21:00:13 #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2016-03-02 21:00:13 Meeting started Wed Mar 2 21:00:13 2016 UTC. The chair is giannisk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_2016-03-02' 21:00:17 #meetingname emea ambassadors 21:00:17 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors' 21:00:21 #topic Roll Call 21:00:34 .fas eischmann 21:00:34 sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' 21:00:35 #chair mitzie 21:00:35 Current chairs: giannisk mitzie 21:00:42 .hello ardian 21:00:43 ardian: ardian 'Ardian Haxha' 21:01:01 Hello and welcome to another regular meeting for the EMEA region. 21:01:03 .fas nmilosev 21:01:05 nmilosev: nmilosev 'Nemanja Milosevic' 21:01:13 .fas jonatoni 21:01:13 jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' 21:01:15 hi all 21:01:19 .fas diegoestrada 21:01:20 taquilla: diegoestrada 'Diego Estrada' 21:01:22 hi 21:02:05 .fas frantisekz 21:02:05 frantisekz: frantisekz 'FrantiĊĦek Zatloukal' 21:02:11 .fas jacobcz 21:02:11 JacobCZ: jacobcz 'Jakub Sycha' 21:02:15 JacobCZ is soon-to-be ambassador from CZ. 21:02:26 Oh yes, hi everyone 21:02:30 Let's see how many people we have around. Use .fas yourusername 21:02:30 .fas giannisk 21:02:30 * giannisk notices that his network is experiencing some irregularities at the moment. 21:02:31 giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' 21:02:32 hello JacobCZ, welcome :) 21:02:39 Should I introduce myself more or something? 21:02:50 giannisk: you met him in person at the FAD in Brno. 21:03:04 sesivany: oh, it's that Jacob, nice :) 21:03:12 JacobCZ: please do, in a sentence or two 21:03:13 .fas elioqoshi 21:03:13 elioqoshi: elioqoshi 'Elio Qoshi' 21:03:59 .fas jobava 21:03:59 Jobava: jobava 'Jobava' 21:04:32 Alright... Well, I'm from brno, fedora and opensource enthisiast. My first ambassador-related event or whatever was the EMEA meeting, which I've basically attended just as a spectator and I'm hopefully a soon-to-be ambassador for CZ 21:04:49 giannisk: I recently became ambassador aswell, and this is my first meeting, should I introduce myself too? 21:05:03 nmilosev: please do, right after JacobCZ finishes. 21:05:25 I probably have finished already, I really don't know what else should I say :) 21:05:33 Also, a kind reminder to everyone that the meeting protocol is in effect. 21:05:44 #info The meeting protocol is in effect. Please see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_IRC#Meeting_Protocol 21:05:55 That means, if you'd like to speak up, type ! 21:06:01 If you'd like to ask a question, type ? 21:06:08 And when you're done speaking, type eof. 21:06:25 JacobCZ: Yeap, that's good. Welcome once again. eof? 21:06:45 giannisk: thanks again. And yes, eof 21:06:52 nmilosev: please go ahead 21:07:40 .hello jflory7 21:07:41 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 21:07:44 * jflory7 is idling 21:07:54 Well, I guess thats my cue. I'm Nemanja from Serbia. Currently an MSc student of Software Engineering (one exam to go, yay). I'm a software developer and I write a lot on my blog about Fedora. You can find everthing about me on my wiki page. Recently I got a lot of attention because of my blog post about running Fedora on Android phones :) I guess thats mostly it. eof 21:08:11 .hello robert 21:08:13 rsc: robert 'Robert Scheck' 21:08:33 nmilosev: cool, welcome :) 21:08:40 ! 21:08:43 nmilosev: yes 21:09:11 Also should mention that my mentor is rsc who just joined. (possibly the kindest person on the internet, not just because he is here now) 21:09:13 eof 21:09:47 .fas mitzie 21:09:47 mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' 21:09:55 nmilosev: we have many great people in the community, including rsc of course :) 21:10:22 Okay, on to the Announcements. 21:10:24 #topic 21:10:27 #undo 21:10:27 Removing item from minutes: 21:10:32 #topic Announcements 21:10:55 I have been really, really busy for the last weeks and unfortunately I haven't managed to keep up with everything. 21:11:14 Does anyone have anything specific in mind to be announced? 21:11:37 ! 21:11:43 sesivany: please go ahead 21:11:45 .fas andreasch 21:11:45 andreasch: andreasch 'Andreas Christoforou' 21:11:50 Hi 21:11:54 Fedora 24 has been branched! 21:11:58 * giannisk waves at andreasch 21:12:05 eof 21:12:33 thank you sesivany 21:12:35 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule 21:12:58 ^There goes the proposed schedule for F24. 21:13:10 * jflory7 has some announcements! 21:13:39 jflory7: go for it! 21:14:22 (1) PCWorld recently interviewed mattdm about the big picture plans for Fedora in 2016. mattdm talked about some of the objectives and ideas that are on the table for Fedora this year. Worth a read to see the Fedora Project Leader's vision for Fedora and where we are heading! https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/pcworld-interviews-fpl-matthew-miller-for-fedora-2016-plans/ 21:14:49 jflory7: seen that, thanks for sharing :) 21:15:11 (2) Fedora is participating in the GNOME Outreachy internship program, a program for women and underrepresented groups in computer science fields to work in open source projects. Fedora has a slot open for working on the kernel development team. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outreachy-2016-remote-internships-and-fedora/ 21:16:31 (3) This is *very* recent, but Fedora was approved Monday night as a mentoring organization for Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2016! We haven't been told how many slots we'll have, but we will definitely be participating in this year's summer event. Feel free to share this news with people in your communities about the program! https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/ 21:16:44 We're also on the front page for the participating organizations. ;) 21:16:45 eof 21:18:16 very important announcements, thank you jflory7 21:19:26 .hello decause 21:19:27 decause: decause 'Remy DeCausemaker' 21:20:11 There is a thing I wanted to share with the community. Recently, FAmSCo has been experienced a few unfortunate issues. But we're working to re-organize the committee again. 21:20:31 The main reason has been inactivity. But we will get things sorted out as soon as possible. 21:20:40 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Steering_Committee 21:21:00 giannisk++ 21:21:00 decause: Karma for giannisk changed to 7 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:21:04 FAmSCo is out there to support the role and tasks of the ambassadors. 21:21:16 you're doing a good job, along with the other ambassadors who are showing up to get momentum going again 21:21:35 we're going to solve the gridlock 21:21:38 don't worry :) 21:21:48 So, if at any time there is something an ambassador is in need of, feel free to reach out to us. 21:22:34 decause: you have been standing there with us, thanks for your support 21:22:49 Anything else to be announced, everyone? 21:23:15 ! 21:23:23 JacobCZ: go ahead 21:23:35 If I may, I would like to propose an event to go to in czech republic, if this is the right place and time to do so... 21:24:06 JacobCZ: This would go under the Events topic, hold on a bit. :) 21:24:19 alright 21:24:21 eof 21:24:27 thank you JacobCZ 21:24:32 Alrighty, moving on. 21:24:54 #topic Requests 21:25:04 * giannisk is checking the EMEA trac for new tickets. 21:25:31 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/report/1?sort=created&asc=0&page=1 21:25:51 #info Ticket #555 - Mozilla and Fedora Activity Day 21:25:56 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/555 21:26:03 ardian: the stage is yours :) 21:26:33 With the help from jonatoni and elioqoshi we are organizing a two day event with Mozilla and Fedora 21:27:14 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mozilla-and-fedora-activity-day/ 21:27:21 We have successfully build a hacker space in Kosovo 21:27:36 And we have a lot of people that show up 21:27:42 ardian: tip: put it after the /Events path 21:28:00 So this is the best momentum for community building 21:28:26 We have a special interest group at the hackerspace called GCK (girls coding kosova) 21:28:50 they have a group of people (~30 girls) who work on code 21:29:39 We are hoping we can fix this "gender gap" issue 21:30:06 ? 21:30:09 jonatoni, has been doing a great job, so she is the best person to inspire other women in our community here 21:30:39 eof 21:31:22 Seems like a solid event, good luck guys. 21:31:37 Total amount being requested is 65 EUR ~ = 70.6 USD 21:32:05 Snack and drinks are for the participants? 21:32:13 giannisk, yes 21:32:18 Jobava: yes please 21:33:01 I was wondering if there is a list of topics or templates for Fedora-specific hackathons, or a list of past hackathons and some details regarding them eof 21:34:23 Jobava: we frequently use the term "FAD - Fedora Activity Day" when there's some sort of hackathon or even with direct impact to the Fedora Project. 21:34:27 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_-_FAD?rd=Fedora_Activity_Day 21:34:48 s/even/event 21:35:26 * linuxmodder form famna hanging in back row 21:35:28 I'm +1 to the request 21:36:20 Time to vote, people! 21:36:34 +1 21:36:41 +1 21:36:49 +1 21:36:50 +1 21:36:57 +1 21:37:00 +1 21:37:19 Way more than five votes, ticket approved 21:37:30 #agreed Ticket #555 Approved 21:38:17 Okay, I don't see anything else for today. 21:38:42 thank you 21:38:43 There have been some swag expenses. But these cannot go through the regional meeting, as the amount is large. 21:38:54 s/large/high 21:40:07 Any questions so far? 21:40:13 Anything else regarding requests? 21:40:38 ! 21:40:45 elioqoshi: yes please 21:41:29 This is not a request itself, but just brainstorming. As a student, I see it problematic that Fedora does only reimbursements. Is there anything we can plan on to offer advance payments in some specific cases? 21:41:43 Sorry if that is in the wrong topic 21:41:44 eof 21:42:11 ! 21:42:43 elioqoshi: I'm a student myself and I can understand your concerns, however the reimbursement process is quite complicated. 21:42:50 mitzie can explain 21:43:08 elioqoshi: not likely. We do our best to make sure that there are cardholders in each region that can handle payment up front on behalf of ambassadors to be reiumbursed after. 21:43:50 elioqoshi: even myself (full-time employee) must pay up-front and file for reimbursement for things like travel and expenditures for community events 21:44:01 Are there any cardholders in east southern Europe in this case? 21:44:07 decause, I see thanks for the clarification 21:44:20 ! something for open floor 21:44:39 elioqoshi: no problem. I wish there were more we could do, but EMEA does a *great* job historically with expense reimbursements when they have to come from community members 21:44:51 s/complicated/complex 21:44:58 elioqoshi: Actually the reimbursement guidelines are set from the community credit card holder (currently jsimon for EMEA). I don't know how easy it is to justify the expenses as a community credit card holder to Red Hat in advance, but I suppose the process is not easy. Otherwise we would make reimbursements in advance 21:45:20 elioqoshi, that is normally reserved for very well established contributors there have been issues of advances sent and no show 21:45:41 the only kind of advance funding I know if is when we make a purchase order, which is something I haven't done before, and usually only for expenses over $1000USD 21:46:05 Thanks. At Mozilla we have been using advanced payment half of the times without much of hassle, but I can understand why that might not work 21:46:13 ^^ 21:46:18 elioqoshi: I'd love to hear more about how that works for Mozilla 21:46:26 large ticket items essentially 21:46:55 decause, I will try to open a conversation on the mailing list or so regarding that. Maybe some lessons we can adapt 21:47:04 elioqoshi: and a PO takes much longer to make happen, so we need much more time in advance to make them happen 21:47:26 I have to mention that the advance payment process at Mozilla is not always efficient. Sometimes people receive payments, but end up spending less. Which causes an issue should the extra money be returned or kept. 21:48:02 any relaxing of these rules always led to a dead end because it's already pretty extraordinary for a corporation to do. 21:48:09 At Mozilla, extra money sometimes is kept by contributors, but will be later deducted from their future budget requests. To me, that's not very efficient, because contributors end up "owing" money to the project. 21:48:34 That's also true. But then again. Mozilla is a bit less careful with money, if I can phrase it that way 21:49:19 Mozilla is not a publicly traded company, Red Hat needs to follow pretty strict rules. 21:49:29 elioqoshi: I also know that from experience, but we're not Mozilla here in terms of sponsoring contributors, there are certain guidelines to be met. :) 21:49:37 what about getting pro-forma invoices ahead of time? those involve no payments 21:50:17 I've paid a couple of invoices for ambassadors. 21:50:39 but it needs to be higher amounts like at least >$500. 21:50:45 Jobava: paperwork needed and we would need Red Hat to do that. Imagine getting pro-forma invoices for ambassador expenses as little as 50 USD. 21:50:52 .fas b10n1k 21:50:52 b10n1k: b10n1k 'jiannis Bonatakis' - jobo 'jiannis bonatakis' 21:50:56 sorry 21:50:58 Jobava: but it definitely works out for larger amounts 21:51:10 and the invoice needs to be issued by a legal and registered business. 21:51:12 sesivany, yeah the foundation owns the corporation. Funnily, the Mozilla Reps program has been inspired by Fedora Ambassadors :) 21:51:12 Anyway, don't want to delay the meeting any longer. Thanks for your input 21:51:51 let's move on, this can be discussed further on mailing list. 21:51:56 elioqoshi: no worries 21:52:01 Yeap, we will be moving on. 21:52:18 #topic Ambassadors Schedule 21:52:27 * giannisk looks for the link to the ambassadors schedule. 21:53:15 #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-24/f-24-ambassadors-tasks.html 21:54:17 Nothing in particular to comment. 21:54:44 mailga informed me earlier today that ambassadors and marketing will work closer in the near future 21:54:59 And that ambassadors will be invited to participate in meetings held by the marketing team. 21:55:06 Expect more news soon. :) 21:55:16 ! 21:55:22 nmilosev: please go ahead 21:55:48 Why are these dates so far from the Fedora 24 release schedule? 21:55:51 eof 21:55:58 on that note, marketing will be meeting in 7 minutes 21:56:26 in #fedora-meeting-1 21:56:45 #info fedora marketing will be meeting in roughly 5 mins in #fedora-meeting-1 21:56:51 EoF 21:56:54 nmilosev: which ones, in particular? 21:57:02 * giannisk nods to decause. 21:57:26 giannisk: for example beta and alpha releases aren't aligned to the group schedule? 21:57:26 decause++ 21:58:39 giannisk: I'm just wondering, I don't know if thats how it is supposed to be. 21:58:47 eof 21:59:23 nmilosev: these are phases, periods 22:00:02 Recommended release dates are reflected on the schedule: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule 22:01:04 Anything else? 22:01:20 If not, we will be moving on. 22:01:22 giannisk: I understand. 22:01:43 Okay then, moving on to the Events. 22:01:47 .fas lupinix 22:01:48 lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' 22:01:51 #topic Events 22:02:02 Any events happening around your region? 22:02:09 Or would you like to report back from any recent events? 22:02:10 sry, noted meeting @wrong time here... 22:02:14 Now is the time! 22:02:16 ! 22:02:20 lupinix: no worries 22:02:25 JacobCZ: go ahead! 22:03:16 So, there is this event called barcamp in brno. From what I've been able to find, it's focused on web development and development in general. I was thinking maybe a booth there or something... 22:03:48 eof 22:03:58 ? 22:04:18 JacobCZ: of course, feel free to find out more about the event (how to participate there) and let us know 22:04:25 will do! 22:04:40 JacobCZ: if there's anything you need, there are lots of people to ask, including your mentor as well 22:05:07 absolutely! 22:05:18 I'm curious to know roughly how many people might be expected to attend the event? 22:05:30 JacobCZ: great, keep us posted! 22:05:45 ! 22:05:52 jflory7: the website says 15k, but i believe it's a typo... 22:06:16 it's not definitely 15k, but it could be 1.5k. 22:06:40 sesivany: probably 22:07:02 A sizable amount, cool. Thanks for sharing with us, JacobCZ. JacobCZ++ 22:07:05 jflory7: Karma for jacobcz changed to 2 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 22:07:14 No problem 22:07:36 .fas gitne 22:07:36 GITNE: gitne '' 22:07:59 JacobCZ, jflory7: both eof? 22:08:06 yes, eof 22:08:59 Anything else related to events, people? 22:09:09 ! 22:09:12 mitzie: yes 22:09:35 giannisk: Sorry, yes, eof 22:10:18 ! 22:10:24 ! 22:11:02 If you are planning to participate at an event in the next fiscal year (which btw it started in 1st March), add your event, and budget if needed to the event plan: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/EventPlan:2017 22:11:04 eof 22:11:33 thank you mitzie 22:11:42 forgot elioqoshi up there, sorry 22:11:49 elioqoshi: go for it 22:11:58 Fedora Localization Sprint #3 (first for us this year) in Tirana, Albania on 12th March led by jonatoni and silvaarapi. We looking forward to continue l10n of Fedora in SQ. 22:12:05 eof 22:12:09 elioqoshi++ 22:12:42 rsc: go ahead 22:12:46 kital, fab_ and churchyard are going to cover Chemnitzer Linux-Tage at 2016-03-19/2016-03-20. There was a request for a video interview from the student TV channel of the university hosting the conference. 22:13:37 Not sure what they finally expect, but if it's possible to cover it, we'll do so. 22:13:40 eof 22:14:09 We've got an event this weekend. 22:14:16 InstallFest Prague 22:14:40 we will do a little FAD there, working mostly on stuff around mojefedora.cz. 22:14:54 ? 22:15:08 me, churchyard and a couple more people will participate. 22:15:14 no budget needed :) 22:15:22 eof 22:15:56 thank you both rsc and sesivany 22:16:00 rsc: yes 22:16:25 sesivany: Given my Czech is bad...is MojeFedora related to MojeID? 22:17:04 rsc: no, moje means my, so it's MyFedora - website for the Czech community. 22:17:15 rsc: no :), mojeid is openid service, mojefedora equals to my fedora 22:17:24 sesivany: Ah, "my" :) 22:17:29 Thanks for the clarification. 22:18:04 (eof) 22:18:27 Perfect! Anything else related to events? 22:21:36 If not, we will be moving on to the next topic. 22:21:36 #topic Action items from previous meetings 22:21:36 * giannisk looks for the link to the previous meeting minutes. 22:21:37 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-02-17/emea_ambassadors.2016-02-17-21.00.html 22:21:37 #info No action items left from the previous meeting. 22:21:37 Any questions here? 22:21:37 If not, we shall then move on to the Open Floor. 22:22:27 Right, zodbot is running a few minutes late... 22:22:31 Great 22:23:02 Anyways, moving on to the Open Floor. 22:23:07 #topic Open Floor 22:23:22 Everything else goes here. :) 22:23:29 Note that the meeting protocol is still in effect. 22:24:54 ! 22:25:02 nmilosev: yes please 22:25:32 Not sure if this should have went to announcements, but definitely a nice read: http://dnf.baseurl.org/2016/02/24/dnf-into-c-initiative-started/ 22:25:40 DNF moving from Python to C 22:25:47 eof 22:26:40 ! 22:26:47 thank you nmilosev 22:26:54 jflory7: go ahead 22:28:01 Just wanted to give a warm welcome to both JacobCZ and nmilosev for coming to their first meeting today. Looking forward to seeing you both in Fedora! JacobCZ++ nmilosev++ 22:28:01 jflory7: Karma for nmilosev changed to 1 (for the f23 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 22:28:03 eof 22:28:18 jflory7: thanks :) 22:29:02 jflory7: Thank you. 22:29:08 Haha, thanks for stepping up jflory7 and welcoming them :) 22:29:32 Anything else for the Open Floor? 22:29:42 If not, we can end this meeting in three (3) minutes from now. 22:32:45 Thank you all for being here today. 22:32:53 Have a great night, see you in two weeks again. 22:32:57 #endmeeting