer.... 22:00:50 ! 22:00:51 * cmpahar cant vote, organized Greece :P 22:01:01 mailga: speak up 22:01:36 I think that a new guy must be encouraged... 22:01:41 but I'm Italian. 22:01:46 eof 22:01:52 +1 to that 22:01:59 +1 22:02:01 * sesivany didn't consider the one in Brno because it was backed by Red Hat, so kinda cheating :D 22:03:03 +1 and some notes on how to get a 100+ release party would be cool 22:03:26 +1 22:03:29 I'm +1 for Napoli, but I liked the tecnical organisation of the hungarian guys. It would be nice to have all the Release Parties in streaming 22:03:43 anyone has a counter-proposal? I'd like to hear your opinions, I don't want to pose my decisions on you, I just thought it was necessary to propose something to move forward. 22:03:46 streaming +1 22:03:48 in the future 22:04:21 sesivany: can u write a summary about the candidates or do we have to decide that today? 22:04:27 streaming is not always easy :) 22:04:28 NeatBasis, key was good contacts with the university, they managed to grab a good place at a good tim 22:05:38 streaming is surpsisingly easy 22:05:50 gnokii: do we have to spend so much time on it? I mean it's not a big deal, just picking one release party and award the organizers. I think all release parties are worth awarding. 22:06:03 Cmpahar: we used free solution through an low bandwith wifi worked well 22:06:11 so next time we'll come up with a diffent contest. 22:06:17 zoltanh7211, can you blogpost on that please? 22:06:32 network access should be present and almost any modern android device with a camera will do 22:06:37 sesivany: simple solution spend more money, give it to napoli, hungary and moscow ;) 22:06:39 cmpahar: +1 22:06:55 +1 to gnokii :) 22:06:55 We are also found app that can provide webinar like dtream 22:06:57 Naples is a distant place for us, and having 100+ people there was awesome. 22:07:03 gnokii, +1 22:07:05 +1 22:07:41 * robyduck likes gnokii's idea 22:07:43 how much is there to spend? 22:08:00 or how does this work? 22:08:06 spending money is so easy... :-) ok then, but FAmSCo gave us only €80, the additional €160 comes from our budget. 22:08:14 Cmpahar: yes, and mail the details, but gergely knows more 22:08:41 sesivany: for my side I am willing to do that, they had all three different good achievements 22:08:57 if you book it they will pay? 22:09:11 sesivany: do you want us to approve the extra budget now? ^^ 22:09:29 yes, let's do it. 22:09:49 additional €160 for release events: 22:09:52 +1 22:09:55 +1 22:09:56 +1 22:09:58 +1 22:10:00 +1 22:10:00 +1 22:10:00 +1 22:10:02 +1 22:10:12 +1 22:10:21 +1 22:11:04 +1 22:11:49 +1 22:12:03 #info Three F18 release parties awarded: Naples, Budapest, Moscow. Their organizers get €80 each to have a nice dinner. €80 comes from FAmSCo, €160 from our regional budget. 22:13:09 zoltanh7211: when you have a receipt, just file a ticket, attach it, link to this meeting and assign it to jsimon. 22:15:10 Sesivany we have i, ok thx 22:15:15 NeatBasis: to your question: Fedora can support you to organize a release party, but it's not such big money, usually up to €200 since we have many of them, but we can definitely support you by sending you media, swag,... 22:16:56 * netSys ll back 22:17:02 I've got a proposal for F19 release parties. Instead of money for dinner for just a few release parties, what about giving every organizer a Fedora hoodie as appreciation for organizing it? 22:17:48 sesivany, +1 22:17:50 sesivany, +1 22:17:56 sesivany: then u can also make a special shirt only for that release 22:18:09 sesivany, do we have fedora hoodies? 22:18:32 I would like to buy one 22:18:37 fedora kilt ? ;) 22:18:45 :D 22:18:50 Let it be a set - a cap a shirt and a hoodie 22:18:50 cmpahar: no, we'd have to make them, but I've been thinking about them for a while and this would be a good criteria how to give them away. 22:18:50 "I organized a Fedora release party, and all I got was this lousy tshirt" :D 22:19:08 +1 to giallu 22:19:09 giallu: might be a good idea, actually :D 22:19:14 giallu: indeed 22:19:15 Kilt =D 22:19:36 sesivany, maybe a Fedora hoodie for every ambassador as the polo t-shirt 22:19:44 provided in a low price?! 22:20:06 * giallu has only good ideas, just never able to make them happen :) 22:20:14 cmpahar: first we have to produce the polo shirts :-( 22:20:34 not the prize is important guys, the quality mit fit our needs 22:20:49 s/mit/must 22:21:15 #topic Openfloor 22:21:20 GeroldKa, sesivany the point is that the hoodie NOT to be available only for a few people in Fedora. 22:21:31 let's discuss it in open floor. 22:21:35 hehe sesivany we had some things to events 22:21:56 gnokii: what things? 22:22:09 I had open tasks from last meeting 22:22:31 open tasks ? 22:22:39 gnokii: really? i didn't find any action items. 22:22:54 yes u made me an action to do linuxwochen vienna page 22:23:49 gnokii: weird, it's not in the meeting minutes, but anyway is it done? 22:24:03 its done, still need support with that event 22:24:50 gnokii: when is a deadline for CfP? 22:24:53 great gnokii: 22:24:55 1st april 22:25:15 gnokii: what support do you need? 22:26:00 booth personal, I submitted 3 workshops and 2 talks, so I will be defintly on saturday more in lecture room as on the booth 22:26:47 zoltanh7211: is anyone from Hungary coming and willing to help gnokii? 22:26:56 Gnokii we are coming surely, 22:27:04 I can come for one day and help at the booth. 22:27:24 I and rgeri77 22:27:41 I can rent a apartment again, but that makes sense from 4 ppl onwards 22:27:57 yes thst would be nice to have hiring desk too 22:29:56 gnokii: we can come in the evening the day because if you need people for the apartment. 22:31:07 but let's discuss this only among people who are involved. 22:31:09 my problem is I have to arrive on may 1st as it needs 8hrs train ride and go back sunday as I will not come home directly after event 22:31:40 it's getting late and I don't want to hold others. 22:31:57 ok 22:32:40 Lets mail around the planning with participants 22:32:40 anything else to say? otherwise I'll end the meeting. 22:32:52 Eof 22:33:13 thank you, everyone, for coming tonight! 22:33:14 zoltanh7211: yes but we have to do it soon as I will be soon out of office until this event 22:33:20 \0 22:33:37 meet you in two weeks! 22:33:41 tnx, see you next time 22:33:42 thank you sesivany 22:33:52 Thx everyone 22:33:56 bye.. good night 22:33:59 :) cheers 22:34:03 good night everyone! 22:34:04 good night! 22:34:05 thanks and it was nice to meet you all 22:34:08 good night 22:34:21 #endmeeting