20:00:16 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors 2011-12-28
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20:00:29 <cwickert> #meetingname EMEA Ambassadors 2011-12-28
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20:00:50 <cwickert> #topic Roll Call
20:00:53 <cwickert> .fas cwickert
20:00:57 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com>
20:01:04 <zoltanh7211> .fas zoltanh721
20:01:05 <zodbot> zoltanh7211: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' <hopparz@gmail.com>
20:01:58 <gnokii> .fas gnokii
20:01:59 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de>
20:02:10 <ardian> .fas ardian
20:02:11 <zodbot> ardian: n00b1 'Steven Toth' <dragondungeonguardian@hotmail.com> - guardian 'Stephan Kürpick' <guard@gmx.net> - dwreski 'Dave Wreski' <dwreski@guardiandigital.com> - gunma 'Mardian Gunawan' <gunawanmardian@gmail.com> - ardian 'Ardian Haxha' <ardian.haxha@gmail.com> - syahmare 'Andi Mardiansyah' <syahmare@gmail.com> - rmsc 'Renato Caldas' <seventhguardian@gmail.com> - juanma21mlg 'Juanma Ruiz' (1 more message)
20:02:20 <thunderbirdtr> .fas thunderbirdtr
20:02:21 <zodbot> thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
20:03:06 <cwickert> ok, lets wait 2-3 more minutes for people to join
20:04:10 <t2hot> .fas t2hot
20:04:11 <zodbot> t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' <twohotis@gmail.com>
20:04:16 <cwickert> welcome
20:04:41 <cwickert> ok, lets start
20:04:54 * t2hot waves at cwickert
20:04:57 <cwickert> the agenda for today's meeting can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-12-28
20:05:09 <cwickert> #topic Announcements
20:05:26 * cwickert thinks that zoltanh7211 has something to announce
20:05:39 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: about Fedora insight I mean
20:07:47 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: still with us?
20:08:12 <delhage> .fas delhage
20:08:13 <zoltanh7211> yeh
20:08:13 <zodbot> delhage: delhage 'Lars Delhage' <delhage@gmail.com>
20:08:44 <zoltanh7211> I would liek to announce that Fedora Insight is looking for help
20:09:04 <zoltanh7211> ambassadors to spread the word
20:09:12 <zoltanh7211> and later on fot testing
20:09:21 <zoltanh7211> writing articles
20:09:48 <zoltanh7211> as you know Fedora Insight can be out nest structure that serves us
20:09:50 * t2hot will brb
20:09:57 <delhage> ?
20:10:30 <cwickert> delhage: is that a question for zoltanh7211?
20:10:42 <zoltanh7211> that's why they are looking for help,
20:10:54 <delhage> cwickert: yeah, basically what it is but I googled
20:11:19 <zoltanh7211> and if you are experienced with drupal more than welcomed
20:11:21 <zoltanh7211> EOF
20:11:25 <cwickert> ok, for those of you who don't know Fedora Insight...
20:11:40 <cwickert> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight
20:11:50 <cwickert> it's a CMS for Fedora, based on Drupal
20:12:05 <cwickert> it is meant to host all the fedoracommunity.org websites one day
20:12:12 <cwickert> and to contain the event calendar
20:12:32 * cwickert can't wait to see this happen because the table in the wiki sucks
20:12:41 <zoltanh7211> and integrates an events module, swag inventory, and many more
20:12:58 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: what exactly can we do now?! what do you need help with? is there something to test?
20:13:53 <zoltanh7211> right know here is asrob - one of the devs, he could help to everybody to get more involved
20:14:09 <zoltanh7211> he holds the office hours too
20:14:19 <zoltanh7211> he has also an sandbox
20:14:48 <zoltanh7211> and the Fudcon blacksburg will have an calendar module hacking session
20:15:14 <cwickert> alright, but is there anything we can do NOW?
20:15:23 <cwickert> or what skills do you need most?
20:16:40 <zoltanh7211> first, drupal modules hacking
20:17:13 <asrob> hey guys, just a few notes
20:17:22 <cwickert> this is not necessarily something that many people can do, is there something to get easily involved?
20:17:27 <cwickert> asrob: go ahead please
20:17:57 <asrob> 1. We need a themer who can help in theming, updating from drupal 6 to 7
20:18:25 <asrob> 2. a PHP/Drupal programmer who can help in FAS module porting from 6 to 7
20:19:06 <asrob> and a few testers who give some feedback
20:19:40 <cwickert> #info Fedora Insight team needs help, in particular a webdesigner to port a theme from Drupal 6 to 7 and a developer to port the FAS module. Testers are also welcome
20:19:43 <biertie> .fas biertie
20:19:44 <zodbot> biertie: biertie 'Bert Desmet' <bert@devnox.be>
20:19:45 <biertie> sorry I'm late
20:19:48 <cwickert> asrob: where can we test?
20:19:50 <asrob> e.g "A content submitting is too hard
20:20:22 <asrob> cwickert, http://insight02.dev.fedoraproject.org, that is the official
20:20:54 <cwickert> #info Fedora Insight test deployment at http://insight02.dev.fedoraproject.org
20:21:16 <cwickert> ok, I think that will lead to far for this meeting, we are still doing announcements
20:21:27 <zoltanh7211> eof go on cwickert
20:21:30 <asrob> sure, thanks cwickert
20:21:36 <zoltanh7211> thx
20:21:38 <zoltanh7211> asrob
20:21:43 <zoltanh7211> cwickert
20:21:45 <cwickert> zoltanh7211, asrob: can you write a mail with instructions and details to the ambassaors list?
20:22:10 <zoltanh7211> cwickert, yes - we will do it
20:22:11 <cwickert> asrob: you tell zoltanh7211 what you need most, he'll do the mail and keep in contact with the ambassadors
20:22:20 <asrob> got it
20:22:41 <cwickert> #action asrob and zoltanh7211 to write a mail about helping and testing Fedora Insight to ambassadors list
20:23:11 <cwickert> asrob: I'm looking forward to the session at Blacksburg, I am waiting for Insight desperately
20:23:34 <cwickert> biertie: I think you have something to announce, or should we wait until we have events as topic?
20:24:17 <biertie> cwickert: I think it's better to wait :-)
20:24:19 <cwickert> one more announcement from me
20:24:41 <cwickert> #info FAmSCo meeting at 22:00 UTC here in this channel, join us
20:24:46 <cwickert> ok, lets move on
20:25:06 <cwickert> more announcements anybody?
20:25:35 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors Schedule
20:25:42 <cwickert> the schedule can be found at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html
20:25:56 <cwickert> there is nothing to do atm, but that doesn't meant we get bored
20:26:29 <cwickert> we can start with things for F17 or do something completely different
20:26:51 <cwickert> #topic Events
20:26:57 <cwickert> ok, biertie, your turn
20:27:04 <cwickert> tell us about FOSDEM
20:27:13 <biertie> so, like you probably all know FOSDEM is almost back
20:27:31 <biertie> the most awesome event for geeks and nerd who care about open source development if you ask me
20:27:49 <biertie> it's time to start ordering tickets and book the hotel :>
20:27:49 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2012
20:28:00 <biertie> I think I can get something from the hotel, but not sure yet
20:28:09 <cwickert> biertie: ?
20:28:17 <biertie> yes cwickert ?
20:28:20 <cwickert> which hotel?
20:28:29 <cwickert> and what?
20:28:41 <cwickert> in the past, many people stayed at the Renaissance
20:29:27 <biertie> Renaissance Brussels
20:29:30 <biertie> yes, that hotel
20:29:42 <biertie> and I'll see what I can get, 5euro less, or free something something
20:29:48 <biertie> but I don't promise anything
20:29:51 <cwickert> Free wifi please
20:29:53 <biertie> I'm just going to ask
20:30:00 <biertie> yeah, I was thinking about that too
20:30:15 <biertie> we order like 8 rooms every year or more, so they should give it to us :-)
20:30:23 <cwickert> ok, I'm probably going to stay in another hotel
20:30:41 <biertie> poor you ;-)
20:30:53 <biertie> anyway, on saturday I'm planning a visit to brussels
20:30:56 <biertie> during the evening
20:30:57 <cwickert> I don't like the Renaissance
20:31:17 <cwickert> and it's a little far off from the center and the FOSDEM, too
20:31:17 <biertie> and those that stay on sunday evening can go watch the super bowl at an american hotel
20:31:30 <biertie> but you need 'tickets' to get there. first come, first serve :-)
20:31:43 <biertie> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fosdem_2012_Super_Bowl
20:31:57 <cwickert> #info FOSDEM approaching fast, more details in the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2012
20:32:11 <biertie> and of course, also on friday the FAD :-)
20:32:17 <biertie> I think that's all
20:32:19 <cwickert> good point
20:32:29 <cwickert> not all, I have something, too
20:32:37 <biertie> ok, go
20:32:45 <cwickert> there will be a session about ambassador projects of different distributions
20:32:51 <cwickert> as part of the FOSDEM
20:33:03 <gnokii> can be a box fight
20:33:03 * cwickert and kital will be there for Fedora
20:33:17 <cwickert> gnokii: we didn't invite Jos ;)
20:33:32 <biertie> cwickert: ok, cool !
20:33:51 <gnokii> cwickert: with him have no problem the problem is kostas
20:33:52 <cwickert> Jos is a good guy and an incredible community manager, but if we let him talk, the session is over before anybody else can talk
20:34:16 <cwickert> the idea is that every distribution has 5-10 minutes to introduce their ambassadors program
20:34:30 <cwickert> and then a bit of discussion, so we all can learn from different distributions
20:34:39 <cwickert> what works and what needs to be impreoved etc
20:34:53 <cwickert> ok, and now lets get back to the FAD for a moment
20:35:04 * cwickert will arrive not before 14:00 on Friday
20:35:21 <cwickert> one thing I'd like to discuss at the FAD is planning for 2012
20:35:26 <cwickert> events, who will go there etc
20:35:33 <cwickert> I want all EMEA events covered
20:35:52 * delhage is hoping to go
20:35:58 <biertie> #info FOSDEM fad is happening too -> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_FOSDEM_2012 try to get all EMEA event's covered
20:35:59 <cwickert> after the FAD I want to have a list of events where Fedora will be in 2012 and an event owner for all events
20:36:17 <cwickert> biertie: already added that point to the agenda ;)
20:36:35 <biertie> oops :)
20:36:57 <cwickert> it looks like we could need more people at Brussels
20:37:03 <cwickert> delhage: will you come?
20:37:24 <biertie> yeah, I should have started a bit earlier with the organization of everything
20:37:24 <delhage> cwickert: I hope so but it depends on work
20:37:28 <cwickert> currently we only have https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2012_Attendees and for booth service it's even less, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2012_Booth_Attendance
20:37:29 <biertie> but it's not to late yet :-)
20:37:53 <cwickert> so I want more people there, but on the other hand I cannot promise sponsoring
20:37:55 <delhage> cwickert: probably late friday evening
20:37:57 <biertie> I should remove the booth service. nobody cares about that list.. fedora people come and go al the time ;-)
20:38:08 * delhage doesn't need sponsoring
20:38:35 <cwickert> there was an unwritten rule in the past: Fedora will not sponsor people for FOSDEM
20:38:50 <cwickert> It's not that strict any longer, but we will decide on an individual basis
20:38:52 <biertie> I should talk to jsmith about fosdem I think for some details
20:39:03 <cwickert> if you need sponsoring, please apply for it as usuall
20:39:11 * delhage will sponsor himself ;)
20:39:18 <cwickert> biertie: he has just joined...
20:39:18 <biertie> delhage is a cool guy ;-)
20:39:24 <cwickert> delhage: so will I
20:39:39 * jsmith is finally back online (for a few minutes)
20:41:03 <cwickert> #info We need/want more people for FOSDEM, but we cannot sponsor anybody. sponsoring is granted individually per person, please apply following the regular process if you need funding
20:41:42 <cwickert> #info FOSDEM is a developers event, but we also want ambassadors there for our FAD on Friday. We'll do a lot of planning for 2012
20:41:51 <cwickert> ok, anything more about FOSDEM?
20:42:36 <biertie> not immediately , will come back next week with more news and details
20:43:13 <cwickert> ok
20:43:34 <cwickert> #info biertie is event owner for FOSDEM, nag him or cwickert if you need something
20:43:48 * cwickert looks at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events
20:43:55 <cwickert> t2hot: what about IDLELO?
20:43:55 <biertie> just nag cwickert , that easier for me ;-)
20:44:31 <t2hot> cwickert: I have concluded on my cost estimates.  Will file tickets right after this meeting
20:45:20 <t2hot> cwickert: summary, I will be there
20:45:48 <cwickert> t2hot: what about a booth?
20:46:27 <t2hot> The organizer I was talking to said we get more information about booth space and requirements after the payment
20:46:37 <cwickert> t2hot: and please file your ticket right after the meeting and add the "meeting" keyword, so we can discuss it at 22:00 UTC
20:46:57 <t2hot> But I suppose we're going for the 2m x 2m size
20:47:00 <cwickert> well, is it possible to get a booth for 500? even if it's just a table and 2 chairs
20:47:11 <cwickert> even if it's smaller, I think we should do it
20:47:11 <t2hot> That's the one
20:47:20 <cwickert> ok, consider it approved ;)
20:47:37 <t2hot> np
20:47:39 <t2hot> eof
20:47:46 <cwickert> #info Fedora will be at IDLELO, t2hot is the event owner
20:48:03 <cwickert> #action t2hot to create a wiki page for IDLELO
20:48:10 <cwickert> or is there one already?
20:48:36 * t2hot does not recall seeing any of such
20:50:00 <cwickert> t2hot: do you know about Arthur?
20:50:07 * cwickert would like to sponsor him, too
20:51:02 <t2hot> t2hot: He contacted me first
20:51:22 <cwickert> ok, please try to sort this out. tell him to file a ticket and state his costs, too
20:51:32 <cwickert> anything else on IDLELO?
20:51:37 <t2hot> Will do
20:51:44 <cwickert> gnokii: now it's out turn, CLT is next up
20:52:01 <gnokii> out?
20:52:07 <cwickert> s/out/our
20:52:14 * cwickert is clumsy
20:52:32 <cwickert> ok, there is CLT in March
20:52:48 <cwickert> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chemnitzer_Linuxtage_2012
20:53:22 <cwickert> gnokii: you are not on the list
20:53:27 <gnokii> yes
20:53:35 <cwickert> #info we need more people for CLT, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chemnitzer_Linuxtage_2012
20:53:48 * cwickert is not in the list either :)
20:53:53 <cwickert> oops
20:54:01 <gnokii> cwickert: I did me not add because, there is a limit for the booth
20:54:24 <delhage> ?
20:54:39 <cwickert> gnokii: yes, I will not fall under this limit because I am a speaker
20:54:45 <cwickert> same for you I guess
20:55:15 <gnokii> yes, but how u know u will be ;)
20:55:35 <cwickert> delhage: your turn
20:55:47 <delhage> is CLT mostly a german speaking event?
20:56:02 <biertie> if I can answer
20:56:13 <gnokii> delhage: mostly, there are only a few talks in english
20:56:29 <delhage> ok
20:56:41 <cwickert> delhage: yes, people hardly understand English
20:57:00 <cwickert> and in fact you hardly understand the German they speak there
20:57:05 <delhage> heh
20:57:06 <cwickert> ask gnokii :P
20:57:10 <gnokii> that is not the reason
20:57:34 <cwickert> well, it's in the eastern part, people didn't have English lessons in scholl until 1990
20:57:47 <cwickert> eastern part of Germany that is
20:57:47 <gnokii> cwickert thats not true ;)
20:58:18 <cwickert> anyway, people there don't understand English nor speak proper German. period :P
20:58:38 <cwickert> but it's a lovely event and Fedora will be sponsoring it
20:58:46 <cwickert> and we'll have a track with talks there
20:59:01 <cwickert> gnokii: we need to get things done with kital
20:59:02 <gnokii> do we?
20:59:08 <cwickert> gnokii: I think si
20:59:10 <cwickert> so
20:59:18 <cwickert> the sponsoring was approved
20:59:23 <cwickert> so they owe us something
20:59:44 <cwickert> gnokii: can you send the mail you drafted to ambassadors list?
20:59:46 <gnokii> so u will get  4 talks granted
20:59:53 <cwickert> I hope so
21:00:15 <cwickert> #action gnokii, cwickert and kital to get together for CLT
21:00:26 <cwickert> action gnokii to send a mail about CLT to the list
21:00:30 <gnokii> its a little bit late when u like to use the cfp of clt the deadline is the 6th
21:00:31 <cwickert> #action gnokii to send a mail about CLT to the list
21:00:47 <cwickert> ok, then we need to get it done ASAP
21:01:08 <cwickert> send the mail after the meeting, I know you have written it already
21:01:25 <cwickert> lets have a private chat about this after this meeting, ok?
21:01:56 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: thanks for your release event, awesome work, I have seen the photos
21:02:12 <gnokii> ok
21:02:15 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, You're Welcome
21:02:30 <cwickert> #info thunderbirdtr hosted https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F16_Tokat last week, great success
21:02:43 <cwickert> ok, I think that's all for events
21:02:54 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: did you file the ticket for reimbursement already?
21:03:09 <delhage> hm, Chemnitz, is that was was used to be called Karl Marx Stadt?
21:03:14 <biertie> speaking of which, I think I have some cool ideas for fedora 17 release parties ;-)
21:03:15 <ardian> !
21:03:19 <cwickert> delhage: exactly
21:03:22 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, First I need wait a little for confirm from Paypal
21:03:37 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: ok, if you can wait, that's fine
21:03:38 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, Then I will add all  for ticket
21:03:55 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, Still I have money :))
21:04:00 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: when you file the ticket, assign it to cwickert and add the "meeting" keyword, so we deal with it ASAP
21:04:05 <gnokii> delhage: yes it was called once so
21:04:08 <ardian> cwickert, ?
21:04:11 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, Done
21:04:18 <cwickert> ok, I think it's ardian's turn
21:04:35 <ardian> We had our big Software Freedom conference in Kosovo
21:04:47 <cwickert> ardian: pics or it didn't happen ;)
21:04:53 <cwickert> just kidding
21:04:57 <ardian> I am writing the article :p
21:05:01 <ardian> and I also have pics
21:05:04 <cwickert> ok, cool
21:05:07 <ardian> we had a booth
21:05:17 <delhage> ?
21:05:21 <cwickert> please post everything to the list and planet.fedoraproject.org
21:05:23 <ardian> It went awesome we had f15 media and some laptops
21:05:26 <ardian> with f16
21:05:32 <cwickert> and possibly also to facebook, google+ and so on
21:05:36 <ardian> yes of course
21:05:49 <ardian> the most amazing thing for them was gnome 3 in fedora
21:05:52 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, ?
21:06:07 <ardian> that's all from me I will do the report asap with pic xD
21:06:36 <delhage> would a person who only speak rudimentary german have any fun at CLT? (/me tries to decide going there)
21:06:37 <cwickert> #info when you have done a successful event, please speak about it. Send event reports to the mailing list, tp planet.fedoraproject.org and make noise at Facebook or Google+. the more, the better
21:07:12 <cwickert> delhage: you would definitely have fun, but I am not sure if you could help us at the booth
21:07:21 <delhage> cwickert: ok
21:07:52 <gnokii> cwickert is ok, I had the 2 last years always english speaking personal from czech
21:08:18 <delhage> maybe I'll brush up on Sachsisch or whatever it's called ;)
21:08:20 <cwickert> delhage: and travel is awful because its in the middle of nowhere. no airport for frequent flyers like you
21:08:35 <delhage> berlin and train?
21:08:45 <cwickert> delhage: I guess
21:08:54 <cwickert> or leipzig and train
21:09:04 <delhage> ok
21:09:05 <cwickert> ok, we could try to have some exotic Danish guy like delhage at CLT
21:09:10 <gnokii> or dresden
21:09:20 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: your turn
21:09:20 <delhage> swedish...
21:09:35 <cwickert> delhage: it's all the same for them anyway ;)
21:09:37 <delhage> bloody austrian ;)
21:09:40 <delhage> hehe
21:09:43 <cwickert> haha
21:10:21 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, If We written into fedora planet, This articles can they post automatically post in to Google+ Fedora page and Facebook page ?
21:10:32 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: nope.
21:10:51 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, Any possible to do ?
21:10:55 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: and to answer your private question about the label: You need to create a Fedora label first
21:11:02 <cwickert> I don't think it's possible
21:11:04 <cwickert> yet
21:11:31 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, done
21:11:32 * cwickert is not a social network guy
21:11:34 <cwickert> ok
21:11:42 <cwickert> I think that was all for events
21:11:49 <cwickert> #Action items from previous meetings
21:11:49 * delhage looks up cwickert on linkedin...
21:12:02 <cwickert> I have already gone through the list
21:12:18 <cwickert> and all action items of 2 weeks ago were taken care of
21:12:36 <cwickert> thanks to everybody for their work and time despite of the holidays
21:12:48 <cwickert> or was it *because* of the holidays? ;)
21:12:50 <cwickert> anyway
21:12:56 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor
21:13:07 <cwickert> anything for open floor?
21:14:33 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes, if nobody has something for open floor...
21:15:26 <zoltanh7211> Nope I think
21:15:54 <cwickert> ok, let me ask you a question then
21:15:59 <cwickert> me=all of you
21:16:25 <cwickert> if you could name 3 things, what do you need most from FAmSCo?
21:17:14 <ardian> cwickert, maybe a better way to help sponsore people that need visas
21:17:23 <thunderbirdtr> :))
21:17:23 <cwickert> hahaha
21:17:28 <ardian> you know the problems we had  :P
21:17:38 <cwickert> ardian: sorry I am laughing
21:17:52 <cwickert> you know, I really tried my best this summer
21:18:00 <cwickert> but there is nothing I can do
21:18:07 <ardian> yes cwickert  you did a looooot
21:18:10 <cwickert> or that FAmSCo can do
21:18:14 <ardian> really thanks :$
21:18:21 <cwickert> because we are dealing with German officials
21:18:33 <cwickert> and these people can be very strange sometimes
21:18:43 <cwickert> this is outside of what FAmSCo can do, really
21:18:51 <gnokii> mmh, thats the part the western can not deal with :D
21:18:58 <cwickert> ardian: how long is your visa valid?
21:19:11 <ardian> it was valid only for the LinuxTag days
21:19:14 <ardian> 3-4
21:19:45 <ardian> and they gave it to me after I missed my flight :P
21:20:40 <cwickert> ardian: did you ever get back to them and complained?
21:20:55 <cwickert> I tried but they told me that only you can complain, not I
21:21:12 <ardian> yes I need to have a meeting with them
21:21:16 <cwickert> they denied that they had ever asked you for additional documents
21:21:22 <ardian> and I know they will only se we are sorry we were too busy
21:21:34 <cwickert> I was really angry with them, Fedora had to pay your flight
21:21:57 <gnokii> ?
21:21:57 <ardian> They mostly asked why a busniess visa
21:22:02 <cwickert> but they said that they were not allowed to give me more information
21:22:36 <cwickert> ardian: lets try to sort this out earlier this year, ok?
21:22:40 <cwickert> gnokii: your turn
21:22:56 <ardian> cwickert, ok
21:23:09 <gnokii> ooh no sorry, I just wondering what u talk about
21:23:52 <cwickert> gnokii: basically nothing we need to discuss here
21:24:04 <cwickert> I tried to get a visa for ardian for LinuxTag
21:24:21 <cwickert> and the Germany Embassy approved it one day after LinuxTag had started :(
21:24:33 <cwickert> anyway, more things you need from FAmSCo
21:24:34 <cwickert> ?
21:24:53 <gnokii> so we do it next year better
21:25:20 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, Fast Shipments please :)
21:26:00 <cwickert> thunderbirdtr: again I'm afraid this is outside of FAmSCo's scope ;)
21:26:19 <cwickert> complain to the Turkish post or to your customs
21:26:48 <thunderbirdtr> cwickert, ok :))
21:27:16 <cwickert> ok, one more question from me to all attendees of these meetings
21:27:23 <cwickert> s/these meetings/this meeting
21:27:47 <cwickert> what do you think about the FAmSCo reports? are they helpful? do you read them?
21:29:35 <cwickert> still with me?
21:29:38 <zoltanh7211> famsco reports are necessary to be open towards for the community, but basically I think not many people are reading them
21:29:55 <cwickert> zoltanh7211: you are biased, you are a FAmSCo member ;)
21:30:01 <zoltanh7211> :)
21:30:21 <zoltanh7211> But I do :)
21:31:17 <cwickert> ok, I guess we should better ask this on the mailing list
21:31:23 <cwickert> there was some discussion already
21:31:28 <cwickert> I think we are done then
21:31:35 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes
21:32:46 * jsmith reads them as well
21:34:26 <cwickert> #endmeeting