20:00:02 <sesivany> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2015-05-27
20:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed May 27 20:00:02 2015 UTC.  The chair is sesivany. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:00:04 <sesivany> #meetingname emea ambassadors
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20:00:09 <sesivany> #topic Roll Call
20:00:14 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
20:00:17 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:00:37 <lupinix> .fas lupinix
20:00:38 <zodbot> lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' <lupinix@mailbox.org>
20:00:40 <lupinix> good evening
20:00:52 <FedoraUser> .hello fedorauser
20:00:53 <zodbot> FedoraUser: fedorauser 'Medic Momcilo' <medicmomcilo@gmail.com>
20:01:45 <sesivany> Good evening, everyone!
20:01:59 <sesivany> let's wait a couple of minutes for others to show up.
20:03:23 <rsc> robert 'Robert Scheck' <redhat@linuxnetz.de>
20:03:40 <sesivany> just 4 of us today? :)
20:05:12 <sesivany> ok, let's start...
20:05:19 <sesivany> #topic Announcements
20:05:34 <sesivany> well, there is one expected announcement :)
20:05:41 <lupinix> f22 :D
20:05:42 <rsc> Really?
20:05:46 <sesivany> #info Fedora 22 has been released!
20:05:58 <FedoraUser> yay! :)
20:06:21 <sesivany> how many of us are already on F22? ;)
20:06:26 * FedoraUser !
20:06:46 <rsc> Does Rawhide count as F22? :)
20:07:16 <sesivany> rsc: someone enjoys bleeding edge ;)
20:07:29 <lupinix> rsc: no :P because of rebuilds for f23 (gcc api change) :P
20:07:40 * lupinix runs away
20:08:02 <sesivany> btw we have a new website for spins: http://spins.fedoraproject.org/
20:08:08 <lupinix> yes, very nice one
20:08:09 <FedoraUser> it is super nice
20:08:16 <lupinix> also for ARM
20:08:17 <sesivany> #info A new website for spins has been published.
20:08:20 <sesivany> #link http://spins.fedoraproject.org/
20:08:36 <lupinix> https://arm.fedoraproject.org/
20:08:47 <lupinix> and https://labs.fedoraproject.org/
20:08:48 <sesivany> lupinix: right
20:09:03 <sesivany> lupinix: I didn't even know about these.
20:09:41 <rsc> I didn't know about arm and labs to be honest.
20:10:01 <sesivany> any other announcements?
20:10:28 <lupinix> read is @f magazine http://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-22-released/
20:10:32 <lupinix> *it
20:11:22 <sesivany> I don't have any other announcement on mind, so let's move on to the next topic.
20:11:50 <lupinix> no announcements here
20:11:56 <sesivany> #topic Requests
20:12:14 * sesivany is looking at the trac...
20:12:17 <sesivany> #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/report/1?sort=ticket&page=1&asc=1
20:13:36 <taquilla> hi all
20:13:50 <sesivany> taquilla: hi
20:14:00 <FedoraUser> hello
20:14:29 <sesivany> I don't see any ticket that requires approval.
20:14:32 <mitzie> Hello everyone
20:14:36 <mitzie> .fas mitzie
20:14:37 <zodbot> mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' <mitzie@mitzelos.com>
20:14:54 <sesivany> so this topic was easy :)
20:15:05 <FedoraUser> sesivany, I requested a T-shirt and some stuff, no approval needed?
20:15:08 <sesivany> correct me if I'm wrong :)
20:15:29 <sesivany> FedoraUser: no, we will just send it, we don't need to vote about it.
20:15:59 <FedoraUser> sesivany, oh cool
20:16:05 <rsc> Oh, if we are talking about t-shirts, gnokii told me that my ambassador polo would be "wrong"
20:16:46 <sesivany> rsc: if you have a text "Fedora Ambassador" on your heart, then yes, it was a wrong batch.
20:16:53 <sesivany> ask for a new one in this case.
20:17:03 <rsc> Yes. Does this matter? Or does it really make sense to ask for a new one?
20:17:49 <sesivany> rsc: I mean you have a right to do so, personally I would be ok with the wrong one myself.
20:18:03 <sesivany> rsc: but if someone is not ok with it, we offer a replacement.
20:18:30 <sesivany> the vendor provided us with new polos, it's no extra cost except for shipping.
20:18:33 <b10n1k> .fas b10n1k
20:18:34 <zodbot> b10n1k: b10n1k 'jiannis Bonatakis' <jbonatakis@gmail.com> - jobo 'jiannis bonatakis' <california17@gmail.com>
20:18:36 <lupinix> well, maybe for a more uniform look @events, but only "maybe"
20:18:38 <FedoraUser> I'm sorry, I didn't get it, what is wrong with it?
20:19:06 <rsc> sesivany: good to know, I might request a new one but then if I have a chance to pick it (to avoid extra shipping costs)
20:19:21 <rsc> sesivany: and sorry for hijacking the request topic
20:19:29 <sesivany> FedoraUser: there should just be the Fedora logo on the heart, but they put Fedora Ambassador both on the sleeve and the heart.
20:19:41 <FedoraUser> oh ok, thankns
20:19:54 <sesivany> FedoraUser: not a big deal, but they don't look uniformed with the old ones.
20:21:03 <sesivany> FedoraUser: we will send it to you, I'm just not sure if we have 4XL. We should have 3XL and they should be big enough.
20:21:03 <FedoraUser> yeah, it would be nice to have army of ambassadors in one picture with completely same uniforms
20:21:17 <FedoraUser> well... I am a big guy
20:21:37 <FedoraUser> is it possible to measure it, waist size
20:22:04 <sesivany> FedoraUser: look for size chart of Slazenger polo shirts - European sizes.
20:22:33 <lupinix> FedoraUser: how big is "big"?
20:22:37 <sesivany> we have big dudes in the community and they all fit in 3XL, I don't think Slazenger produces 4XL.
20:22:44 <FedoraUser> 2m x 150kg
20:22:47 <FedoraUser> :D
20:23:20 <sesivany> that's indeed big :)
20:23:31 <sesivany> ok, we'll see.
20:23:32 <FedoraUser> oh, yeah, that chart is what I looked at
20:23:42 <sesivany> check the size chart.
20:24:34 <sesivany> http://store.slazenger.com/customerservices/otherinformation/sizeguide
20:24:54 <lupinix> i have XXL and i'm 1,85m * 105kg, but i also would fit in XL i think (without looking like a head cheese)
20:24:57 <FedoraUser> if there isn't 4XL, send a 3XL and I'll consider it a push to get into shape... just a little :)
20:25:17 <FedoraUser> sesivany, that is the guide where I got 4XL size
20:25:54 <FedoraUser> btw, it is a bit confusing chart, because shoulder and waist sizes are way too different to be true
20:26:05 <sesivany> FedoraUser: we'll send you 3XL and if you don't fit in it, you'll have to wait for the next batch and then we will try to order 4XL.
20:26:18 <FedoraUser> if waist size is correct then even 4XL is not enough :D
20:26:37 <FedoraUser> sesivany, all right
20:27:38 <sesivany> anything else to requests?
20:27:58 <sesivany> ok, next topic then
20:28:06 <taquilla> ok
20:28:08 <sesivany> #topic Ambassador's schedule
20:28:52 <sesivany> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-22/f-22-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:29:06 <sesivany> we're just after the release.
20:29:18 <sesivany> so it's release party time!
20:29:36 <sesivany> anyone planning a release party in your location? we can support you!
20:30:16 <lupinix> yes :) i'm organizing a small event, maybe in linux course @university
20:30:44 <lupinix> btw what is the current state of media production?
20:31:05 <sesivany> media will arrive on June 4th.
20:31:14 <sesivany> images were available too late.
20:31:40 <sesivany> it was decided that Fedora was gold Friday evening, so the vendor got images on Monday.
20:31:58 <sesivany> so in one week, we can ship them.
20:32:14 <sesivany> we will have 2000 Workstation DVDs and 1000 Alternative Desktops.
20:32:21 <lupinix> btw are there any guidelines for such events? because i'm promoting scientific spin instead of workstation
20:32:29 <sesivany> you can already file tickets to get it.
20:32:34 <lupinix> (physics and informatics department here)
20:32:43 <lupinix> mailny physics
20:33:17 <sesivany> lupinix: not really
20:33:30 <sesivany> lupinix: no formal guidelines.
20:33:31 <lupinix> i'll request some media later for a more general event on linux at university (there i'll use workstation and kde)
20:33:48 <sesivany> lupinix: it's not a problem to promote a variant of Fedora of your choice.
20:34:32 <lupinix> nice :) because it's very nice to see when people(mainly students) recognize "oh, it already included everything i need for my work"
20:34:37 <lupinix> *includes
20:34:49 <lupinix> this is the case with scientific spin here :)
20:35:31 <sesivany> it's also time to promote Fedora 22 generally.
20:35:57 <FedoraUser> I think it goes without saying that I want to wait for media to go along with the polo, right? :)
20:35:58 <sesivany> engage with local communities or media...
20:36:34 <sesivany> FedoraUser: just add to the ticket that you want media as well, it won't be package by me, but by kmrstiko.
20:36:35 <lupinix> local community is mostly university here
20:36:59 <lupinix> but events there are also open for people from outside
20:37:26 <sesivany> I for example managed to get news about the release on the biggest Czech IT portal. I asked and they agreed, simple as that :)
20:38:27 <lupinix> bug german ones (heise, golem etc.) already reported about it and at least @heise i think there also will be a review within some days
20:38:35 <lupinix> *big
20:38:41 <FedoraUser> I am writing an article (for 3rd release) for popular Serbian floss magazine
20:39:04 <sesivany> lupinix: yeah, we have Thorsten in Heise.
20:39:10 <FedoraUser> *for 3rd release = third time in a row f20, f21 & f22
20:39:27 <sesivany> FedoraUser: that's a good way to promote Fedora indeed.
20:39:57 <sesivany> anything else to post-release activities?
20:40:43 <sesivany> ok, events then...
20:40:47 <sesivany> #topic Events
20:41:01 * sesivany is checking the list of events.
20:41:27 <sesivany> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/EventPlan:2016
20:42:08 <sesivany> mitzie: how was DORS/LUC?
20:42:31 <sesivany> it looked like a big success from posts and photos.
20:42:40 <mitzie> It was very good
20:43:01 <mitzie> For those who don't know, we don't have a community in Croatia
20:43:50 <mitzie> And people were very interested overall, and they were interested at joining the community as well
20:44:16 <sesivany> any candidates for ambassadors? ;)
20:45:32 <mitzie> For example we have one guy that will join the infra team, as he was very interested in contributing at that part
20:45:39 <sesivany> mitzie: don't forget you should write an event report ;)
20:45:49 <mitzie> sesivany: Not yet
20:45:51 <sesivany> this one would be interesting.
20:46:01 <mitzie> (about an Ambassador)
20:46:27 <mitzie> But we have some people that showed interest at translating some Fedora Websites
20:46:43 <sesivany> nice
20:47:20 <mitzie> yes, there was a big response from people
20:47:29 <sesivany> FedoraUser: btw is there any events in Serbia where you think Fedora should be? We haven't been covering Serbia much either.
20:48:03 <FedoraUser> perhaps next fiscal year
20:48:08 <FedoraUser> I think november
20:48:24 <sesivany> mitzie: how many people were there approx.?
20:48:26 <FedoraUser> it is a big one, I think we should cover it
20:48:48 <sesivany> FedoraUser: this November or November 2016?
20:48:58 <mitzie> I asked the organizers, and the told me ~200
20:49:08 <mitzie> *they
20:49:24 <FedoraUser> sorry just checked it, September 2015, https://2k15.balccon.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
20:50:35 <sesivany> FedoraUser: ok, let's start planning it! We've got experienced ambassadors in countries around (Hungary, Greece,...) that can help you.
20:51:04 <sesivany> even though it's not in our budget, I think we will have a big enough reserve by November.
20:51:36 <FedoraUser> sesivany, all right, I'll start pondering about it :)
20:52:17 <sesivany> great
20:52:46 <sesivany> Giannis had a success at OSCAL as well.
20:52:56 <sesivany> it seemed to be a good event, too.
20:53:24 <sesivany> Sirko said that LinuxWochen Vienna was much bigger this year.
20:53:48 <sesivany> next events are in summer...
20:54:57 <sesivany> anything else to events?
20:55:46 <sesivany> I contacted Linux Foundation to ask about booth at LinuxCon Europe 2015.
20:56:03 <sesivany> it was one of action items from last time.
20:56:24 <sesivany> they still don't have the venue confirmed, so they can't promise it, but they should have a place for us.
20:57:17 <sesivany> #info A booth at LinuxCon Europe 2015 not yet confirmed, LF is going to check the venue and let us know if they have room for us (they most likely will have).
20:57:33 <sesivany> #topic Open floor
20:57:43 <sesivany> now you have open floor to discuss any topic.
20:59:35 <lupinix> what are your impressions of f22? :)
21:00:02 <lupinix> i really like kde plasma 5 spin!
21:00:10 <sesivany> lupinix: I'm satisfied, very stable for me.
21:00:29 <FedoraUser> it looks really sleek, I almost got switched away from Gnome :)
21:00:30 <andreasch> +1 lupinix kde plasma 5 is awesome
21:01:00 <nb> sesivany, how much was it that EMEA pays for dvds? I think we may need to look for other suppliers for NA
21:01:10 <nb> we've been paying i think about 1.15 each
21:02:06 <sesivany> nb: let me check...
21:03:28 <sesivany> nb: $.44 with volume of 3000, if we ordered 5000 it'd be $.36.
21:04:12 <sesivany> nb: sorry, that's dual layer, for single layer it's: $.41 (3000), $.34 (5000)
21:04:20 <nb> wow
21:04:24 <mhroncok> :)
21:04:32 <nb> yeah, i think i will check on new suppliers for NA
21:04:44 <sesivany> it includes discs, sleeves, and shipping to our office.
21:05:25 <nb> nice
21:05:43 <sesivany> nb: there are just a few original vendors who can print DVDs in Europe, this is one of them. We order it from the source.
21:06:13 <mhroncok> sesivany: is it true that we even ship them to Asia, or am I wrong?
21:06:27 <sesivany> nb: there are many providers who take your order, then order it from one of these few producers and of course add some money on the top of it.
21:07:04 <nb> yeah, i think our current provider orders our media from another company
21:07:05 <sesivany> mhroncok: we did last time, but there were problems with customs and it was a bit chaotic from their side.
21:07:10 <sesivany> so not any more.
21:07:17 * nb wonders how well it would work for EMEA to ship media to NA
21:08:04 <sesivany> nb: that's difficult to say, one thing is shipping and the other is customs fees.
21:08:56 <sesivany> nb: when we shipped the media to Asia, we shipped it to China and Singapore, they both have low customs fees and there are busy mail lines between, so the shipping was relatively cheap, too.
21:09:00 <nb> true
21:09:39 <nb> i do not know how much the US charges for customs
21:09:52 <nb> i have bought a few things internationally, but they were inexpensive and didn't have any charges
21:10:19 <sesivany> nb: it also depends how many media we order, for example we're ordering 1000 of Alternative Desktops ones and then the unit price is around $.60. The unit price goes up sharply with lower volume.
21:11:34 <sesivany> nb: there are a lot of fixed costs associated with the production.
21:12:46 <sesivany> nb: our vendor doesn't even print DVDs in volumes under 1000, it's not economical. They write DVDs in lower volumes.
21:14:18 <sesivany> ok, anything else or I'll end the meeting in 1 minute
21:14:49 <mhroncok> sesivany: ping me after the meeting, about Prague release party
21:14:49 <lupinix> nothing here, good night everyone :)
21:15:09 <sesivany> good night!
21:15:11 <FedoraUser> good night all, sesivany thanks for chairing
21:15:15 <sesivany> thank you for attending.
21:15:23 <sesivany> #endmeeting