20:00:00 #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors 2016-02-01 20:00:00 Meeting started Wed Feb 1 20:00:00 2017 UTC. The chair is nmilosev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:00 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_2016-02-01' 20:00:05 #meetingname emea_ambassadors 20:00:05 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors' 20:00:09 #topic Roll Call 20:00:16 .fas nmilosev 20:00:17 nmilosev: nmilosev 'Nemanja Milosevic' 20:00:24 .hello lupinix 20:00:25 lupinix: lupinix 'Christian Dersch' 20:02:00 Hello everyone and welcome to another regular meeting for the EMEA region. Let's wait a couple of minutes for others to show up. 20:02:07 Please note the meeting protocol is in order: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_IRC#Meeting_Protocol 20:02:08 .hello jflory7 20:02:09 jflory7: jflory7 'Justin W. Flory' 20:02:15 * nmilosev o/ jflory7 20:02:38 * jflory7 is happy to be participating in his first EMEA meeting from EMEA :) 20:02:47 .fas jacobcz 20:02:48 JacobCZ: jacobcz 'Jakub Sycha' 20:03:15 jflory7: haha 20:03:35 .fas jonatoni 20:03:35 jonatoni_: jonatoni 'Jona Azizaj' 20:03:59 jonatoni_: o/ 20:04:18 * jflory7 waves to jonatoni_ 20:04:22 good evening everyone :) 20:04:33 JacobCZ: \o 20:05:04 #topic Announcements 20:05:10 #info Submissions now open for the Fedora 26 supplemental wallpapers 20:05:16 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/give-fedora-26-a-nice-look-contribute-your-wallpaper/ 20:05:22 #info Fedora Cloud Base Image has a new home 20:05:31 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-cloud-base-new-home/ 20:05:37 #info REMINDER: FedoraHosted sunset: 2017-02-28 20:05:42 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedorahosted-sunset-2017-02-28/ 20:05:50 #info opensource.com 2017 People's Choice Awards 20:05:56 #link https://opensource.com/article/17/1/2017-peoples-choice-awards 20:06:03 I know who I'm voting for :) 20:06:20 Anyone else have any announcements? 20:06:20 :) 20:06:22 ! 20:06:26 jflory7, go 20:06:47 #info Planned Outage: Mailman stack update - 2017-02-02 09:00 UTC: All mailing lists will be briefly affected by temporary downtime tomorrow. 20:06:51 #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ECZ43UFPJCQRR7ZB6D6H2FPEPZGJBJ4L/ 20:07:23 20:08:33 Thanks jflory7, missed that one 20:08:39 Okay, lets move on 20:08:46 #topic Requests 20:08:50 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/report/1?sort=created&asc=0&page=1 20:08:55 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget 20:08:59 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-budget 20:09:35 #info Ticket #652 - Funding Request for Jona Azizaj - PyCon SK 2017 20:09:39 #link https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/652 20:09:49 Please review the ticket 20:10:47 If someone has a question I'm here to answer :P 20:11:04 mitzie isn't around, last year the budget was $400 20:11:11 So I think we are ok for budget 20:11:13 * jflory7 waits for FAS to log in... waiting 20:11:49 This is also in FY18 20:12:02 Yes, any link for fy18 budget? 20:12:05 So it would be coming from the Q1 budget 20:12:26 nmilosev: I don't think so yet. bexelbie might have an idea on when that could be, if he is around. 20:13:31 would be nice to have some info @budget here 20:13:42 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/EventPlan:2017 20:14:26 Hi! 20:14:31 .fas lailah 20:14:32 Kohane: lailah 'Sylvia Sánchez' 20:14:35 So, FY17 is until the _end_ of February, but this event is in March, so it should come from the next years budget, if I understand it correctly 20:14:41 * nmilosev o/ Kohane 20:14:48 Yes nmilosev 20:15:05 * Kohane o/ nmilosev 20:15:06 Let's just vote, and mitzie will check if budget is fine. I think it is fine, budget-wise 20:15:11 +1 from me 20:15:27 Should be fine... 20:15:27 +1 20:16:04 I can't vote, I came to let to know what is this about. I'm sorry. 20:16:21 Why you can't vote? 20:16:30 * gnokii just wondering in former times it was custom to hear the event owner first I mean 260 out of a 400 budget.... 20:17:08 gnokii, you are probably right actually 20:17:17 Looks like mhroncok is the owner 20:17:26 Or he was at least, last year 20:17:28 and out of 400$ not Euro 20:17:59 maybe we should delay this to next meeting to get more info @budget etc,? 20:18:45 nmilosev: I can't find the link, I don't know what are we discussing. Besides that is related to budget 20:19:00 nmilosev: I've pinged hroncok on telegram... 20:19:05 I have talked with mitzie 20:19:06 Kohane: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/652 20:19:24 nmilosev: He's not able to join us today 20:19:24 And he said that he is okay, and he can comment later on the ticket 20:19:43 Sorry, lost connection – missed past 5-10 minutes of discussion 20:19:44 Besides, we don't have the numbers yet for next year 20:20:12 lupinix: Thanks galore! 20:20:25 jonatoni, I'm sorry, I'm not sure what to in this kind of situation. We didn't get confirmation from mitzie as we usually do on the budget 20:20:59 nmilosev: thats why i tend to move the voting to next meeting 20:21:01 And gnokii also has a point in contacting mhroncok (who I am sure will agree) 20:21:27 I wanted to vote now, and CC to mhroncok, mitzie on the trac before the final agreement 20:21:31 I've talked also with Miro, but yeah we can discuss about this at our next meeting 20:21:38 So they can confirm it's all ok 20:21:38 nmilosev: I've just talked to mhroncok, he said he doesn't know much, but there probably won't be enough budget available 20:22:05 JacobCZ, thank you 20:22:11 ? 20:22:21 jflory7, yes 20:22:27 * gnokii is again wondering why here everybody says something different what mhroncok said for me he siad nothing not in ticket nor meeting 20:22:54 gnokii: I've just talked to him like 30 seconds ago 20:22:57 I have no idea, I'm totally confused 20:23:38 Yes this is all very confusing, without mitzie and mhroncok 20:23:49 Let's postpone this for the next meeting, agreed? 20:23:57 lupinix: why you sent me a link to jonatoni's ticket while we're discussing something related to mhroncok? 20:24:01 Let's discuss about this next week 20:24:05 Yes, it's better. 20:24:07 nmilosev: +1 @postpone 20:24:13 Kohane, it's mhroncok's event 20:24:18 Ah 20:24:20 nmilosev: mhroncok wants me to let you know that the budget will not be available for Jona for PyCon SK 20:24:20 Kohane: we are talking about jonatoni's ticket 20:24:24 Now I get it 20:24:36 Okay, sorry, I came too late 20:25:17 JacobCZ, thank you for this information, I will contact both mhroncok and mitzie on the trac to get the final say 20:25:27 nmilosev: sure 20:25:30 Sorry jonatoni :/ 20:25:42 .fas mitzie 20:25:42 mitzie: mitzie 'Zacharias Mitzelos' 20:25:48 Sorry for the delay! 20:25:59 mitzie, Ticket #652 20:26:07 https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/652 20:26:53 I talked to Jona and I told her that it's ok. Besides, we don;t have the numbers for next year 20:27:16 mitzie, did you check with mhroncok? 20:27:21 (event owner) 20:27:26 nmilosev: no 20:27:31 Budget last year was $400 20:27:38 and the ticket is for EUR260 20:27:52 ~$280 20:27:58 nmilosev: Hroncok told me a few minutes ago that the budget will not be able to cover this 20:28:18 nmilosev: sorry, meant for mitzie 20:28:18 We can raise the budget if needed 20:28:30 mitzie: do you know when we'll have the numbers for FY2018? 20:28:57 The numbers need to be decided by the Council 20:29:01 how can we raise the budget when we do not know how much we have? 20:29:12 I think Bex told me that we are aiming for March 20:29:47 Yeah, but still... we don't know. 20:29:48 lupinix: you are right 20:30:19 Okay, I think the best course of action is to postpone and for jonatoni to check with mhroncok, on the trac 20:30:28 So we have a clearer sitation 20:30:48 But for events like these when the budget is 200-300 EUR for travel, it's safe to approve the request. 20:30:59 My only concern is that flight tickets change their price really fast, and we are really near march 20:31:21 Ugh, have a poor connection so it's difficult for me to follow… the question I wanted to ask earlier is if we have any other events lined up for Q1 of FY18? 20:31:55 And I need to give an answer to the organizers if I will go or no 20:32:06 We always end up with cancelled events, and we end up having some money left at the end of the quarter. 20:32:23 mitzie, the other issue is that this is more than half a budget of this event, without mhroncok to confirm that it is ok 20:32:44 And the last info we have is that he said the budget won't cover it :/ 20:32:51 thats not half thats 3/4 20:33:34 is bexelbie around? 20:33:45 nmilosev: That was for last year 20:33:47 No, I think he's offline 20:33:48 mitzie: I have him on Telegram now, he's traveling for FOSDEM this weekend right now 20:34:27 We adjust the allocated budget for each event every year, according to what we spend for this specific event in the previous year 20:34:35 If you think the budget is fine, we can vote. But I think it would be best to postpone until we get confirmation from mhroncok, yes? 20:34:36 jflory7: oh, I see 20:34:38 Question: Do we have any other events lined up for Q1 already? 20:34:51 I agree, let's postpone this 20:35:13 jflory7: Actually we haven't created an event plan yet, so we don't actually know yet 20:35:25 jflory7, judging by last year report (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Budget:2017#Q1_.28March_-_May_2016.29), yes 20:35:35 Just found a cheaper option, is approximately 200 EUR. I will update also my ticket. 20:35:44 or even less 20:35:50 +1 to postpone. 20:35:53 Brian passes on the following: think about what you want to do, but focus on Q1 and be ready to talk with Brian. Assume we'll get what we had last year, but it may not happen. He strongly recommends choosing events based on impact and value. 20:36:21 lets postpone please 20:36:29 Okay, let's postpone 20:36:33 so we can talk also with Brian 20:36:49 #agreed Ticket #652 Postponed 20:37:09 #action jonatoni to contact mhroncok, bexelbie regarding the budget for this 20:38:24 When we have confirmation from mhroncok/bexelbie that the budget is ok, we can vote 20:38:37 jonatoni, please try to see if there are cheaper options available 20:38:49 Anyway, although I believe that for 200 or 300 EUR its ok to approve requests, even if we don't have the exact numbers for Q1. We were in the same situation last year, when we were transitioning from fiscal 16 to fiscal 17 20:38:50 yes sure 20:39:31 **for 200-300 EUR more compared to last year's budget for this event 20:39:32 eof 20:40:12 mitzie, the bigger issue here is that if the budget for an event (which covers more than just travels) is spent entirely without the event owner agreeing 20:40:30 Is there a wiki to know what are the events planned for this year? 20:40:44 Kohane, not yet I think 20:40:51 Uhm... 20:40:53 Yeah but neither the event organizer (or me) knows the exact number 20:41:07 I know there's a lot of floating discussion, but I would encourage this to be reviewed quickly by the event organizer to approve, as I really don't know when we're going to get budget for this FY 20:41:07 (0_0) 20:41:23 * gnokii in former times there was event pages for the planning so each event owner was already knowing who wants to come and figured out already if that can be done inside the budget 20:41:44 I think if waiting to get numbers is the concern, we're going to keep waiting - I really, really think we should be voting on this based on whether we think this is an event where will have an impact on the local community in the area 20:41:59 +1 with jflory7 20:42:31 My connection keeps dying so I'm having a hard time keeping up, but I strongly encourage this to be resolved before the next meeting before travel costs grow and it cuts more into the future budget 20:42:49 jflory: its not about waiting its about spending 300$ for a budgeted event of 400$ without any knowledge of the event owner 20:42:52 I agree also, but it's difficult to vote without the event owner here 20:42:59 * Kohane cleaning her glasses 20:43:05 If you think we should vote, it's easy to undo :) 20:43:27 nmilosev: Right, this is what I'm getting at – I would rather us vote, then have mhroncok +1, and then jonatoni can book her plane ticket quickly 20:43:44 Instead of waiting for mhroncok, then waiting for EMEA to vote again, and then plane tickets rising 20:44:10 If mhroncok gives a -1, then it's easy to undo 20:44:19 Besides, when we get the numbers, we will allocate the necessary money for this event, so there won't be any problem (Jona is speaking at the conference, she is not just staying at the booth). Plus, we always end up with cancelled events at the end of the quarter, so there won't be a problem for other events 20:44:34 Okay, let's vote for ticket #652 (with regard that mhroncok must approve on the ticket) 20:44:43 cancelled events = unused money 20:44:58 jflory: this is not about raising flight prices 20:44:59 sorry, things are to unclear to me here… 20:45:01 +1 for tentatively approving this event dependent on mhroncok's vote 20:45:54 gnokii: the event is in March, tickets in the last 3-4 weeks tend to rise a lot 20:46:11 +1 20:46:20 mitzie: if I look right now I find a lot cheaper flights 20:46:23 -1 as we should postpone to have feedback from event owner to be able to discuss this with some background info… 20:46:29 -1 for the same reason 20:46:37 its simple about cooperation 20:46:44 not about flight prices 20:46:46 And increasing ticket prices are IMHO not an argument, they are always increasing. 20:46:55 I would prefer not to vote on this one until hroncok gives it a go 20:47:00 -1 we should wait 20:47:06 gnokii: Right, I understand and follow, but my concern is that it doesn't make sense for us to delay the event by *first* waiting for mhroncok, *then* waiting two weeks for the next EMEA meeting to vote on it. I'd rather us vote based on the knowledge we have now, then have mhroncok review, and his vote would be the determining factor. 20:47:21 jlory the solution is simple 20:47:59 jflory7: i think mhroncok can give info for us so we can vote in 2 weeks from now 20:48:04 Like nmilosev said, the vote can always be undone, but if mhroncok +1's tomorrow, then I think we should go ahead and move forward with making purchases and also so jonatoni can confirm her speaking arrangement. If the vote is -1, I won't push further, but I wanted to say this earlier but had issues with my connection 20:48:28 20:48:54 How about, if jonatoni gets approval from mhroncok, a FAmSco member can approve sooner so we don't lose time. Is that a possibility? 20:49:02 jflory: and if we bellieve what JacobCZ said, he says he cant make that out of a 400$ budget 20:49:37 Yes, I think is a reasonable compromise, nmilosev 20:49:51 I talked with Miro, he will talk with mitzie and will reply later on the ticket 20:50:23 gnokii: Right, so then mhroncok can -1 and nothing will happen 20:50:48 exactly 20:51:00 Okay, let me just clear this up, please 20:51:05 I feel like we're arguing in agreement. 20:51:21 (a) we vote now, mhroncok gives +1 or -1 and the ticket is resolved 20:51:33 What I'm trying to say is that the event owner at the moment doesn't have any more information about the budget than we do. Miro can give a -1 for other reasons (being an event owner) but not because the budget is unclear yet. Like I said, we will allocate more money to this event when the final numbers come, and it won't be an issue (as we end up with 20:51:33 unused funds at the end) 20:51:36 eof 20:51:40 (b) we don't vote now, mhroncok gives +1 or -1, FAmSco member approves 20:51:51 *sorry for typing slowly today 20:52:21 nmilosev: I opt for option (a) 20:52:43 a 20:53:04 we also have (c) we don't vote now, mhroncok gives approval, we vote next meeting 20:53:13 mitzie we had that since fedora existed and there is a clear saying about this situation go ahead as planned 20:53:14 please vote a, b, or c 20:53:16 c 20:53:17 c 20:53:18 c 20:53:44 others? 20:53:57 b 20:55:36 Okay, so we postpone as we initially wanted. 20:55:50 okay 20:56:13 agreed 20:56:19 Like jflory said, it's pointless to vote again in 2 weeks (or wait for another Famsco member to approve the ticket). Anyway, a vote is a vote, and I respect that. Thank you all 20:57:08 We don't have any other tickets. 20:57:32 jonatoni, please contact mhroncok, and we vote in two weeks. 20:57:52 #topic Ambassadors Schedule 20:57:58 #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-26/f-26-ambassadors-tasks.html 20:58:04 nmilosev: You have a wrong year in the topic just btw... 20:58:19 True, I didn't notice 20:58:26 Well, that sucks 20:58:39 nmilosev: can you change it? 20:58:41 #meetingtopic EMEA ambassadors 2017-02-01 20:58:41 Does anyone know if I can change it midway? 20:58:47 nmilosev: ^^ that will fix :) 20:58:53 #meetingtopic EMEA ambassadors 2017-02-01 20:58:57 Thanks 20:59:00 Yup! 20:59:01 nmilosev: We can't vote in the next meeting, this will eventually be approved by Famsco. It will be too late by then. 20:59:01 nice :D 20:59:37 mitzie, I'm really unsure how to handle a situation like this. 20:59:43 mitzie: why can't we vote @next meeting 21:00:00 I think it's not too late to vote on Feb 15th 21:00:09 The event is in March 10, next meeting is in ~Feb 15. The tickets will have skyrocketed by then 21:00:25 Anyway 21:00:32 Are we still discussing the same topic? 21:00:39 Kohane: yes… 21:00:41 mitzie: if you would have sorted out this like a month ago, the tickets would have been even cheaper, I would assume. 21:01:35 rsc: sure, but I couldn't have sorted this earlier. I'm not the one asking for money :) 21:02:15 Oh, gosh... 21:02:25 Let's leave this for the open floor, keep to the topic please. 21:02:27 So I couldn't have known about Jona's request. Anyway, let's end this discussion 21:02:35 I think the idea that mitzie and I are trying to suggest to that is that whichever way we choose, we get the end result, and mhroncok has the final say as the event owner. Us voting now, then getting mhroncok's vote, saves us money on ticket and confirms the speaking arrangement. We can vote next meeting, after getting mhroncok's vote, and then go through the same thing in two weeks. 21:02:43 .fas b10n1k 21:02:43 b10n1k: b10n1k 'jiannis Bonatakis' - jobo 'jiannis bonatakis' 21:02:49 Sorry, yes, nmilosev 21:03:08 * jflory7 waves to b10n1k 21:03:08 We will discuss this on the open floor 21:03:09 rsc at the moment that they approved my talk I opened my ticket 21:03:11 jlory that is not was mitzie here is talking he just laments on flight prices 21:03:26 Please, let's continue 21:03:30 #topic Events 21:03:43 Any events happening near you? Would you like to report from some event that you've been to? 21:03:51 ! 21:03:58 JacobCZ, yes please 21:05:11 I just wanted to say, that DevConf CZ was amazing, thank all of you who did for coming! The swag we had at the Fedora booth was quickly gone (gloves, stickers, pens ,DVDs and some other things). 21:05:14 eof 21:05:44 I have to agree, had a great time at DevConf :) 21:05:57 jflory7: I assume you liked it too? :D 21:07:13 JacobCZ++ Yes, DevConf was excellent :) 21:07:13 jflory7: Karma for jacobcz changed to 1 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:07:31 Anyone has something to add? 21:07:55 * jflory7 is keeping an eye out for any FOSS events in Dubrovnik (or might try organizing something small) 21:08:12 Keep us posted! :) 21:08:16 Okay, moving on 21:08:16 ! 21:08:18 jflory7: that would be nice... 21:08:20 oh, sorry 21:08:22 mitzie, yes 21:08:24 Fosdem is this week :) 21:08:48 fosdem++ 21:09:09 Yes, have fun at Fosdem everyone! :) 21:09:12 have a nice trip @fosdem! 21:09:15 We will have a big booth with a lot of Swag to give away. Also some Fedora contributors are speakers 21:09:27 ! (re: mitzie) 21:09:30 * lupinix cannot attend "thanks" to university 21:09:36 Like jflory7 :) 21:09:40 jflory7, yes 21:10:13 #info With FOSDEM coming this week, there will be a post coming on the Fedora Community Blog highlighting all 20+ Fedora speakers at FOSDEM - keep an eye out on the Community Blog to see who will be speaking from the Fedora community in Brussels! 21:10:20 21:10:35 Awesome! jflory7, do we have a list of Fedora speakers/talks? 21:10:45 Or is that gonna be on the blog? 21:10:58 nmilosev: Well, I can give you the quick one, actually - but it will be on the blog. But we may as well work with what we have. One second... 21:11:25 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/98#comment-71225 21:11:31 .fas giannisk 21:11:32 giannisk: giannisk 'Giannis Konstantinidis' 21:11:35 * giannisk waves at everyone. 21:11:36 22 speakers in total... :) 21:11:41 * jflory7 also waves to giannisk 21:11:52 * Kohane also waves 21:11:59 giannisk: o/ 21:12:06 This is great, jflory7++ 21:12:10 jflory7++ 21:12:10 mitzie: Karma for jflory7 changed to 22 (for the f25 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:12:14 That's great 21:12:22 * nmilosev o/ giannisk 21:12:37 hi giannisk :) 21:12:41 A pretty version will still be coming on the CommBlog, so keep an eye out for that, along with info on locations and times for all talks... ;) 21:12:42 21:13:05 That's excellent news, keep us posted! :) 21:13:15 Okay, any other news regarding events? 21:14:13 #topic Action items from previous meetings 21:14:22 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/emea_ambassadors/emea_ambassadors.2017-01-18-20.00.html 21:14:27 #info 1. mitzie to contact sesivany about producing Fedora DVD sleeves 21:14:43 I completely forgot to talk about this to sesivany :( 21:15:00 nmilosev: I have him on Telegram, should I ping him about it? 21:15:02 I think we should bring it up sometime near F26 release 21:15:26 JacobCZ, if you are familiar with the subject you can contact him. 21:15:45 nmilosev: sure, only one detail, are we talking F26 or 25? 21:16:05 I'm not gonna extend the action, please remember to bring this up when we see the direction of the media production in the future. 21:16:10 JacobCZ, it's for F26 21:16:16 nmilosev: k 21:16:28 #topic Open Floor 21:16:33 Anything goes here. 21:16:44 mitzie, you still here? 21:17:11 yes nmilosev 21:17:37 Can we please discuss the budget issues we are having. 21:17:50 It's going to be difficult every new FY 21:17:58 Any solutions for this? 21:18:01 ! 21:18:11 jflory7, feel free to jump in anytime 21:18:45 Okay, I just wanted to say a thing about event planning in this in-between period with the fiscal year and what Brian advised me 21:20:48 Right now, there is no definite time frame for when we will be handed the budget for this year. Brian said it is reasonable to expect the same funds as we had last year, but it isn't a guarantee. With that in mind, events we are planning right now should be voted on based on the perceived impact we will have at those events and location. So, for the earlier ticket, I think it is reasonable for us, as EMEA, to vote on the prior ticket based on 21:20:48 the *impact* we will have on the event, and then defer the final, concluding vote to mhroncok. This method gives us the same end result where mhroncok has the closing vote on the matter, as the event owner, but if he says yes tomorrow morning, then we can quickly move forward on making travel arrangements and confirming a Fedora speaker presence at the event. 21:21:10 Whichever way we go, we are getting the same *end result* of the impact at the event. The difference is that one method could save potentially two weeks, or two days. 21:21:44 mhroncok is not having his role as event owner compromised in any way by us deciding to approve the ticket based on the information we have *now*. 21:22:24 But given the choice between two days and two weeks, it would make more sense to opt for the method that most quickly lets us move forward on this event, and allows us to also potentially save money in travel costs for this event. 21:22:43 +1 21:22:53 I would like to propose that we do vote on the ticket tonight, and then leave the final, concluding vote to mhroncok, so if he replies tomorrow, we can move forward with the event without delaying two weeks. 21:22:54 21:24:32 I agree, but I also think that in the future it's much better to ask the event owner about the budget/plans in advance :( 21:24:51 nmilosev: + 21:25:04 nmilosev: I also agree, but I also understand Jona's position in that she filed the ticket as soon as she received confirmation she was a speaker. 21:25:22 yes, event owner was my main concern here especially after comment from JacobCZ 21:25:38 It just so happened we got that news about the speaking arrangement at a time that made it a tight fit for our meeting slot. 21:25:41 jflory7, yes, conferences tend to let speakers know way too late about being accepted 21:26:06 But given the choice that we have now to potentially save two weeks on the booking process, I really do feel we should cast a vote tonight. 21:26:08 And what about voting this as an exception because we're short of time but strongly highlighting that is a rare exception? Maybe we can add a line somewhere with a warning for similar cases? 21:26:17 jflory7: I can show you some event pages from emea there is not known if the submitters become speaker but the event owner knows it 21:26:43 What kind of ticket are we talking about? Can you please fill me in? :) 21:26:57 giannisk, ticket is #652 21:27:06 * giannisk is checking. 21:27:09 gnokii: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I really do think we are both in agreement here. 21:27:09 https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/652 21:27:10 giannisk: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/652 21:27:43 jflory7: I mean you can tell the event owner when you submit 21:27:48 gnokii: I'm referring to making the best choice that we can based on the information we have now. 21:27:49 Thanks fellas, so what's the problem here? 21:28:22 giannisk, to keep it short 21:28:36 We don't know the budget (transitioning period FY2018) 21:28:37 I would just like for us to put this ticket to vote tonight, with the tentative agreement that the end result is dependent on mhroncok's vote in the ticket. 21:28:53 Event owner (mhroncok) didn't confirm the budget 21:29:14 Also, we have information that it probably won't be enough (from JacobCZ) 21:29:17 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PyCon_SK_2017 21:29:35 Is mhroncok the event owner? I see only jonatoni on that wiki page. 21:30:25 He was last year. 21:30:28 giannisk: He is. There was an earlier context where he had told someone on Telegram that he would not have the budget for another person to attend, but this is without the context of the budget discussion we had in the meeting. 21:30:52 ^ and that's why we postponed 21:31:02 The case I am making is that we vote now, mhroncok has a chance to read the logs and see what we discussed, and then put his vote in the ticket. 21:31:11 Shall we vote one more time than? 21:31:17 (a) Postpone 21:31:18 The alternative is delaying our vote, waiting for mhroncok, and then we vote on 15 Feb. 21:31:23 (b) Vote now 21:31:39 not again… we already had this… 21:31:46 b, still in the context that mhroncok puts final vote in the ticket... 21:32:00 a 21:32:01 I get the feeling that we tend to make things a bit more complicated than necessary. 21:32:02 fyi I have commented again at the ticket, updating the amount that I'm requesting 21:32:04 lupinix: The thing I'm trying to prevent here is waiting two weeks on booking a ticket and confirming a speaking engagement when we don't have to. 21:32:07 giannisk, :D yes 21:32:20 jflory7: yes but we already voted 21:32:23 The *end result* we get is the same, pending mhroncok's vote. 21:32:41 So, mhroncok is the event owner? But he's not on the wiki page. And I don't see any other funding requests for that event, either? 21:32:51 jflory7, but we are now voting without knowing what mhroncok (who is important for this event) has to say about it :( 21:32:54 How come we don't have enough money for the event? 21:32:57