20:00:03 #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2013-09-11 20:00:03 Meeting started Wed Sep 11 20:00:03 2013 UTC. The chair is sesivany. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:05 #meetingname emea ambassadors 20:00:05 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors' 20:00:13 #topic Roll call 20:00:26 .fas eischmann 20:00:27 sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' 20:00:33 .fas mailga 20:00:34 mailga: mailga 'Gabriele Trombini' 20:00:35 .fas gnokii 20:00:36 gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' 20:00:39 .hellomynameis puiterwijk 20:00:41 puiterwijk: puiterwijk 'Patrick Uiterwijk' 20:02:35 .fasi geroldka 20:02:41 .fas geroldka 20:02:42 GeroldKa: geroldka 'Gerold Kassube' 20:02:49 .fas jfarcher 20:02:50 jonar: jfarcher 'Jonathan Archer' 20:03:17 affix, bookwar, cwickert: up for the meeting? 20:03:30 yo 20:03:36 .fas giallu 20:03:37 giallu: giallu 'Gianluca Sforna' 20:03:58 .fas bookwar 20:03:59 bookwar: bookwar '' 20:04:20 .fas cwickert 20:04:21 cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' 20:04:27 .fas robyduck 20:04:29 robyduck: robyduck 'Robert Mayr' 20:04:35 sesivany: please no... I am working for 11,5 hourse without a break... I will be lurking but don't expect too much from me 20:04:50 cwickert: ok, no problem. 20:05:07 * cwickert needs a beer 20:05:26 cwickert: if you're working on MyKolab, it's an acceptable excuse ;-) 20:05:39 cwickert definitely does need a beer! 20:06:01 sesivany: it is, we had a strange Heisenbug that only affected WP8 phones 20:06:01 sesivany: it's midnight in Moscow, so don't expect me to stay till the end, i am not sure i can make it ) 20:06:14 and that fixed itself, otherwise it would not be a Heisenbug 20:06:21 all hail the Heisenbug! 20:06:37 indeed 20:06:51 cwickert: heisenbugs on the WP8 platform are also acceptable :) 20:06:52 I hope Fedora 20 could fix its blockers by itself :) 20:06:58 cwickert: Heisenbugs are the coolest ) 20:07:08 ok, let's start with announcements... 20:07:13 #topic Announcements 20:07:44 as cwickert already mentioned F20 has been named Heisenbug. 20:07:58 +1 20:08:00 #info F20 release name is Heisenbug 20:08:28 I will also don't stay till the end, I have to get up in 7 h again and I need my beauty sleep :-/ 20:09:00 GeroldKa: ok, we'll get to events right after announcements. 20:09:08 so that we can discuss EMEA FAD 20:09:39 I wrote a little summary of our budget situation after the second quarter.... 20:09:56 #link http://eischmann.wordpress.com/2013/09/06/fedora-emea-budget-q2/ - summary of the EMEA budget after Q2 20:10:26 any other announcements? 20:11:07 if not, let's discuss the FAD... 20:11:19 #topic EMEA FAD 20:11:36 let's give it a separate topic 'cause it's important. 20:12:06 GeroldKa: the venue is available on Deb 7-8? 20:12:18 yes it is 20:12:22 I reserved so far 20:12:24 vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage; das einzige Wochenende, welches ich Ihnen 20:12:25 anbieten kann ist: 06.-08.12.2013 20:12:25 mit 2 Einzelzimmern DU/WC, 2 Doppelzimmer DU/EtagenWC + 5 Doppelzimmer 20:12:25 DU/WC 20:12:35 in english (sorry for german posting) 20:12:48 2 single rooms with shower and toilett 20:13:14 am I late :D ? 20:13:14 2 double with toilet and shower on the floor and 5 double with shower and toilet 20:13:29 oops sorry plz continue :) 20:13:29 ehhh 20:13:41 2 single with shower and toilet at the beginning 20:14:03 arrival dec. 6th, departure sunday 8th 20:14:06 GeroldKa: Kital will only come if he gets a single room 20:14:15 and I think gnokii should have a single, too 20:14:28 or we find somebody who snores louder than him ;) 20:14:29 to be honest, why? 20:14:37 lol 20:14:47 cwickert: mhroncok does snore a lot too :) 20:14:51 woot 20:14:55 it's just easy go to bed before him 20:14:56 GeroldKa: kital said so, no kidding, look on the wiki page 20:15:17 it's a question of budget 20:15:19 * cwickert shares a room with heffer 20:15:46 GeroldKa: so the rooms are for 14 people in total? 20:15:57 no, 16... 20:16:02 damn math 20:16:08 I think puiterwijk would like to come, too 20:16:17 on the other hand... some people might drop out 20:16:22 as every year... 20:16:24 we have 16 beds reserved 20:16:27 yeah, I would like to come 20:16:44 GeroldKa: do you know the total price? 20:16:49 and if we need one or max two add. beds, we will also find a solution 20:16:55 not yet 20:16:56 just to start the budget 20:17:03 but I will calculate it tomorrow 20:17:22 GeroldKa, can we add more? is there a deadline? (I am waiting for some info about school days before committing to join FAD) 20:17:26 I wroute rsuehle and rbergeron two days ago how much money we could get for the event, no answer yet. 20:17:47 as I thought :-( 20:19:10 we already have around 15 ppl, some might drop out, but there are more to come, it might be expensive to bring them all there, so I'd like to know how much funding we can get before we promise people they can come. 20:19:46 GeroldKa, cwickert: should we create a ticket in fudcon-planning? or how are we going to force them to give us a figure? 20:19:46 are there any times scheduled for arrival/departure? (or adviced times?) 20:19:57 I just try to calculate short the accomodation 20:20:23 puiterwijk: arrival: Friday any time, departure: Sunday afternoon 20:20:46 sesivany: thanks. checking flight options. I'd say count on me 20:20:50 puiterwijk: the FAD itself is all Saturday and Sunday morning. 20:20:54 (if it's no problem off course) 20:22:17 homework for everyone: please estimate your travel budget. Once we create a ticket, add it there, so that we can get the total budget. 20:23:13 ok, accomodation Hotel plus meeting room with flipchart and beamer and at least one dinner is approx EUR 2000 20:23:30 for the offered rooms (in the castle) 20:24:17 that's approx. $27000 20:24:22 eh... 20:24:27 $2700 20:24:28 uuups 20:24:32 *g* 20:24:38 * giallu se he could book easyjet for 60 20:24:48 but we also take the USD 27'000 20:24:49 60 eur that is 20:25:07 yupp, easyjet its 70€ 20:25:21 easyjet is 53 for me 20:25:27 round trip ... 20:25:31 €53,- roundtrip 20:25:38 so my suggestion was always ... 20:25:42 #info if you want to attend EMEA FAD, add yourself to the list on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Rheinfelden_2013 20:25:50 pay room and dinner for the attendees and how they come .... 20:25:56 that's their own duty 20:26:22 fair enough for everyone 20:26:26 #action all who are attending EMEA FAD, estimate your travel budget. Once we create a ticket, add it there. 20:27:01 it will probably cost me more in gasoline and parking... 20:27:18 absolutly 20:27:34 this is why Rheinfelden is also so smart to make it happen 20:27:39 how about bus/train? is that an option? 20:27:58 GeroldKa: what's the address of the site? 20:28:01 puiterwijk: Basel has many train connections to other countries. 20:28:16 which site? 20:28:18 puiterwijk: I came by bus last year. 20:28:23 but not in the night ;) 20:28:30 GeroldKa: where we stay and/or have the FAD 20:29:00 gnokii: there is a night train from Prague to Basel. I and Miro might take that one. 20:29:07 * thunderbirdtr really wish that 27k not double zero.. 20:29:07 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Rheinfelden_2013 20:30:02 puiterwijk, basically. it is the same place. Just get there and you will be fine 20:30:41 giallu: exactly 20:30:50 jonar: do you know about anyone from the UK who'd like to come? 20:30:59 giallu: "the same place"? 20:31:03 Tristan? 20:31:08 giallu: ah, I see. but where is "the same place"? ;) 20:31:12 But I haven't asked him 20:31:20 sesivany: jamielinux? 20:31:31 puiterwijk: it's all in the castle 20:31:55 puiterwijk: jamielinux can't come. He is a doctor now and his vacation is very limited. 20:31:57 sesivany, not from the UK ambassadors, haven't seen any more responses to the email you sent. 20:32:17 sesivany: ah, okay. was just giving ideas 20:32:51 really disappointed I can't make it, but I guess I have a reasonable enough excuse 20:32:55 jonar: too bad, the UK is important enough to be represented there. 20:32:57 but one thing must also be clear ... 20:33:13 I can't finance the amount of the hotel bill 20:33:17 I totally agree, which is why it would be great to have a hangout or something similar 20:33:22 and I won't do it by my own 20:33:36 BUT the hotel also accept credit card 20:34:06 GeroldKa: do we have to pay it in advance or upon arrival is fine? 20:34:18 it's OK, when we arrive 20:35:07 last year I made it in advance, because I know the issue with payment from red Hat since more than 8 years now :-) 20:35:19 GeroldKa: ok, I think I can pay it with my corporate credit card and then transfer the expense to the OSAS cost center. Our accountant will hate me for that, but it seems to be the easiest option. 20:35:23 and I'm not the stock of red hat, I'm sorry 20:35:42 +2 (not only +1) 20:36:26 OK, so at the end .... 20:36:33 FAD Rheinfelden will be happen! 20:36:48 +1 20:37:13 and I'm going to be there as well 20:37:17 GeroldKa: we all loved Rheinfelden last year, looking forward to coming there again :) 20:37:44 sesivany: +1 20:37:52 #info FAD Rheinfelden will take place 2013-12-06 - 2013-12-08 as every year 20:38:42 ok, is all set? We know the accommodation price, we'll create the ticket and everyone will add his/her travel budget. Then we can ask rbergeron again. 20:39:03 +1 20:39:26 ok, let's move on to the next topic then... 20:39:36 GeroldKa: thank you for the work! 20:40:05 #topic Requests 20:40:08 no problem 20:40:17 * sesivany is looking at the trac 20:41:52 #info swag request for T-DOSE 20:42:00 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/286 20:42:43 that's puiterwijk's ticket 20:42:59 yeah together with biker (not here though) and biertie 20:43:19 puiterwijk: I myself can send you Fedora stickers and buttons. I should have those by that time. 20:43:47 puiterwijk: but I don't have the hardware - roll-up banner, tablecloth,... 20:44:25 sesivany: okay. the inventory says we should have those things though. so how to go about getting that? or should I arrange that with the owners of the hardware? 20:45:01 puiterwijk: you have to ask people who has it. They can send it to you. 20:45:03 well puiterwijk can send u my rollup but be aware u need tape to use it 20:45:20 the tablecloth has heffer 20:45:38 gnokii: heh, awesome :) 20:46:13 sesivany: I guess I could also get some things produced locally if not available at another place, but that would need another type of ticket, right? 20:46:17 sorry, if I sta 20:46:23 disturb once more 20:46:30 puiterwijk: if you find a cheap vendor, we might consider producing it locally, sometimes it's cheaper than shipping and you can keep it for future events. 20:46:53 I'm looking to do the same here 20:46:59 sesivany: okay, makes sense. I think I know a cheap vendor, though I wonder how to get the templates? 20:47:00 sesivany: we might produce new ones already! 20:47:09 Do we have any premade artwork for them? 20:47:29 jonar: yes, we have 20:47:40 do you have a link? 20:48:16 nope 20:48:29 oh 20:48:41 does anyone? :) 20:49:00 sesivany: so how should I got about with the producing? first get a estimate from a vendor, and then file another ticket for the next meeting? 20:49:18 jonar: I know where it is, but look for size first and then u will get it ;) 20:49:40 I wish not to see another hungarian rollup 20:50:00 puiterwijk: yes, get a price and then get it approved, then you can go ahead and order it. 20:50:58 .fas rgeri77 20:50:59 rgeri77: rgeri77 'Rákosi Gergely' 20:51:27 sesivany: okay, thanks. 20:51:43 would you also have discs available with F19? 20:51:59 I go to bed, guys, sleep well 20:52:06 GeroldKa: good night 20:52:15 GeroldKa: bye 20:52:17 see you GeroldKa 20:53:02 gnokii, struggling to find anything 20:53:06 .fas thunderbirdtr 20:53:06 thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' 20:53:08 Hello Fedorians...sorry I'm late 20:53:15 puiterwijk: btw I'm not sure about media. Right now, I've got just 150 left and we still have several events till F20. 20:53:47 sesivany: okay, makes sense. you're not getting new media? Or would it be an option to also produce those locally? 20:53:48 * sesivany thinks we might need to order more media for F20 cycle 'cause it was gone quickly this time. 20:53:48 jonar: struggling art or a vendor? 20:53:53 art 20:54:15 gnokii, got a vendor who is nice and cheap and also recommended 20:54:15 jonar: gnokii can get you an art. 20:54:52 jonar: look some lines above, give me size, bleed and color and you will get it 20:55:40 sesivany, I still have a number of media left from barcamp blackpool but I was saving these for Oggcamp, then LinuxCon 20:55:51 gnokii, apologies I missed that... 20:56:06 puiterwijk: media in small batches are too expensive. If we don't have any, just go without them. Fast internet is everywhere, for ppl in Europe it's not such a big deal to download Fedora. 20:56:33 gnokii, size is 2000mm high by 800mm wide 20:56:38 jonar: we can definitely use them for LinuxCon. 20:56:46 sesivany: okay, makes sense, thanks 20:57:11 jonar: puiterwijk plz do that via mail ;) 20:57:11 sesivany, not sure how many will be left after OggCamp... 450 people expected there! 20:57:23 gnokii: will do, sorry :) 20:58:21 jonar: no problem, we should rather give them away there than at LinuxCon. At LinuxCon, people are more interested in info than free (free as a beer) stuff :) 20:58:36 :) 20:59:15 sesivany: oh, or should I produce a batch of floppys with F19? :) 20:59:25 ok, everyone who needs an art for a roll-up banner, contact gnokii privately. 20:59:33 puiterwijk: good luck with that ;) 20:59:42 sesivany: http://boot.fedoraproject.org/download -> Floppy :) 20:59:48 let's move on, shall we? 20:59:55 yep, sorry 21:00:09 another ticket... 21:00:21 mine this time 21:00:46 #info Production of Fedora buttons 21:00:52 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/287 21:01:09 We're out of buttons and I'd like to produce another batch. 21:01:35 this time, it should be enough to last at least till the next fiscal year. 21:02:24 We've saved some money on swag, so I think we can order a bit larger batch not to order it again and again. 21:02:36 what do you think? 21:02:49 I'd say +1 21:03:50 we can always order less. The unit price is the same. 21:03:52 you're the boss :) looks nice 21:04:11 no other opinions? 21:04:23 but I do *n't see numbers 21:04:25 +1 21:04:46 the more the better ) 21:04:52 thunderbirdtr: 1000x smaller ones, and 500x larger ones. 21:05:01 sesivany: and pins? 21:05:05 sesivany: sorry my mistake 21:05:40 sesivany: 1000 /1000 ? or add pins ? 21:06:05 robyduck: I don't have a vendor for pins. It was cwickert who ordered them last time. I'm out of them, too. So if he brings a quote, we can order them, too. 21:06:29 I saw people like the pins more than the buttons 21:06:46 so if we could have a quote also for the pins it would be better IMHO 21:06:54 instead of spending all the money for buttons 21:07:03 robyduck: sure, I'm for both. 21:07:09 sesivany: pins are better 21:07:16 is cwickert still with us? 21:07:24 pins.. :) 21:07:25 robyduck: but as I said, I don't have a vendor for pins. 21:08:07 cwickert is having his well deserved beer now :) 21:08:33 sesivany: let's ask cwickert if he has still a vendor 21:08:35 and i like buttons more (added for diversity) 21:08:50 but let's focus on this ticket. I'll talk to cwickert about them. 21:09:00 but anyway, let's order both if possible 21:09:04 sesivany: i have a vendor for pins. 21:09:12 should we order 1500 pins for the price I got? Let's vote. 21:09:18 shit... 21:09:23 1500 buttons. 21:09:29 :) 21:09:31 :) pins was nice 21:09:37 1500 .. :) 21:09:44 I voted for pins +1 :) 21:10:29 ok let's vote for buttons 21:10:32 +1 for me 21:10:36 +1 21:10:38 +1 21:10:41 +1 21:10:42 +1 21:11:00 thanks :) 21:11:17 I understand we need pins, too. I'll work on that. 21:11:38 +1 21:11:47 +1 21:12:05 +1 21:12:05 #agreed The ticket #287 "Production of Fedora buttons" has been approved. 21:12:06 * cwickert can take over pins again 21:12:14 great 21:12:24 but if we go for pins, we should to them a little bit bigger 21:12:39 last ones were 10 mm, I think we need 12 or even 15 21:12:50 cwickert: +1 21:13:04 #action cwickert to get a quote for fedora pins 21:13:10 cwickert: great, just get a quote and create a ticket, or if it's under $500, just go ahead and have them produced. 21:13:13 cwickert: 15 to max looks nice but big ones gonna be not good 21:13:24 sesivany: ok 21:13:52 ! 21:14:05 * sesivany is planning to order stickers soon, too. 21:14:10 gnokii: go ahead 21:14:54 sesivany: it will be above 500, probably 800 EUR for 2000 pices 21:14:56 as it looks they are the pins are well liked and run out fast, how would it be producing a special one we have 10 years fedora? 21:15:13 sesivany: sticker told it Jenneh yesterday she grabs the ticket 21:15:15 eof 21:15:47 gnokii: +1 21:16:15 gnokii: I'm all for special 10 year anniversary buttons/stickers. 21:16:27 pins are IMHO too small for that. 21:16:49 sesivany: with the logo should be big enough 21:18:25 sesivany: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/9/9d/Banner_bug_release.png the on on the left side 21:18:39 gnokii: are we talking about this: http://image.made-in-china.com/4f0j00rBSaPUVCOgkz/Badge.jpg or the tiny metal thing with a needle? 21:19:16 sesivany: we talking about pins ;) 21:20:55 gnokii: yeah, but apparently people use terms buttons, pins, and badges for different things :) 21:21:22 gnokii: for me, a pin is the tiny metal thing with a needle. 21:21:31 for me to 21:22:08 gnokii: you think you can place some "10 year anniversary" art on it? It's kinda small. 21:22:45 sesivany: of course the pin will growth then 21:22:49 gnokii, the logo 10 years is the final? 21:23:08 mailga: yes design team did I think 6 months ago 21:23:52 ok, I missed it. 21:24:35 gnokii: ok, talk to cwickert about the pin design. As I said, I'm all for a special "10 years" edition. 21:24:53 sesivany: yes, think cwickert is still there 21:25:48 * cwickert is here 21:26:20 gnokii, IMHO the pins are too small, logo could be confused. 21:26:23 a 10th anniversary will need a design from the design team 21:26:31 cwickert: its there 21:26:37 I'm afraid this will get huge then 21:26:43 and expensive 21:27:30 I mean, really, if we want to do something that says "10 years Fedora" or so, it will easily be 25x15 mm 21:27:33 cwickert: we can get a qute 21:27:51 and I wonder if people will actually wear something that big 21:28:30 cwickert: when it's bigger, I think buttons are more appropriate. 21:28:30 we really want to do https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/9/9d/Banner_bug_release.png as pins? 21:28:35 yes 21:28:50 a pin is something you can year any time, even with a suit 21:29:01 cwickert: not the whole just the sign on the left side 21:29:14 still, I think this is too huge 21:29:34 and I dislike the idea of making something release specific 21:29:51 if it says "F20 something", it's outdated in 6 months 21:29:59 cwickert: aaargh 21:30:08 the last 2000 pins lasted for 15 months 21:30:30 even if we do "10th anniversary" or so, it is not timeless 21:31:38 so we need timeless ideas for the 10th anniversary release..... 21:31:50 gnokii: if you have concerns or I got things wrong, please speak up 21:32:12 cwickert: I think we could do something "10th anniversary". If it's one single thing. But frankly, I'm not sure if it should be a pin. It's just too small to have anything more complicated than the Fedora logo on it. And when you make it bigger, it's not so nice any more. 21:32:29 rgeri77: it's not that I dislike having something specific for F20 or the anniversary, but I think a pin is not the right thing 21:32:36 sesivany: +1 21:32:38 cwickert: as I said on the begin, with the pins we get them out in time 2000 in 15 months ;) 21:32:59 gnokii: I don't understand 21:33:04 cwickert: no release specific, just the anniversary logo 21:33:07 cwickert: pin is not for the anniversary, thats right 21:33:36 gnokii: I mean, I totally agree, but why did you go "aaargh" when I spoke 21:33:59 I think we need to seperate pin business from anniversary things 21:34:05 gnokii: yes 21:34:16 I am going to get a quote for standard pins 21:34:37 if anybody wants something different, come up with the design, get a quote and then we can discuss it 21:34:39 eof 21:35:26 cwickert: agreed... let's end it with this. We're getting out of time and we still have stuff to discuss. 21:35:44 let's move on, shall we? 21:35:45 * cwickert will go to bed now... 21:36:01 there is one more ticket... 21:36:23 #info LinuxCon Europe Accommodation 21:36:35 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/276 21:36:57 Affix recommended Travelodge as the cheapest option. 21:37:02 yeah the one with strange arithmetic 21:37:45 I checked that and the total price for 4 ppl for 4 nights is 410 pounds. 21:37:56 Has anyone checked the travelodge recently? as they tend to go up quite steeply nearer to the time, and on demand of course... 21:38:22 .fas rgeri77 21:38:22 rgeri7712: rgeri77 'Rákosi Gergely' 21:38:27 jonar: I checked it yesterday. 21:38:45 4 nights, is that Sun, Mon, Tue Wed? 21:38:55 it was 410 pounds which is approx. $650. 21:39:03 jonar: yes 21:39:11 cool 21:40:24 the event budget is $1200, so we're still within limits. 21:40:30 great 21:40:38 are we ok with the price? 21:40:42 +1 21:40:56 +1 21:42:11 no other votes? gnokii, jonar, cwickert, rgeri7712? 21:42:20 +1 21:42:20 +1 21:42:48 +1 ok 21:42:55 * cwickert reads the backlog 21:43:09 has the accommodation question been cleared? 21:43:28 sesivany: ? 21:43:43 cwickert: yes, go to bed, we don't disturb you any more. Keep MyKolab up and running ;) 21:44:03 ok, given that the hotel thing is sorted out, I am +1 21:44:07 and go to bed... 21:44:36 cwickert: good night! 21:44:55