20:00:11 #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2016-11-23 20:00:11 Meeting started Wed Nov 23 20:00:11 2016 UTC. The chair is ardian. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:11 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_2016-11-23' 20:00:17 #meetingname emea ambassadors 20:00:17 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors' 20:00:21 #topic Roll Call 20:00:27 .hello ardian 20:00:28 ardian: ardian 'Ardian Haxha' 20:00:29 .fas jonatoni 20:00:31 jonatoni: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' 20:00:32 .fas nmilosev 20:00:34 nmilosev: nmilosev 'Nemanja Milosevic' 20:00:59 Hi everyone and welcome to another regular meeting for the EMEA region. Let's wait some minutes for others to show up. 20:01:11 Hope we don't have timezone issue again this week 20:01:43 I expected a cookie for showing up on time :D 20:01:50 nmilosev++ 20:01:50 ardian: Karma for nmilosev changed to 3 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:01:56 * nmilosev \o/ 20:02:02 * ardian Here you go :D 20:02:06 .hello bee2502 20:02:06 bee2502: bee2502 'Bhagyashree Padalkar' 20:04:04 * ardian hello jonatoni, bee2502 20:04:21 o/ ardian jonatoni 20:04:21 * jonatoni hello ardian :) 20:04:40 * jonatoni bee2502 o/ 20:06:51 #topic Announcements 20:06:59 #info Fedora 25 released! 20:07:06 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-25-released/ 20:07:12 The Fedora Project is pleased to announce the immediate availability of Fedora 25, the next big step our journey into the containerized, modular future! 20:07:27 .fas eischmann 20:07:27 sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' 20:07:33 #info Introducing Fedora Hubs 20:07:39 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-hubs/ 20:07:44 The goal of the Fedora Hubs project is to provide a consistent contributor experience across all Fedora teams. Hubs serve as an “intranet” for the Fedora Project. The many different projects in Fedora each have different processes and workflows. Hubs will be a single place where contributors can learn about and contribute to these projects in a consistent way. 20:07:56 #info Where to point newcomers to Fedora 20:08:01 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/where-point-newcomers-fedora/ 20:08:25 This might help you in release parties :) 20:08:30 .fas mitzie 20:08:30 mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' 20:08:33 That's all I have 20:09:02 All really good news ardian++ 20:09:02 nmilosev: Karma for ardian changed to 1 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:09:14 Congratz to everyone for F25 20:09:25 ardian++ 20:09:25 jonatoni: Karma for ardian changed to 2 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:10:21 Any other announcements? 20:11:41 #topic Requests 20:11:59 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/report/1?sort=created&asc=0&page=1 20:12:15 #info Funding request: 33C3 (Chaos Communication Congress) Ticket #624 20:12:25 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/624 20:12:31 Please review the ticket 20:13:01 The ticket speaks for its self 20:13:31 Time to vote! 20:13:41 Btw how much budget do we have for CCC? 20:14:05 Hi! 20:14:16 Hey 20:14:17 .fas lailah 20:14:18 Kohane: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' 20:14:22 Let's see jonatoni 20:14:23 .fas pidgornyy 20:14:24 lesik: pidgornyy '' 20:14:28 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IAt2udlv-gwTjUYfhqvNOnwL_1FH_NC4AhobdFH1tNU/edit#gid=0 20:14:36 Is the event owner OK with that? 20:15:12 Looks like it's $1,514 20:15:28 sesivany, I am not sure, I saw there are a lot of emails for this event 20:15:32 If I have info that the person who organizers the booth counts on pidgornyy, I have no problem to +1 20:16:39 Sorry I'm late... 20:17:12 Looks like Pidgornyy is in the wiki 20:17:14 Kohane: are you in charge of Fedora presence at CCC? 20:17:21 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Congress_2016_(33C3)#Fedora_Project_Attendees_.26_Assembly_Staff 20:17:49 Ok, then I'm fine with it. 20:17:51 Well... I thought that was Till because I have no ticket 20:17:57 .fas giannisk 20:17:57 giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' 20:18:03 * giannisk waves at everyone. 20:18:05 #chair giannisk 20:18:05 Current chairs: ardian giannisk 20:18:12 +1 then from me 20:18:13 I just wanted to make sure it's done in a coordinated way and people don't randomly ask for funding. 20:18:21 +1 20:18:26 sesivany: I think is Till 20:18:34 I wasn't able to follow up all emails on that topic 20:18:49 giannisk has more information i think 20:18:57 Is that related to 33C3? Anything I can do to help? 20:19:01 Fill me in please. :) 20:19:02 giannisk, yes 20:19:07 +1 sesivany 20:19:18 This ticket https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/624 20:19:47 * giannisk is having a look. 20:20:28 Any issues? Apart from choosing a hotel which works for everyone. 20:21:04 I don't know of any issues. Well, getting tickets is quite difficult now. But besides that... 20:21:19 Kohane: True, I tried last Saturday but it was chaotic. 20:21:50 giannisk, no, just to be sure the event organizer is ok and is counting for pidgornyy, 20:21:56 Yeah, I know I tried too. :( 20:22:12 ardian: tyll is the event organizer 20:22:38 +1 20:23:04 +1 20:23:07 As long as there is budget, I don't see any issues. We should count in for pidgornyy :) 20:23:31 For the record, along with mitzie we have been searching for hotel deals. 20:23:45 But we don't know yet how much confirmed Fedora contributors to expect. 20:23:58 +1 20:23:58 #agreed Ticket #624 Approved 20:24:00 And the ticket obtain process for 33C3 is quite messy. 20:24:01 +1 20:24:12 ardian: please don't rush :) 20:24:37 I think it would be ideal if we can find a hotel for everyone, to co-ordinate better. 20:24:58 #undo 20:24:58 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by ardian at 20:23:58 : Ticket #624 Approved 20:25:24 Alright, I guess we should look for a better solution 20:25:44 And you can approve this ticket later ? 20:25:46 For now, I suggest approving pidgornyy's hotel expenses in addition - but we should strongly consider booking everyone under the same hotel if there are no objections 20:26:30 * nmilosev_ wifi died 20:26:35 So, for example, If we later book everyone under the same hotel, pidgornyy can cancel his current hotel booking. 20:26:40 Thoughts? 20:26:56 Looks like a plan to me 20:26:59 I know this has gotten messy, but it doesn't really depend on us exclusively. 20:27:00 than you can approve his ticket later 20:27:16 My opinion is that everyone should be in the same hotel if possible to save costs. 20:27:36 I can cancel my hostel booking up until a few hours upon arrival. 20:27:51 jonatoni: 1. We approve it right now, for the whole amount 2. If we later book everyone under the same hotel, pidgornyy will cancel his previous reservation 20:28:07 okay, perfect 20:28:28 sesivany: I strongly agree. However right now, we don't know how many rooms to book unfortunately 20:28:33 I think it will save costs as long as that hotel is cheap 20:28:47 Otherwise, I'm not sure if it will make any difference 20:28:50 lesik = pidgornyy? 20:28:57 Yes 20:29:11 giannisk: yes 20:29:14 giannisk, that's fair +1 20:29:15 lesik: Did you manage to obtain a ticket? 20:29:31 giannisk: yes 20:29:36 lesik: Awesome :) 20:29:38 +1 20:29:39 :) 20:30:10 Everyone else, thoughts? 20:30:17 Everyone okay with what I proposed? 20:30:26 I agree with you 20:30:30 so +1 20:30:46 giannisk +1 20:31:00 Once again, 1. We approve it right now, for the whole amount 2. If we later book everyone under the same hotel, lesik will cancel his previous reservation 20:31:01 +1 20:31:25 +1 20:31:39 ardian: feel free to proceed with #agreed :P 20:31:48 #agreed Ticket #624 Approved 20:32:06 great! 20:32:09 giannisk++ 20:32:09 ardian: Karma for giannisk changed to 1 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:32:16 Sorry again about the mess, but the situation is complicated and things don't really depend on us. 20:32:44 ardian++ 20:32:44 giannisk: Karma for ardian changed to 3 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:33:02 Thanks for the clarification 20:33:07 #info F25 Release Party Novi Sad Ticket #625 20:33:13 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/625 20:34:03 Alright, the ticket speaks for its self 20:34:10 yeah 20:34:12 I tried to put everything there 20:34:16 And its ok budget vise 20:34:22 +1 20:34:26 We just announced the schedule today :) 20:34:30 +1 20:34:33 Five talks this time 20:34:36 +1 20:34:39 +1 20:34:47 Good luck w/ the event :) 20:34:55 Thanks giannisk++ 20:34:55 nmilosev: Karma for giannisk changed to 2 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:35:00 nmilosev++ 20:35:01 +1 20:35:03 giannisk: Karma for nmilosev changed to 4 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:35:21 +1 20:35:35 #agreed Ticket #625 Approved 20:35:47 nmilosev, good luck with the party, sounds great! 20:35:49 Thanks everyone :) 20:35:56 I'll be there! 20:36:10 #info F25 Release Party - Funding request Ticket #626 20:36:21 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/626 20:36:52 "What's new with Fedora 23" :D 20:36:56 in the wiki 20:37:16 giannisk, mitzie anything to add :P? 20:37:18 Isn't it a bit too old that...? 20:37:21 Just saying 20:37:35 nmilosev: check again :D 20:37:46 giannisk, a.k.a the flash! 20:37:49 * nmilosev sneaky giannisk 20:37:57 Sorry guys, I used the wiki page of our previous release party as a template :P 20:37:57 +1 from me 20:38:01 Apologies, again 20:38:03 Hehe, it's basically the same layout like our previous release party, only with different content 20:38:03 +1 20:38:04 +1 20:38:07 +1 20:38:07 +1 20:38:10 :D 20:38:18 +1 20:38:31 #agreed Ticket #626 Approved 20:38:40 Good luck with the event, guys :) 20:38:45 Thank you all! 20:38:54 Good luck giannisk, mitzie!! 20:39:18 That's all for tickets 20:39:28 ! 20:39:35 sesivany, yes 20:39:51 I haven't created a ticket because I got the price just today... 20:40:07 but I'm planning to order 1000 DVDs as we talked about. 20:40:26 the unit price should be the same as last time - $.40 20:40:31 sesivany: we can do it even right now, on the fly :) 20:40:49 it's ~$400 in total 20:40:53 400 USD for 1k DVDs 20:40:59 +1 sesivany 20:41:13 +1 sesivany 20:41:14 +1 20:41:15 +1 20:41:17 +1 20:41:19 That's a really good price, +1 20:42:03 they say they will produce and deliver them in 2 weeks, it's before Chrismas and they're almost fully booked now. 20:42:03 #agreed $400 in total for 1k F25 DVDs 20:42:05 So, whenever sesivany opens that ticket, we will mention the request was approved during this meeting. 20:42:14 ok 20:42:20 Cool 20:42:30 yes, I'll point a link to the logs 20:43:17 Alright, anything else for requests? 20:43:50 Not from my side. 20:44:07 #topic Ambassadors Schedule 20:44:25 #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-25/f-25-ambassadors-tasks.html 20:44:54 Fedora release parties are coming, brace yourselves :D 20:44:56 Time to make parties 20:45:27 Don't forget you can send pictures 20:45:48 and promote them on the official social media accounts 20:45:49 sorry, am on 3G 20:45:57 A reminder to all communities in EMEA that you're more than welcome to submit your budget requests to organize F25 Release Parties 20:45:58 Check the last meeting notes for the link 20:46:31 ! 20:46:34 nmilosev, yes 20:46:53 Just a reminder, that you can get the F25 release party poster 20:47:13 #link https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/485 20:47:23 eof 20:47:24 Oh! I didn't know there's a poster 20:47:53 nmilosev, great! 20:47:57 .thank nmilosev 20:47:57 ardian thinks nmilosev is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to nmilosev++ also) 20:48:18 nmilosev++ 20:48:28 Anything else? 20:48:36 nmilosev++ 20:48:36 jonatoni: Karma for nmilosev changed to 5 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:48:41 nmilosev++ 20:48:51 * nmilosev cookie overflow 20:49:03 #topic Events 20:49:23 Any events you are attending, or have planned to do one ? 20:51:06 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-25-awesome-release-party/ 20:51:18 ! 20:51:20 Another link, you might check for release parties 20:51:25 jonatoni, yes please 20:51:42 (sorry, unstable connection on 3G) 20:51:58 I was in Sofia, Bulgaria https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenFest_2016 20:52:22 for OpenFest, together with Suela. We had a booth and a talk about women in source 20:52:39 also a workshop: intro to non tech contributions in FOSS 20:52:48 jonatoni, I saw the livestream, great work! 20:52:50 jonatoni++ 20:52:50 ardian: Karma for jonatoni changed to 1 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:52:52 jonatoni++ 20:52:54 giannisk: Karma for jonatoni changed to 2 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:53:06 Lots of people were interested, and came to our booth asking different questions 20:53:11 ardian thanks :) 20:53:24 jonatoni++ 20:53:24 nmilosev: Karma for jonatoni changed to 3 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:53:31 eof 20:53:58 I will write also a blogpost soon, sorry for being late :/ 20:54:01 Anyone else? 20:55:01 #topic Action items from previous meetings 20:55:05 ! 20:55:05 +1 jonatoni 20:55:24 giannisk, yes 20:55:30 FYI 20:55:37 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/76 20:55:42 #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/77 20:56:21 About considering alternative reimbursement methods & considering workarounds to reimbursements 20:56:57 this will be a long shot... 20:57:13 I know several of our fellow contributors have been experiencing issues. This is not okay and I personally would love to put effort and try to have some changes. 20:57:13 giannisk, thanks for the initiative 20:57:20 sesivany: it will be indeed 20:57:32 * sesivany knows how finances in RH work 20:57:59 Let me list the actions here 20:58:05 #info 1. giannisk reach out to kmrstiko, check the status of the remaining EMEA swag. 20:58:17 #undo 20:58:17 Removing item from minutes: INFO by ardian at 20:58:05 : 1. giannisk reach out to kmrstiko, check the status of the remaining EMEA swag. 20:58:36 ardian: I did reach out to Kveta as well. Awaiting further news. :) 20:58:47 .hello lupinix 20:58:47 lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' 20:58:53 good evening everyone 20:58:54 .hello jacobcz 20:58:55 JacobCZ: jacobcz 'Jakub Sycha' 20:58:56 giannisk, Just wanted to list all the actions that are on the link ... 20:59:00 On a slightly related news... 20:59:13 ardian: Ah, fair enough, please move ahead :) 20:59:17 hi y`all, still not used to DST being off, sorry 20:59:27 The shipping tips wiki page seems to work :) I have sucessfully received a FedEx package in Serbia 20:59:35 #info 1. giannisk reach out to kmrstiko, check the status of the remaining EMEA swag. 20:59:56 #info 2. giannisk reach out to mitzie, investigate whether we have budget to produce more swag. 21:00:15 I think mitzie clarified this last meeting. 21:00:26 #info 3. giannisk update the EMEA Trac, add a notice regarding deadline to submit requests in order to make things even more clear. 21:00:35 #info 4. thunderbirdtr contact bexelbie regarding the alternative reimbursement methods. 21:00:53 That's all 21:01:27 Everything is being taken care of, except #3 - I am unable to edit the main page on the EMEA Trac. 21:01:42 I think it's a good idea if everybody that has trouble with PayPal, to write to that topic, maybe express the country where he/she lives 21:01:47 We used to have edit capabilities, but not anymore. 21:02:12 I can ask jsimon from FAMA to edit the EMEA Trac page and add a notice. 21:02:44 giannisk, that would be cool 21:03:45 I don't have anything else to add here, thank you giannisk for taking care 21:03:47 #action giannisk reach out to FAMA, ask for a notice to be added on the EMEA Trac regarding deadline to submit requests. 21:04:14 Now, considering the issues with reimbursements. 21:04:42 What do you think about opening a wiki page, to gather information about countries where Paypal is not being supported? 21:04:58 Then we can present that to the council and ask for workarounds. 21:05:06 Thats a good idea 21:05:41 nmilosev, I was wondering does PayPal work in Serbia? 21:05:52 Yes, works just fine 21:06:14 I used it twice, once for F24 release party and for EuroPython 21:06:48 nmilosev, do you delays after getting the funds on your paypal account, does it take 30Days to get them to your bank account? 21:07:17 Nah, it took couple days, but no where near 30. Maybe 3-4 work days 21:07:35 In general, this is not going to be easy process. However, I personally feel really bad to see contributors struggling with getting reimbursed. I don't think that's acceptable. 21:07:51 jonatoni, I think Albania has an issue with this 30days 21:08:00 yeah ardian :/ 21:08:08 we need to wait at least 30 days 21:08:19 jonatoni: Woah. Every time? 21:08:23 ardian, 30 days is better than not working at all like some countries (Turkey, I believe) :( 21:08:32 giannisk: yep every time 21:08:45 nmilosev, yes, same problem in Kosovo. 21:09:09 jonatoni: So, 2-4 weeks for the reimbursement to be processed by RH and then stuck for another month in Paypal? 21:09:13 :( 21:09:54 giannisk exactly :/ I get my reimbursement after 2 months :P 21:10:09 jonatoni: ... 21:10:43 Anyone wants to create the wiki page for the PayPal problem? 21:10:54 ardian: I can open it also. 21:11:27 giannisk ok, great! 21:11:33 I need everyone's help though. :) Does Paypal not work in your country? Please report it on the wiki page! 21:11:54 giannisk, yep, sending an email to the mailing list should do the job 21:11:58 giannisk++ 21:12:00 Does Paypal impose any other restrictions (i.e. freezing your money)? Please report that also! 21:12:06 giannisk++ 21:12:08 jonatoni: Karma for giannisk changed to 3 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:12:09 s/money/balance 21:12:45 #action giannisk reach out to the ambassadors ML regarding the issues w/ getting reimbursed 21:12:45 giannisk++ 21:12:46 bee2502: Karma for giannisk changed to 4 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:13:38 #action giannisk create a wiki page in addition to gather information regarding the issues w/ getting reimbursed 21:13:43 giannisk, not sure if you are doing an action atm 21:13:57 ardian: ready :) 21:13:58 oh xD 21:14:10 #undo 21:14:10 Removing item from minutes: ACTION by giannisk at 21:13:38 : giannisk create a wiki page in addition to gather information regarding the issues w/ getting reimbursed 21:14:16 #action giannisk create a wiki page to gather information regarding the issues w/ getting reimbursed 21:14:37 more accurate :P 21:15:02 I guess that's all for this topic? 21:15:04 Hi again! Sorry, I had to leave 21:15:57 #topic Open Floor 21:16:10 Everything else should go in this topic 21:16:21 You guys upgraded to F25? :) 21:16:32 I was wondering what the progress/problem is with migrating the EMEA trac to pagure 21:16:55 nmilosev: planning to do it tomorrow :D 21:16:58 nmilosev: Not yet, I'm about to travel abroad and I want to upgrade my hard disk as well 21:17:27 nmilosev yes ;) 21:17:47 ardian you are right about this 21:17:47 JacobCZ: I've been wondering too. I thought Justin Flory was helping on that. Am I wrong? 21:17:52 we need to ask Justin 21:17:59 yes 21:18:27 I believe there were some issues with pagure, like assigning the ticket (issue) to someone etc. 21:18:33 jflory7, ping 21:18:33 ardian: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 21:18:44 savage zodbot 21:18:51 nmilosev, I think FAMNA has moved 21:19:41 and I belive you are right someone reported an issue 21:19:51 Though was wondering if anyone as more info on that 21:20:01 Yes, FAMNA already moved to Pagure. 21:20:03 Well we definitely need to ask jflory7, I just remember getting an email stating that there were issues 21:20:45 Mainly with private tickets 21:20:49 I think 21:20:55 yes 21:21:14 There's another trac that already migrated but I can't recall which one 21:21:35 And LATAM was planning to migrate too but I don't know when. 21:22:08 Alright, that's it from me, nothing else to add here. 21:22:43 One question still, can we have a private repository in pagure 21:22:56 Because we are exchanging sensitive data in the tickets 21:23:06 Like bank stuff, and personal data 21:23:13 AFAIK all pagure repos are public 21:23:40 afaik not all pagure repos are public 21:24:00 because of the sensitive informations that we have included at our tickets 21:24:44 nmilosev, what do you mean by private? not indexed in search engines? 21:25:09 ardian, not accessible without FAS account or without ambassadors group membership 21:25:40 I think that was one of the main issues with FAmNA 21:25:40 Tickets are always like that from what I know. You need a FAS account to login. 21:25:42 migration 21:25:54 nmilosev, If I correctly recall, that was the issue 21:26:40 We should check with jflory7 but we have enough time until February 21:26:47 yep 21:27:08 So if there isn't anything else to be discussed I will end the meeting in 3min 21:28:01 Thank you very much everyone for being here today! 21:28:05 ardian, too, for chairing! 21:28:16 ardian++ for chairing 21:28:20 ardian++ 21:28:21 See you all :) 21:28:48 Thank you everyone for participating, see you in two weeks. 21:28:51 see you all :) 21:28:56 ardian++ 21:28:57 see ya all! 21:29:05 See you 21:29:41 ardian++ 21:29:56 Good night all 21:30:03 #endmeeting