20:01:20 #startmeeting EMEA Ambassadors 2012-01-25 20:01:20 Meeting started Wed Jan 25 20:01:20 2012 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:25 #meetingname EMEA Ambassadors 2012-01-25 20:01:26 The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_2012-01-25' 20:01:32 .fas gentt 20:01:33 gentt: gent 'Gent Thaçi' 20:01:39 #topic Roll Call 20:01:40 .fas thunderbirdtr 20:01:41 thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' 20:01:45 .fas cwickert 20:01:45 .fas gnokii 20:01:46 .fas dmaphy 20:01:46 cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' 20:01:48 .fas eischmann 20:01:49 .fas arthurbuliva 20:01:49 gnokii_: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' 20:01:52 .fas acaleechurn 20:01:53 .fas ib54003 20:01:54 dmaphy: dmaphy 'Dominic Hopf' 20:01:58 Sesivany: eischmann 'Jiri Eischmann' 20:02:02 arthurbuliva: arthurbuliva 'Arthur Buliva' 20:02:03 .fas misaakidis 20:02:07 acaleechurn: acaleechurn 'Amit Caleechurn' 20:02:08 10 people... 20:02:09 11 20:02:11 ib54003: ib54003 'Benedikt Schäfer' 20:02:14 .fas Constantin 20:02:15 Prometheas: misaakidis 'Marios Isaakidis' 20:02:18 come on, lets make it 15 :) 20:02:19 pandaconstantin: carmag 'carlos amguiña constantino' - patycons 'Patricia Constantino' - kconstan '' - violeta 'violeta constantinescu' - ehtelion 'Alexander Constantine' - constantinesa 'Soloviev Constantine' - cmm 'Constantin-Marius Moisescu' (3 more messages) 20:02:24 .fas jsmith 20:02:28 jsmith: jsmith 'Jared Smith' - mikejsmith11 'Mike J. Smith ' 20:02:33 jsmith: you are not EMEA :P 20:02:45 cwickert: I don't care -- I'm still gonna participate :-p 20:02:55 .fas zoltanh721 20:02:56 zoltanh7211: zoltanh721 'Hoppár Zoltán' 20:02:58 alright, quite a lot of people today, excellent 20:03:08 no need to wait, let's get started 20:03:23 this is the kind of attendance I want to see every meeting! :D 20:03:32 the agenda for today can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2012-01-25 20:03:49 please follow the meeting protocol from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol 20:03:56 #topic Announcements 20:04:05 I have one 20:04:08 .fas jreznik 20:04:09 jreznik: jreznik 'Jaroslav Reznik' 20:05:09 #info The deadline for talks for LinuxTag in Berlin in May ends today. you have 3 more hours to submit your talks at http://www.linuxtag.org/2012/en/program/call-for-papers-2012.html 20:05:37 gnokii_: have you thought about a talk? 20:05:58 I submitted one 20:06:01 we have 0 Fedora talks ATM 20:06:04 loooooong time ago 20:06:05 ok, then we have 1 :) 20:06:16 * cwickert thinks about submitting his postscreen talk 20:06:30 but there is nothing really specific to Fedora 20:06:34 and Marco reminded me to submit they from last year again 20:06:41 ok, any more announcements? 20:06:57 ! 20:07:04 yes Sesivany, go ahead 20:07:30 i just want to say that program of DevConf is out. 20:07:36 www.devconf.cz 20:08:07 KDE SIG FAD will take place there. 20:08:12 eof 20:08:24 #info Schedule for Red Hat Developer conference is available at http://www.devconf.cz 20:08:33 ok, any more announcements? 20:09:10 #topic Ambassadors schedule 20:09:16 the schedule can be found at http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-ambassadors-tasks.html 20:09:21 let's see... 20:10:00 according to the schedule there is nothing to do, but that doesn't mean we should become lazy 20:10:22 we can already prepare things that are scheduled later, but we are not in a hurry 20:10:33 #topic Events 20:10:47 biertie: are you there? I think you wanted to talk about FOSDEM 20:11:11 if not, I'll just quickly say something about Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 20:11:23 the schedule was announced yesterday 20:11:32 and we have a whole lot of Fedora talks 20:11:40 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chemnitzer_Linuxtage_2012#Speaker 20:12:02 I don't think we ever had this many talks on an event (other than FUDCon of course) 20:12:08 so this is definitely a good thing 20:12:19 the bad thing is: there will not be a FAD 20:12:27 this has 3 reasons 20:12:42 1. I suck and didn't have enough time to look after it 20:13:04 2. it turned out to be more difficult than we thought 20:13:16 and 3. We should not have FADs that are no FADs 20:13:26 I think I need to explain the last one a little 20:13:51 FAD means "Fedora Activity Day", this means you have a clearly defined goal you want to achieve 20:13:52 meeting on? 20:13:57 yes, t2hot 20:14:22 while giving talks is fine, it is definitely not a FAD 20:14:36 you may say this is just the wording and a question of marketing 20:14:40 .fas t2hot 20:14:41 t2hot: twohot 'Onyeibo Oku' 20:15:14 but it's more than that. at FUDCon Blacksburg we decided that we want to invest more money into real FADs to get things done (tm) rather than in promotion 20:15:20 jsmith: you want to add something? 20:15:44 if not, I'll just continue 20:15:58 cwickert: I did :-) 20:16:10 jsmith: about FADs I mean 20:16:17 A FAD isn't just about getting money to get to an event 20:16:26 A FAD should be about *getting work done* 20:16:30 +1 20:16:43 +1 20:16:44 In my experience, a successful FAD has one or two simple goals 20:16:51 and a plan for getting those goals accomplished 20:17:00 and only invites those people who help get the goal accomplished 20:17:13 +1 20:17:13 and the group reports back what they *did* and what they *learned* in the FAD 20:17:22 The unsuccessful FADs I've been to have been 20:17:41 "Let's get Joe and Larry and Curly to SuperHyperMegaEvent" 20:17:54 and they sit behind the booth 20:17:57 and that's it 20:18:04 We can (and must) do better 20:18:08 20:18:21 well said, jsmith. I think we should all keep this in mind and do "real work" more often 20:19:09 #info we should focus on doing more FADs where the focus is on a clearly defined goal rather than on talks 20:19:15 ok, back to CLT then 20:19:28 I think we have a strong presence there, stronger then ever before 20:19:38 we have the money we need and we will have a booth 20:19:45 so there is nothing to worry about 20:20:02 except that we don't have a "FAD" we could use for marketing 20:20:21 speaking of marketing: it is important that we blog about it, talk about it and so on 20:20:31 but other then that, FAD is just a term here 20:21:07 and I think having the talks as part of the tracks of CLT itself is a good thing because it shows our commitment to upstream 20:21:16 where "upstream" in this context is CLT 20:21:42 nevertheless I am going to discuss any marketing opportunities with the CLT organizers 20:21:47 gnokii_: does this work for you? 20:23:21 ok, lets move on 20:23:28 ! 20:23:33 go ahead 20:24:06 just one thing, CLT have a limit to booth personal, that is because of the costs of the social event 20:24:16 right 20:24:19 and the good thing is 20:24:26 now that we have so many speakers, we have slots left for booth personal :) 20:24:34 but except fabian we have all talks so we can have 2 more ppl at the booth 20:24:38 we have 2 or 3 seats left 20:25:35 #info we have 2 or 3 seats left at CLT for booth personal. if you want to join us and work at the Fedora booth, add yourself at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Chemnitzer_Linuxtage_2012#Booth_Personal 20:26:04 of course the usual rules for sponsoring event attendees apply as per http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees 20:26:14 ok, anything more about CLT? 20:26:31 no 20:26:42 Sesivany: I fully understand if you don't want to or can come. I think it doesn't make much sense if you are not a German native speaker 20:27:05 cwickert: ok 20:27:09 ok, lets see what more events we have coming up 20:27:16 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY12Q3 20:27:26 wrong link 20:27:32 cwickert: for booth service its ok I had last years prusnak and miska there, but there are not lot of talks in english 20:27:34 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY12Q4 is better 20:27:51 gnokii_: right, that's what Sesivany was concerned about 20:28:20 Sesivany: anything else on RH Developer Conference? are you all set? 20:29:02 cwickert: yes, well even have a fedora booth there. 20:29:35 cwickert: we already have some local nonredhat volunteers for that. 20:29:47 hi 20:30:00 Sesivany: ok, anything you need help with? 20:30:13 hi netSys, thanks for joining our meeting 20:30:36 hi elad661, thanks for joining our meeting :) 20:30:48 nice to see so many people, even if they are late 20:30:49 cwickert: not really, i just need to make rbergero respond :-) 20:30:52 welcome 20:30:53 sorry I'm late 20:31:00 Sesivany: ok, I have something on my mind 20:31:14 Sesivany: did you send kital media for CLT? I already gave away most of mine 20:31:38 elad661: I'm late too 20:31:46 cwickert: why sending them to kital? 20:31:47 cwickert: yep, i sent him media he asked for. 20:32:16 gnokii_: because he comes by car and asked for them 20:32:29 gnokii_: and because we are stupid 20:32:47 Sesivany: gnokii_ lives in Chemnitz, so send the next delivery to him ;) 20:33:10 cwickert: i still have quite a lot of media left if someone needs 20:33:36 cwickert: no problem, just file a ticket. 20:33:57 #info Sesivany still has F16 media, file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ and assign it to "eischmann" if you need some 20:34:12 ok, next event on the list is IDLELO 20:34:19 t2hot: this is yours 20:34:27 any news? did you create the wiki page? 20:34:47 we need to figure out how to do the payments ASAP 20:35:01 speaking of payments... 20:35:11 we are basically out of money :( 20:35:59 :( 20:36:07 according to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Architecture_expenses we have less than 6k USD left for regional support 20:36:14 I have no idea how this could have happened 20:36:40 and as a member of FAmSco I'd like to point out that I have no idea where the money went 20:36:57 ! 20:36:58 we will have a meeting with harish later today because we need more info 20:37:18 this means only very little money left until end of February 20:37:33 and thus we need to look into making the payments for IDLELO possible 20:37:37 arthurbuliva: go ahead 20:38:18 t2hit keeps going on and off. Epileptic connection maybe. cwickert to answer on his behalf, he had started creating a wiki page 20:38:20 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IDLELO_5 20:38:53 I don't know when he intends to complete it though 20:38:55 eof 20:39:04 arthurbuliva: ok 20:39:07 ! 20:39:32 I will try to make the payments for your plane ticket and everything else ASAP, but I need to look into the money thing first 20:39:41 arthurbuliva: I can book the ticket if it helps you 20:40:01 can you and t2hot please figure out how to make the payment to the IDLELO organizers? 20:40:42 cwickert: That will be fine. Book the ticket and I will ping t2hot for the info as soon as possible 20:41:14 arthurbuliva: ok, lets figure out the details for you in the trac ticket 20:41:21 hi t2hot, nice to see you 20:41:28 we are just talking about IDLELO 20:41:41 Though their website say that one can either deposit cash in some bank account or paY directly at the venue 20:41:49 * t2hot wonders what he missed ... i suddenly lost sync 20:41:57 * t2hot ... terrible network here 20:42:18 t2hot: you missed 2 things: we are basically out of money for regional support until end of February 20:42:35 wow 20:42:38 we have a little more than 5K USD left and I will try to reserve this money for IDLELO 20:42:56 yeah, really crazy, because we as FAmSCo have no idea where the money went 20:43:11 but we will get the numbers from harish today or tomorrow 20:43:20 and I will make sure you get your money 20:43:30 please make sure to finish the wiki page 20:43:57 #action t2hot to finish https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IDLELO_5 and provide details about payment for sponsoring in the trac ticket 20:43:58 you mean my bad news report didn't make it through? 20:44:09 oh, which one?! 20:44:10 cwickert: some mail cost seemed to me crazy but i was assured it couldnd be cheaper. 20:44:43 cwickert: (1) Frankice will be having his JAMB exams on the 24th, so his parents want him at home for that week 20:44:44 cwickert: especially the ones to africa. 20:44:47 Sesivany: the problem is not that we spent too much, the problem is that we don't know how we spent it. we have no figures other than the total 20:45:23 cwickert: (2) A close friend who organized the SFD on http://twohot.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/fedora-3/ passed on a few days ago. 20:45:53 cwickert: So I managed to get logo for IDLELO for the wiki from Seun (Who was also involved in the accident -- but survived) 20:46:02 t2hot: Sorry to hear about that :-( 20:46:08 oh my god 20:46:12 t2hot sorry 20:46:30 I'll sort the wiki out before end of weekend 20:46:51 t2hot: ok, if we can do anything to support you, please let us know 20:47:03 ok 20:47:16 I feel so sorry for you 20:47:50 I have heard other bad news recently, seems a lot of people have lost closed friends or family members 20:47:53 ? 20:48:32 so please bear with them if they don't respond to their Fedora duties as fast as they usually do 20:48:41 mmm 20:48:52 please keep in mind that they still have a real life and might have trouble there 20:49:04 remember, we are all volunteers 20:49:09 (mst of us :) ) 20:49:24 arthurbuliva: is your question about IDLELO? 20:49:29 6 of February, I will show about Fedora Project on my high school 20:49:41 morning and afternoon 20:49:46 cwickert yes it is somehow related 20:49:49 netSys_ hold on for e moment please 20:50:05 first arthurbuliva, then thunderbirdtr and then netSys, ok? 20:50:18 Sure.. 20:50:23 Go Ahead 20:50:26 question to t2hot What is the situation like in nigeria in regards to the recent riots? 20:51:28 this is a good question indeed. if the situation is not save, I don't want you to go, arthurbuliva 20:51:46 I'm afraid t2hot got disconnected, so lets sort this out by mail 20:51:57 thunderbirdtr: your turn 20:52:02 alright cwickert eof 20:52:40 I just check this budget list You should 60129 USD ? 20:53:00 Or It's not updated recently ? 20:53:14 thunderbirdtr: I was referring to "Regional Support" 20:53:44 the table on the top of the page says that we spent $74,735 of $80,000 20:53:56 but the details below don't make $74,735 20:54:31 I understood thank you 20:55:07 eof 20:55:17 if you sum up the regional support expenses from the different region, you get $54,190 20:55:41 this basically means FAmSCo doesn't know there the rest is 20:55:55 anyway, we will figure it out 20:56:05 Ok 20:56:20 harish is very busy, I guess he just hasn't had the time to update the details 20:56:33 netSys_: your turn now, please tell us about your event 20:56:39 ! 20:56:47 Southern_Gentlem: about budget? 20:56:52 nope 20:56:58 then wait please 20:57:06 one moment please 20:57:10 ok 20:57:43 on 6 of February I will make a show of Fedora Project on my high school for morning and afternoon 20:58:01 and day after I will celebrate a Fedora party installation 20:58:31 I had opened a ticket since a lot of time on EMEA ticket 20:58:48 but I haven't given a repy 20:58:51 reply* 20:58:58 netSys_ what number is it? 20:59:00 sorry, I'm spanish 20:59:03 np 21:00:53 netSys_: if you cannot find the ticket, just move on 21:00:59 let us know if you need something 21:01:20 netSys_: found it: https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/132 21:01:56 netSys_: please add the shipping address and some details about your event, especially the "latest delivery" 21:02:07 I will then send you 50 media and stickers ASAP 21:02:14 (tomorrow that is) 21:03:46 Southern_Gentlem: ok, your turn 21:04:40 Ok i took some time this week to clean up the Fedora events page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events 21:05:12 please take a look and i see discussion here at fedora events but i see none listed on the event list 21:05:46 what i did was archive the F11 to the past events page 21:05:47 Southern_Gentlem: which ones? 21:05:53 I will talk about Fedora Project, history, goals, values try to show others persons. Talk too about Fedora linux distribution including what is ti Fedora, Its history, the objective, things to promote, Fedora on other operative systems as BSD, SELinux integrity, who are can posisble make Fedora 21:06:10 netSys_: sounds great! 21:06:21 and more things 21:06:23 I think it would be good for each region to be responsible and archive past years once per year 21:06:26 after 21:06:30 next* 21:06:46 after day, I will make a Fedora Installation Party 21:06:59 Mt high school can help me with this 21:07:11 cwickert, i see no events for Emea into the new fiscal year 21:07:16 give me an ADSL...etc 21:07:42 I will make a cache server to .rpm packages 21:07:47 Southern_Gentlem: this is because our planing for 2012 will happen at FOSDEM next week 21:08:14 netSys_: sounds like you have a lot of work to do. :) let us know if we can help. 21:08:17 i only archived the FY11 stuff left Fy12 up 21:08:19 to made a fast installation and upgrade of Fedora on pc others want to install Fedora on their computers 21:08:29 #action cwickert to clean up EMEA events 21:08:41 cwickert, or someone else 21:08:42 netSys_: ok, when is your event? 21:08:52 6 of February 21:09:05 netSys_: ok, I will send the media tomorrow 21:09:12 how much do you need? 100 or 50? 21:09:18 coming soon, celebrate this event on other high schools too 21:09:30 ok, I'll send you 100 then 21:09:42 ok, thanks 21:09:45 ok, fine 21:09:56 cwickert, i also suggest maybe adding a column for trac # on the event page 21:09:59 just let me know if you need something. I have taken over the ticket 21:10:05 Southern_Gentlem: good idea 21:10:46 each region does things differently so use the wiki to advertise all events and organize best for the region 21:10:50 eof 21:10:59 make sense Southern_Gentlem 21:11:07 ok, I think that's it for events 21:11:12 ! 21:11:14 mmm the publicity as posters 21:11:26 as added on ticket 21:11:41 gnokii_: yes please 21:11:43 but I couldn't seen the posters designs 21:11:57 3 points for event 21:12:13 1st LinuxTag opened the call for projects 21:12:29 2nd Linux-Tage Graz called on tuesday 21:12:34 #action cwickert to submit Fedora to Linux-Tag 21:12:42 3rd LinuxWochen Vienna called also 21:13:04 cwickert: can u ask Gerold if he does Graz again? 21:13:22 for Vienna zoltanh7211 takes the hat 21:13:23 #info we need event owners for Linux-Tage Graz and LinuxWochen Vienna 21:13:32 zoltanh7211: is that correct? 21:13:49 gnokii_: can you please send a mail to the list in order to find event owners? 21:13:53 cwickert: yes - I take it agin 21:13:55 gain 21:13:59 again 21:14:10 cwickert: ok 21:14:10 #info zoltanh7211 is event owner of LinuxWochen Vienna 21:14:28 #action zoltanh7211 to create a wiki page about LinuxWochen Vienna 21:14:46 #action gnokii_ to send out an email about Linux-Tage Graz 21:14:57 thanks a lot gnokii_! 21:15:07 thx - gnokii 21:15:07 gnokii_: where do you have all these invitations from? 21:15:39 cwickert: u know I am an old guy in the Linux business and an journalist too ;) 21:15:53 and are involved in the most events also 21:15:55 cwickert: Can you send me official Fedora DVD, too? 1 piece is OK. 21:15:56 gnokii_: :) 21:16:21 gnokii: :) 21:16:28 kolle: we usually don't do this, but if you give me your address in /query, I'll take care of it 21:16:37 anything more on events? 21:17:07 FasoJUG will have an Install party 21:17:23 in the first week of feb. 21:17:54 We have already DVDs 21:17:57 pandaconstantin: I think I asked you to update the ticket for this event a while back 21:18:05 is https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ticket/80 still up to date? 21:18:12 and looking for room 21:19:16 No 21:19:34 pandaconstantin: are you all set or do you need something? 21:19:42 except a room of course :) 21:20:02 We need stikers 21:20:46 do you have a wiki page for your event? 21:20:54 I already received DVDs 21:20:59 it is hard to follow up on this if the tickets are not up to date 21:21:08 I don't think I can send you stickers in time 21:21:38 oki 21:21:56 No matter 21:22:05 pandaconstantin: when will the event take place? 21:22:11 May be for next event 21:22:21 I planned it in february 21:22:44 yes, but what day? 21:22:46 I will update wiki and our website according 21:22:58 ok, please let me know as soon as possible 21:23:11 but I don't think we can make something, shipping takes too long 21:23:33 let me take this opportunity to remind all of you of some guidelines for events 21:24:00 1. create a wiki page for the event with all details such as date, location, estimated attendance etc 21:24:15 2. file a ticket in the swag tracker and add a link to the wiki page 21:24:25 provide as much details as possible 21:25:07 Oki 21:25:23 ok, I think that's all 21:25:40 lets continue with the aganda 21:25:51 #topic Action items from previous meetings 21:26:09 I have looked at the previous meeting minutes from http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-12-28/emea_ambassadors_2011-12-28.2011-12-28-20.00.html 21:26:15 and the good news is 21:26:25 all action items are either done or in progress 21:26:27 hooray! 21:26:33 so we continue with 21:26:39 #topic Open Floor 21:26:46 anything for open floor? 21:27:19 about riots in Nigeria 21:28:15 these things happen mainly in the north although there has been isolated cases in the middle belt 21:28:58 t2hot I believe that this therefore means that Abuja is not affected? 21:29:16 following the news, one could avoid Nigeria all together ... but we have expatriates living in Nigeria 21:29:51 I have friends and relatives in Abuja 21:30:23 seeya 21:31:31 But its true that security is unpredictable anyways so its a risk 21:31:55 t2hot: so how does that influence IDLELO? 21:32:53 Well, I think I'll have to get back to Seun on that 21:33:19 t2hot: ok, just let arthurbuliva know the status 21:33:27 ok 21:33:34 ok 21:33:58 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes if there are no more questions 21:37:38 Good job chair cwickert. bye everyone 21:37:45 #endmeeting