20:01:05 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors 2011-10-19
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20:01:12 <cwickert> #meetingname EMEA Ambassadors 2011-10-19
20:01:12 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_2011-10-19'
20:01:29 <cwickert> #topic Role call
20:01:35 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:01:35 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:01:43 <sesivany> .fas eischmann
20:01:43 <zodbot> sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' <eischmann@redhat.com>
20:02:01 <shaiton> Kévin Raymond
20:02:01 <elad661> .fasinfo elad
20:02:11 <zodbot> elad661: User: elad, Name: Elad Alfassa, email: el.il@doom.co.il, Creation: 2008-10-30, IRC Nick: elad661, Timezone: Asia/Jerusalem, Locale: en, Extension: 5117711, GPG key ID: 66D5EF15, Status: active
20:02:13 <zoltanh7211> .fas zoltanh721
20:02:15 <zodbot> elad661: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fedora cvsl10n web gitfedora-web ambassadors packager fedorabugs cla_fpca gitfedora-ux designteam
20:02:19 <zodbot> zoltanh7211: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
20:02:47 <pandaconstantin> Hi everyone
20:04:03 <cwickert> anybody else?
20:04:08 <gnokii> me
20:04:12 <cwickert> gnokii, rsc: are you here
20:04:16 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:04:16 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:04:19 <cwickert> haha, speaking of the devil ;)
20:05:01 <cwickert> alright, let's get started
20:05:07 <hno> .fasinfo hno
20:05:08 <zodbot> hno: User: hno, Name: Henrik Nordström, email: henrik@henriknordstrom.net, Creation: 2008-05-13, IRC Nick: hno, Timezone: Europe/Stockholm, Locale: en, Extension: 5104842, GPG key ID:  5459E75E90C039CC33DB, Status: active
20:05:12 <zodbot> hno: Unapproved Groups: fedora-arm
20:05:16 <zodbot> hno: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done packager fedorabugs gitarm ambassadors cla_fpca
20:05:18 <cwickert> the agenda for today's meeting can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-10-19
20:05:46 <cwickert> to make things easier for all of us, please follow the meeting protocol from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol
20:05:48 <cwickert> thanks
20:05:54 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
20:06:00 <cwickert> I have some
20:06:52 <cwickert> #info The F16 media meeting took place and we agreed that the media will be produces in Czech. You can now file media requests in the swag tracker at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/
20:07:43 <cwickert> #info We need to plan the media distribution, please speak up if you can help us by distributing media for other ambassadors in your local communities
20:08:19 <cwickert> #info We also need to collect data on how we spent media in the F14 and F15 cycle, details to come by mail to ambassadors-list
20:08:58 <cwickert> #info We are 5 days past the F16 release events deadline. Submit your events NOW at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F16_release_events
20:09:07 <cwickert> ok, that's it from me, anybody else?
20:09:48 <pandaconstantin> I do not know if it is the place here ....
20:09:58 <cwickert> pandaconstantin: go ahead
20:10:23 <pandaconstantin> I would like to organize my first event
20:10:40 <cwickert> pandaconstantin: ok, lets do this later in the events topic, ok?
20:10:42 <pandaconstantin> Can I still submit a ticket
20:10:52 <pandaconstantin> oki
20:11:00 <cwickert> alright, any more announcements?
20:11:04 <cwickert> nobody?
20:11:35 <zoltanh7211> go on cwickert
20:11:36 <cwickert> ok, then, on we move...
20:11:40 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:11:58 <cwickert> please take a look at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:12:21 <t2hot> meeting?
20:12:27 <cwickert> yes, t2hot
20:12:40 <t2hot> .fas t2hot
20:12:40 <zodbot> t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' <twohotis@gmail.com>
20:12:40 <cwickert> gnokii: what about item #9, "FAmSCo Coordinate Media/Swag/Poster artwork with Design team"
20:13:17 <cwickert> gnokii: I mean, I am not FAmSCo, you are not FAmSCo, but do you know anything about the status?
20:13:35 <cwickert> the media artwork is nearly finished
20:13:42 <cwickert> anything else we need?
20:13:47 <gnokii> the status of the media, u know self. Alexander made u a proposal
20:13:55 <t2hot> ?
20:13:59 <cwickert> yeah, this will do
20:14:04 <cwickert> is there a F16 release events poster?
20:14:19 <gnokii> do we need some?
20:14:23 <cwickert> sure
20:14:25 <zoltanh7211> !
20:14:29 <gnokii> ok
20:14:50 <cwickert> #action gnokii to take care we get a F16 release events poster (template)
20:15:01 <cwickert> first t2hot, then zoltanh7211 please
20:16:45 <cwickert> t2hot: still there?
20:17:02 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: I suggest you speak first
20:17:18 <zoltanh7211> Please pay attention of the resolution and the size please provide different sizes
20:17:20 <zoltanh7211> ok
20:17:22 <zoltanh7211> eof
20:17:36 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: what do you need?
20:18:23 <zoltanh7211> SVG and if possible for base and PDF's for printing
20:18:40 <t2hot> ?
20:18:43 <zoltanh7211> sadly here the print shop doesn't accepts SVG
20:19:32 <zoltanh7211> also if possible I would like to add some tshirt designs
20:19:58 <zoltanh7211> eof
20:20:03 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: pdf should be fine I guess, right?
20:20:08 <zoltanh7211> yep
20:20:11 <cwickert> ok
20:20:23 <cwickert> as for t-shirts, I think this is a different issue
20:20:43 <cwickert> t-shirt design should not be release specific
20:20:59 <cwickert> and we need budget etc
20:21:16 <hno> event specific ones may be obviously. But not very common.
20:21:24 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: file a ticket, get a quote etc. if you like shirts. or start by asking on the mailing list
20:21:31 <cwickert> t2hot: your turn
20:21:34 <zoltanh7211> thanks
20:22:34 <t2hot> Can we have a link to the sleeve designs?
20:22:45 * cwickert looks
20:23:14 <cwickert> http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora16/media-artwork/
20:23:15 <zoltanh7211> and also for lightscribe designs? (sorry)
20:23:52 <sesivany> !
20:24:01 <cwickert> #action cwickert to tell the design that we need lightscribe labels, too
20:24:02 <t2hot> eof
20:24:12 <cwickert> sesivany: your turn
20:24:13 <t2hot> ?
20:24:49 <sesivany> cwickert: when do you think the final artwork of sleeves will be available? that's something I need to provide to Diskus earlier.
20:25:39 <cwickert> sesivany: don't know, but I suggest you already send them some of the drafts and ask if this is ok for them or if they require changes
20:26:00 <cwickert> I mean, the layout will not change, e.g. the dimensions
20:26:29 <cwickert> sesivany: by when do you need the final artwork?
20:26:33 <sesivany> cwickert: yes, they say it's ok, but they also say it's always better to send the artwork earlier just in case there is any problem.
20:26:47 <cwickert> sesivany: alright
20:26:49 <sesivany> 2 weeks before production would be ideal
20:26:53 <cwickert> ok, cool
20:27:01 * nb just sent the latest drafts to jsmith for his approval (of multiarch live and multiarch install
20:27:09 <cwickert> t2hot: your turn
20:27:12 <sesivany> eof
20:27:12 <nb> that's what FAmNA is using for F16
20:27:53 <t2hot> I was gonna ask what lightscribe is ... and if any designs have been done for that before (as per ambassadors)?
20:28:34 <cwickert> t2hot: yes, we had lightscribe in the past, it's in the wiki and will be in the wiki for F16 too, once we have the final design
20:28:34 <cwickert> ok?
20:28:50 <t2hot> eof
20:28:51 <hno> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightscribe
20:29:09 <cwickert> thanks hno
20:29:22 * cwickert missed that part of t2hot's question
20:29:32 <cwickert> anything else on artwork?
20:29:58 * shaiton has to leave, sorry. Gonna read the log
20:30:21 <cwickert> ok, then lets continue with the schedule...
20:30:28 <cwickert> DONE - "FAmSCo and Regional Teams Call for Release Events"
20:30:31 * t2hot asks for the link to the lightscribe wiki design
20:31:18 <cwickert> t2hot: last time we had it was with F14, see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MediaArt/F14#Disc_Label_Artwork_.28LightScribe.29
20:31:30 <cwickert> question answered?
20:32:14 <cwickert> moving on with the schedule...
20:32:18 <cwickert> DONE: Regional Teams Plan Regional Logistics for Release Events & File Budget Requests
20:32:36 <cwickert> I mean, there is not much left to do there, right?
20:33:13 * cwickert doesn't think so and wants to move on
20:33:17 <cwickert> DONE: Release Event Submission Deadline
20:33:34 <cwickert> but I suggest to extend the deadline by one week
20:33:42 <zoltanh7211> I agree
20:33:43 <cwickert> so it will end in 2 days
20:33:48 <elad661> +1
20:33:55 <sesivany> +1
20:34:16 <hno> +1 even if not sure why there is a deadline.
20:34:33 <cwickert> #agreed to extend the Release Events submission deadline by one week to Friday 21st
20:35:11 <cwickert> hno: because we need to start planing. you can still start planing your release event, but we cannot guarantee you get all the support you need
20:35:33 <cwickert> and now we come to 2 interesting items
20:35:36 <cwickert> FAmSCo Review Budget Allocations
20:35:43 <cwickert> I have no idea if this has happened
20:36:01 <cwickert> I can only say that FAmSCo reviewed the budget for EMEA media
20:36:04 <cwickert> but that's all I know
20:36:49 <cwickert> #action cwickert to nag FAmSCo about the reviews of budget allocations (deadline is due)
20:37:02 <cwickert> and another interesting thing is coming up
20:37:08 <zoltanh7211> !
20:37:08 <cwickert> FAmSCo elections!
20:37:26 <cwickert> as you all see, things are not working properly in FAmSCo
20:37:49 <cwickert> but I am sure we have enough talented and ambitious people to improve this
20:38:09 <cwickert> so if you want to run for FAmSCo in the next election, get prepared NOW :)
20:38:27 <cwickert> don't know when the elections will take place
20:38:27 <Affix> sorry I'm late
20:38:39 <cwickert> but the irc townhalls should happen until the end of this month
20:39:02 <cwickert> #cwickert to nag FAmSCo about FAmSCo elections and townhals
20:39:12 <cwickert> #undo
20:39:12 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0xb38c310>
20:39:15 <cwickert> #cwickert to nag FAmSCo about FAmSCo elections and townhalls
20:39:23 * cwickert hates typos in the meeting summary ;)
20:39:29 <zoltanh7211> :)
20:39:36 <cwickert> any questions about the elections?
20:39:49 <cwickert> who would you like to run for FAmSCo?
20:40:05 <cwickert> how about you, zoltanh7211? I'd like to see you in FAmSCo
20:40:11 <zoltanh7211> I woulld like to run for one famsco chair
20:40:16 <cwickert> cool
20:40:21 <zoltanh7211> I'll try it again
20:40:30 <cwickert> I am sure you'll make it
20:40:37 <zoltanh7211> and have an meeting at here at BUD
20:40:42 <zoltanh7211> at december
20:40:46 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: I think you had another question, right=
20:40:47 <cwickert> ?
20:41:34 <zoltanh7211> We will be informed about timing and who will lead the questionary?
20:41:47 <cwickert> I think we will
20:42:00 <cwickert> but we need to have someone who is going to organize all this
20:42:16 <cwickert> and it should be someone who is not running for FAmSCo himself
20:42:16 <zoltanh7211> last time was little bit confusing and we had to look for else about organising
20:42:29 <zoltanh7211> yep
20:42:33 <zoltanh7211> eof
20:42:35 <cwickert> so who if you can help us with the elections?
20:43:23 <zoltanh7211> who has rights to lead such meeting like this
20:43:49 <cwickert> everybody, you just need to get op privileges in the channel, that's all
20:44:55 <cwickert> #action cwickert to ask for volunteers and candidates for the FAmSCo elections on ambassadors list
20:45:30 <cwickert> alright, that's all about the schedule
20:45:36 <cwickert> #topic Events
20:45:44 * shaiton is back
20:46:11 <cwickert> the list of events can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY12Q3
20:46:48 <cwickert> we have Linux Day 2011 in Italy coming up this weekend
20:47:13 <cwickert> giallu: I think you have everything you need, right?
20:47:30 <cwickert> if not, it's your problem because we cannot help you anymore ;)
20:47:41 * shaiton just noticed that he filled in APAC… I hate this page, so unreadable
20:47:55 <cwickert> next week there is Linuxinfotag Landau, everything is prepared as well
20:48:05 <cwickert> sesivany: what about LinuxAlt 2011?
20:48:17 <cwickert> hno: are you all set for FSCONS?
20:48:24 <sesivany> we still have LinuxCon before LinuxAlt
20:48:40 <cwickert> sesivany: its not in the table
20:48:48 <rsc> cwickert: except that Fedora 16 doesn't get released in time, we should be fine for FSCONS
20:48:52 <sesivany> LinuxCon is set, just the rollup banner is still in progress.
20:48:53 <hno> I hope so, but it's mainly on rsc table.
20:49:20 <sesivany> well, then someone removed it...
20:49:26 <cwickert> rsc: ?
20:49:33 <cwickert> ah, right
20:49:38 <cwickert> it has been delayed
20:49:44 <rsc> hno: USB sticks are on the way to Sweden, I think. Stickers, buttons and F15 media are brought by me. So anything open?
20:50:17 <cwickert> rsc: FSCONS is november 11-13, the release will happen on November 8th
20:50:35 <hno> I do not think so. Except maybe ask for a session to present F16 if possible.
20:50:59 <rsc> cwickert: yes. But will you be able to ship media till evening of 2011-11-10 to me or somebody in Sweden? Likely not...
20:51:03 <cwickert> hno: I think you should definitely do this
20:51:12 <cwickert> rsc: no, but you have usb keys, right?
20:51:27 <cwickert> you have Fedora 16, although you don't have media
20:51:31 <rsc> cwickert: I think jsmith sent them to Sweden, hno...to you?
20:52:05 <hno> There was talk about sending some to delhage but I am not sure if they have arrived.
20:52:25 <jsmith> No, they haven't arrived yet
20:52:26 <rsc> ah, maybe they are sent to delhage. However. One of you two.
20:52:44 * jsmith hasn't sent them
20:52:47 <jsmith> (yet)
20:53:11 <cwickert> ok, I really think we need to do some USB keys in EMEA anyway
20:53:22 <cwickert> sesivany: can you get a quote? I will get one, too
20:53:48 <cwickert> #action cwickert, sesivany and all other interested people to get quotes for USB keys ASAP
20:53:55 <sesivany> cwickert: in progress, first shot was 90 CZK for 2GB ones.
20:54:14 <sesivany> cwickert: they will send me a detailed calculation.
20:54:22 <cwickert> sesivany: that is hoe much in euro?
20:54:34 <hno> 3.61 says google.
20:54:40 <cwickert> hmm
20:54:42 <cwickert> alright
20:54:44 <shaiton> thats cheap
20:54:48 <gnokii> 17czk are 1 €
20:55:02 <sesivany> 1 € is about 25 CZK
20:55:19 <cwickert> ok, lets not discuss exchange rates :)
20:55:40 <sesivany> cwickert: we can have some done with the F16 media.
20:56:06 <cwickert> sesivany: yes, but we first need a quote
20:56:11 <cwickert> and photos please
20:56:17 <cwickert> pics or it didn't happen ;)
20:56:54 <cwickert> anything more on events?
20:57:02 <hno> USB sticks are not release specific. But should be suitably branded.
20:57:12 <sesivany> cwickert: http://www.itreklama.cz/kategorie/reklamni-usb-flash-disky/ - choose whichever you want ;)
20:57:32 <cwickert> hno: yes, that's the plan
20:57:48 <sesivany> cwickert: price varies according to type of USB a lot
20:58:05 <shaiton> !
20:58:13 <cwickert> sesivany: I cannot read czech :(
20:58:20 <cwickert> shaiton: yes please
20:58:28 <shaiton> we should think about selling them, using the french legal NPO ;)
20:58:49 <zoltanh7211> !
20:58:55 <shaiton> we just need to define that
20:58:56 <shaiton> eof
20:59:21 <cwickert> shaiton: I am not sure if this works. if RH pays for them and we sell them and give the money to the French NPO...?!
20:59:47 <shaiton> cwickert, the money will then be used for further production
21:00:05 <shaiton> (media, usb sticks… whatever EMEA would like)
21:00:43 <cwickert> shaiton: spot said we could try something like this but I am not sure if it works because it is RH sponsoring the NPO...
21:00:51 <cwickert> anyway, that's another topic
21:00:54 <cwickert> on we go....
21:01:02 <cwickert> #topic  Action items from previous meetings
21:01:15 * cwickert looks at the old meeting minutes
21:01:26 <cwickert> ok, looks good
21:01:37 <cwickert> IN PROGRESS: cwickert to make sure from now on we only get polos in the 'new' color because it matches the light blue on the Fedora logo
21:01:46 <cwickert> DONE cwickert to make a poll on the media meeting time and announce it
21:01:56 <hno> link?
21:01:58 <cwickert> DONE gnokii to nag the design-team about F16 media artwork
21:02:08 <cwickert> hno: it has already happened last week
21:02:22 <cwickert> didn't I send the minutes to the list?
21:02:59 <cwickert> there it is: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-10-13/emea_media_meeting.2011-10-13-21.46.html
21:03:17 <hno> Thanks
21:03:34 <cwickert> #action cwickert to send the media meeting minutes to ambassadors list
21:03:42 <cwickert> IN PROGRESS jsmith to send Fedora branded USB keys to delhage for fscons
21:03:43 <giallu> oops :) missed the meeting sorry guys
21:03:51 <cwickert> IN PROGRESS sesivany to get a quote for branded USB keys
21:04:01 <cwickert> IN PROGRESS cwickert to ask rel-eng how fast we can get the F16 ISOs
21:04:08 <cwickert> NOT DONE sesivany and cwickert to investigate the chance of having a FAD or Mini-FUDCon at the Brno developer conference
21:04:23 <cwickert> ok, overall we managed to get a lot of things done
21:04:31 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
21:04:34 <sesivany> !
21:04:44 <cwickert> giallu: are you set for LinuxDay?
21:04:51 <cwickert> sesivany: after giallu please
21:04:55 <giallu> cwickert, all set. thank you very much
21:05:01 <cwickert> alright, sesivany
21:05:14 <sesivany> to the Developer Conference...
21:05:40 <sesivany> I, jsmith, rbergeron and spot will have a meeting about funding on Monday.
21:05:48 <cwickert> alright
21:05:56 <cwickert> thanks for letting us know
21:06:04 <cwickert> ok, now open floor
21:06:06 <sesivany> then we will know more
21:06:16 <cwickert> everybody: tell us whatever you have in mind
21:06:18 <zoltanh7211> just a sidenote: last time when we made USB sticks - bunch of it was electrically broken
21:06:47 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: you mean they were not even found by the BIOS?
21:07:13 * jsmith has also seen keys that run extremely slow -- 10x slower than regular
21:07:21 <zoltanh7211> nope, the capacity was only partially usable
21:07:25 <cwickert> or nothing happened when they were plugged in? didnt they show up dmesg?
21:07:39 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: did you reformat them completely?
21:07:55 <zoltanh7211> yes - and still received only the half or the less
21:07:59 <cwickert> I have seen this, too
21:08:01 <zoltanh7211> from 2 G
21:08:34 <cwickert> this is mostly the chinese vendors selling old 1 GB sticks as 2GB
21:08:54 <cwickert> but we should have an eye on that
21:09:03 <cwickert> and speak with our vendor if it happens again
21:09:14 <gnokii> speak?
21:10:11 <zoltanh7211> go on gnokii
21:10:11 <giallu> he meant, "use a stick"
21:10:56 <cwickert> gnokii: yes, speak
21:11:17 <cwickert> giallu: well, our vendor then needs to beat up the Chinese
21:11:31 <gnokii> ooh, speak? meant here I dont speak with such a vendor again
21:11:48 <cwickert> I see
21:11:58 <cwickert> I am willing to give people a 2nd chance
21:12:06 <zoltanh7211> cwickert: is it possible to preload the iso's by the vendor or this blows up the costs?
21:12:06 <cwickert> anyway, more for open floor?
21:12:25 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: we'll figure that out
21:12:27 <gnokii> cwickert: got yesterday confirmations for ORR talks
21:12:42 <hno> Only a small request to try to link to previous meeting notes in the agenda.
21:13:09 <cwickert> gnokii: seen it already
21:13:18 <cwickert> gnokii will give a talk about Fedora
21:13:34 <cwickert> it's titled "Contribute or DIE!"
21:13:45 * cwickert is not sure if this is a good title
21:14:04 <cwickert> gnokii: please tell people that we are not killing our inactive ambassadors, ok?
21:14:36 <gnokii> :D
21:14:59 <cwickert> gnokii: we have other ways of punishment
21:15:12 <cwickert> like making people use Ubuntu for a week
21:15:36 <cwickert> alright, before it gets to funny here I'm going to end this meeting
21:15:48 <cwickert> in 3 minutes from now if nobody speaks up
21:18:43 <nb> cwickert, The ISO's can be obtained immediately following a successful go/no-go meeting
21:19:20 <cwickert> nb: cool
21:19:31 <cwickert> #endmeeting