20:16:01 <cwickert> #startmeeting EMEA ambassadors meeting 2011-08-24 20:16:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Aug 24 20:16:01 2011 UTC. The chair is cwickert. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:16:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:16:16 <cwickert> #meetingname EMEA ambassadors meeting 2011-08-24 20:16:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'emea_ambassadors_meeting_2011-08-24' 20:17:37 <cwickert> ping biertie, gnokii, kital, killefiz, ambassadors meeting 20:17:50 <cwickert> seems like not many people are around 20:18:19 * cwickert tries to ping more people in other channels 20:18:23 <ib54003> ;-) 20:18:34 <gnokii> ponng 20:19:10 <gentt> Sorry guys 20:19:15 <gentt> .fas gentt 20:19:16 <zodbot> gentt: gent 'Gent Thaçi' <gentthaqi@gmail.com> 20:20:05 <cwickert> #topic role call 20:20:10 <cwickert> .fas cwickert 20:20:10 <zodbot> cwickert: cwickert 'Christoph Wickert' <christoph.wickert@googlemail.com> 20:20:25 <ib54003> .fas ib54003 20:20:25 <zodbot> ib54003: ib54003 'Benedikt Schäfer' <benedikt@schaefer-flieden.de> 20:20:36 <gnokii> .fas gnokii 20:20:37 <zodbot> gnokii: gnokii 'Sirko Kemter' <buergermeister@karl-tux-stadt.de> 20:20:54 <cwickert> ok, at least four people 20:21:09 <cwickert> has my reminder come through on ambassadors-list? 20:21:35 <cwickert> I mean, I did send it, but I cannot find it anywhere 20:21:37 <gentt> cwickert, yep 20:21:48 <cwickert> ok, thanks for the confirmation 20:21:54 <gentt> It came with a wrong copy pasted date 20:21:54 <cwickert> gentt: the shirts have arrived, right? 20:22:10 <gentt> cwickert, yep, they did. they are sitting on my right secured! Thanks a lot 20:22:23 <cwickert> ok, you are welcome 20:22:31 <gnokii> yes was there but wrong date 20:22:47 <cwickert> as we are only a few people I'd like to make this a less formal meeting 20:22:55 <cwickert> no need for meeting protocol today 20:23:08 <cwickert> hi der-flo, hi hannes| 20:23:13 <hannes|> hi 20:23:21 <der-flo> hi cwickert 20:23:22 <cwickert> are you joining us for the ambassadors meeting? 20:23:47 <cwickert> do both of you already have a fas account? I think hannes| has one 20:23:47 <hannes|> just out of curiousity 20:23:48 <der-flo> yes, if there is no problem 20:23:55 <cwickert> der-flo: sure 20:24:03 <der-flo> yes i've got one 20:24:09 <hannes|> me too, just hannes 20:24:58 <cwickert> der-flo: what is it? 20:25:02 <der-flo> just flo 20:25:07 <cwickert> .fas flo 20:25:08 <zodbot> cwickert: jflorian4dart 'John Florian' <john_florian@dart.biz> - blackpaw 'Brendan Compton' <beeflog92@aol.com> - fmasuth 'Florian Masuth' <florian.masuth@googlemail.com> - frixxon 'Paul Flo Williams' <paul@frixxon.co.uk> - florian2603 'Florian Boehm' <florian-boehm@gmx.de> - flok 'Folkert van Heusden' <folkert@vanheusden.com> - free42s172e 'John Flower' <johngflower@actrix.co.nz> - fmuellner 'Florian Müllner' (3 more messages) 20:25:17 <cwickert> .fas hannes 20:25:18 <zodbot> cwickert: johannes 'Johannes Krackowizer' <root@rondra.mooo.com> - hannes '' <johannes.lips@googlemail.com> - jhs 'Johannes Schmid' <jhs@jsschmid.de> - jigmantao 'Johannes Scholten' <tyriana.schattensang@googlemail.com> - jreykdal 'Jóhannes Reykdal' <jreykdal@reykdal.is> - behle 'Johannes Tasch' <mr.jon@gmx.net> 20:25:37 <cwickert> maybe the two of you should have choosen something more uniq? ;) 20:26:17 <cwickert> #topic annoncements 20:26:44 <gentt> they should put their irc nick names on their fas account for identifying here! 20:27:21 <cwickert> info: I'd like to remind everybody of our event reporting guidelines. If you received sponsoring, please write an event report as outlined in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Event_reports 20:27:32 <cwickert> anyone more announcements? 20:27:42 <gentt> ? 20:27:48 <cwickert> go ahead gentt 20:27:56 <gentt> Our media got stuck in the customs 20:28:02 <gentt> and they are asking 150 eur 20:28:04 <gentt> or more 20:28:14 <gentt> consider it an announcement! 20:28:16 <gentt> :) 20:28:27 <cwickert> I don't think so, but anyway... 20:28:35 <gentt> anyway, sorry 20:28:43 <cwickert> #topic Media Shipping 20:29:06 <cwickert> gentt: did you remind them of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Customs_letter_for_Fedora_media ? 20:29:06 <hannes|> fwiw .fasinfo hannes just offers all things to identify me 20:29:15 <cwickert> hannes|: but too much 20:29:31 <gentt> cwickert, no 20:29:37 <gentt> I didn't know that this page existed 20:29:54 <cwickert> gentt: ok, remind them of the letter 20:30:05 <cwickert> the letter is printed out and in the package 20:30:09 <gentt> cwickert, the letter should be inside the box for sure? 20:30:11 <cwickert> they *must* have seen it 20:30:20 <cwickert> yes 20:30:30 <gentt> cwickert, I am sure they didn't 20:30:36 <gentt> Because I was there 3-4 times 20:30:40 <gentt> and they didn't even care 20:30:46 <cwickert> kital: did you put the customs letter into the package you sent to Kosovo? 20:31:08 <cwickert> gentt: and did you explain them that the media is not for sale? 20:31:10 <gentt> Because in Kosovo you don't have to pay taxes for Software but they are only looking the value that kital wrote 20:31:21 <gentt> cwickert, I explained them clearly 20:31:24 <cwickert> what value did kital write? 20:31:33 <gentt> and also the value is not commercial 20:31:46 <gentt> I am not sure if kital or dhl wrote it 20:31:54 <gentt> but it writes 330EUR 20:32:03 <cwickert> on, I mean on the package 20:32:09 <gentt> cwickert, yep 20:32:09 <cwickert> not what customs wants 20:32:24 <cwickert> the package is said to be worth 330 EUR? 20:32:36 <kital> cwickert - i am not really here but yes i put the letter in the box to Kososvo 20:32:48 <cwickert> kital: ok, thanks 20:32:56 <gentt> cwickert, yep 20:33:21 <cwickert> gentt: and they want 150 EUR or more? this means the taxes are ~50% 20:33:23 <cwickert> this is insane 20:33:29 <gentt> cwickert, yep 20:33:37 <gentt> 40-50 is for the job that is done 20:33:37 <cwickert> I am pretty sure they are trying to fool you 20:33:53 <gentt> i mean they are private companies which takes the package from the customs 20:33:59 <gentt> you have to pay them for the service 20:34:06 <gentt> then the taxes to the customs 20:34:11 <gentt> which in total is about 150 euro 20:34:24 <cwickert> kital: one more question: what value was the package declared? 20:34:24 <gentt> I will try to tell them for this letter 20:35:33 <cwickert> gentt: 330 Media for 15 cents each is 49,50 USD 20:35:39 <cwickert> and this is ~ 35 EUR 20:35:51 <cwickert> they are definitely trying to fool you 20:35:55 <gentt> cwickert, they are considering the value as 330 euro 20:36:00 <gentt> which means 1 euro per DVD 20:36:07 <cwickert> tell them you know and you can proof the latter was in the package 20:36:10 <gentt> or per quantity 20:36:35 <gentt> cwickert, how do you mean? 20:36:57 <cwickert> tell them you know that the media were declared 0.15 USD each 20:37:13 <cwickert> and that they should be aware of this because of the letter inside the package 20:37:25 <gentt> cwickert, where can I get a proof especially for our package not the general cost for the media? 20:37:34 <gentt> cwickert, ok 20:38:03 <cwickert> I could send you the bill for the media 20:38:14 <cwickert> IIRC it was like 3500 EUR for 5000 media 20:38:22 <cwickert> so they are definitely less than 1 EUR 20:38:26 <gentt> cwickert, scanned will do just fine 20:38:38 <gentt> cwickert, my math says it so too :) 20:38:39 <cwickert> but this will still be too expensive 20:38:48 <cwickert> just remind them of the letter 20:38:53 <gentt> cwickert, will do 20:39:11 <cwickert> ok, I think we should finish this now and discuss the rest by mail 20:39:23 <gentt> cwickert, yes, I think so too 20:39:47 <cwickert> #info: most media have been shipped. if you need some, file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/ and assign it to jsimon 20:40:31 <cwickert> #info if you have problems that media are stuck at customs, please contact us and remind the customs people of the customs letter inside the package and at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Customs_letter_for_Fedora_media 20:40:52 <cwickert> #info if you have media, please update the inventory at https://fedorahosted.org/emea-swag-tracking/wiki/Inventory 20:41:04 <cwickert> ok, I think this is all for announcements and media shipping 20:41:32 <cwickert> #topic Ambassadors schedule 20:41:38 <cwickert> the schedule can be found at 20:41:42 <cwickert> #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-ambassadors-tasks.html 20:41:48 <cwickert> lets see... 20:42:26 <cwickert> I think we are still save 20:42:37 <cwickert> but we should start planning for F16 swag 20:42:54 <cwickert> #info we need to start planing for swag for F16 20:43:41 <cwickert> #info: FAmSCo will discuss F16 swag and budget this in the first week of September, so we need to come up with something 20:44:08 <cwickert> #info if you have ideas for swag, please suggest them on the ambassadors mailing list 20:44:49 <cwickert> rbergeron: I think the schedule does not work 20:45:38 <cwickert> on september 1st we are to call for preperation of swag and not even one week later we need to come up with funding requests 20:45:46 <cwickert> this is too tight 20:46:09 <cwickert> anyone got ideas for swag? 20:46:36 <cwickert> ok, just suggest it on the mailing list 20:46:51 <cwickert> #topic Events 20:47:02 <cwickert> last weekend there was FrOSCon 20:47:08 <cwickert> and we held a FAD there 20:47:09 <rbergeron> cwickert: how so? 20:47:14 <cwickert> der-flo: was with us 20:47:26 <cwickert> rbergeron: scroll up. one week is not enough 20:48:00 <rbergeron> ah 20:48:33 <rbergeron> cwickert: action me to go take suggestions to famsco, or to take suggestions back to you, in the minutes, and I'll take a look at it. 20:48:39 <rbergeron> and follow up with figuring out what works better 20:49:28 <cwickert> rbergeron: famsco meets on saturdays, so if they are supposed to come up with something by September 8th, they must discuss it on the 3rd 20:49:59 <cwickert> rbergeron: this means we have 2 days for everything from the call over discussions and decisions until the final quotes 20:50:46 <cwickert> anyway, lets move on with events 20:51:16 <cwickert> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Events#EMEA-FY12Q2 20:51:40 <cwickert> not much events coming up 20:52:10 <cwickert> we have one event in France next week and in 3 weeks there is software freedom days 20:52:28 <cwickert> #info if you hold en event for Software Freedom Day, please add it to the wiki 20:52:42 <cwickert> I am sure there are way more events than just one at Hamburg 20:53:06 <cwickert> and then there is the FUDCon at the end of september 20:53:34 <cwickert> to be honest I am very worried about it 20:53:41 <cwickert> does anybody know the status? 20:53:55 <cwickert> gentt: you will go there, right? 20:54:10 <rbergeron> okay 20:54:55 <rbergeron> gentt is going, yes. 20:55:16 <cwickert> do we know anything about accommodation? 20:56:11 <gentt> yes cwickert 20:56:24 <gentt> rbergeron, also allowed by the parents :D 20:56:35 <cwickert> ok, where will you sleep? 20:56:45 <gentt> cwickert, I have no idea really 20:56:54 <cwickert> you see, this is what troubles me 20:56:58 <gentt> jsmith, said that they will book a room in the "conferences hotel" 20:57:09 <gentt> the hotel where most of fedorians will sleep 20:57:10 <cwickert> nobody has an idea it seems 20:57:21 <biertie> I'm here too now 20:57:39 <cwickert> jsmith: ping. what about accommodation for fudcon milan? 20:58:04 <gentt> probably the Hotel Perugino 20:58:13 <cwickert> ? 20:58:28 <gentt> I asked jsmith for official confirmation because I will need to attach it will other visa documents 20:58:35 <gentt> cwickert, from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Milan_2011#Lodging 20:58:40 <gentt> Is the cheapest one 20:58:49 <gentt> and the nearest from the venue 20:58:51 <cwickert> I know 20:58:57 <cwickert> but this is not how it works 20:59:10 <cwickert> I mean, we cannot just say we go into this or that hotel 20:59:10 <gentt> cwickert, I know 20:59:28 <gentt> Because I am not in the condition to choose 20:59:30 <cwickert> we neet the event owners to book rooms so we are actually together and get beeter prices 20:59:32 <gentt> I could sleep anywhere 20:59:57 <gentt> But I think and I want to be in a place with the rest of Fedorians 20:59:59 <cwickert> to be hones this really sucks. I am disappointed by the Italian community 21:00:06 <cwickert> gentt: exactly 21:00:08 <gentt> I may also need shuttle of company from Airport 21:00:22 <cwickert> not only you... 21:00:37 <gentt> cwickert, I remember a lot of emails from Italians promising! 21:00:41 <gentt> Where are they now? 21:00:43 <gentt> :( 21:01:11 <cwickert> yes, one of the main reasons Milan got the FUDCon was that we have a lot of Italian ambassadors 21:01:18 <cwickert> but they seem to have disappeared 21:01:26 <cwickert> really frustrating 21:01:36 <gentt> I wanted more to be Ireland because of the Guiness :D 21:01:54 <gentt> Guinness* 21:01:55 * rbergeron feels the pain as well 21:02:05 <cwickert> I am pretty sure that if Fabian and Gerold organized a FUDCon in Dublin everything would be sorted out already 21:02:18 <biertie> you can get guinness everywhere. also Duvel ;-) 21:02:20 <cwickert> anyway, not much we can do ATM 21:02:37 <cwickert> biertie: not the real Guiness ;) 21:02:38 <biertie> anyway, let's talk on how to improve, in stead of how it should have been done :> 21:02:45 <gentt> biertie, i was going to say that 21:02:49 <gentt> "not the real one" 21:03:05 <cwickert> biertie: so how can we improve? I am open to suggestions 21:03:14 <cwickert> I organized 2 events this year already 21:03:33 <cwickert> (and yes, I did book hotel rooms for everybody) 21:03:42 <gentt> biertie, consider that you are based in Belgium, cwickert in Germany 21:03:43 <biertie> I haven't really followed everything 21:03:53 <biertie> so not sure where the things are stuck now 21:03:56 <gentt> How you are going to organize the event from such a far place 21:04:03 <gentt> without any local help contact 21:04:26 <cwickert> biertie: the problem is: you don't even get an answer when you ask where the process is stuck 21:04:33 <biertie> I still have to buy tickets and book hotel -> now I'm in doubt if I should come 21:04:50 <cwickert> its only a single person from the Italians who actually does something 21:04:59 <cwickert> and this person is busy with his dayjob 21:05:17 <biertie> who is that person? 21:05:25 <cwickert> fcrippa 21:05:34 <der-flo> is there a way to give the Italian orga a deadline? 21:05:50 <cwickert> der-flo: and what is the alternative? 21:05:55 <cwickert> no fudcon? 21:06:17 <der-flo> even if it sounds hard, stay away 21:07:07 <biertie> ah - I can imagine he is busy with his day job 21:07:28 <biertie> der-flo: a lot of people already have bought tickets I suppose 21:07:34 <biertie> so it's too late stop the event 21:07:45 <cwickert> yeah, but I am not sure if I will come 21:07:51 <gnokii> cwickert: does that kind of discussion right now changing something on the status? 21:07:53 <cwickert> I haven't booked anything yet 21:07:57 * gentt too 21:07:58 <der-flo> biertie: that's the problem 21:08:12 <gentt> basically kital bought it, i got sponsored 21:08:19 <cwickert> gnokii: not really, we need to bring this up on fudcon planning 21:08:24 <gentt> I don't think if you bought the ticket online, you can cancel them 21:08:30 <cwickert> so, lets move on, there is nothing we can do here 21:08:33 <rbergeron> okay, so let's do this: what do we need to know in the next week to make sure everyone is comfortable coming - figure that list out, and get it to fudcon-planning. 21:08:44 <rbergeron> Or alternatley, voice your concerns. 21:08:51 <rbergeron> i know i'm more than a bit nervous. 21:08:54 <gnokii> so then that should be the decission then and then move forward 21:09:33 <cwickert> rbergeron: we need the event owners to have booked a lot of rooms in a hotel and let us know if we can sleep there or not 21:09:41 <cwickert> somebody needs to track the bookings 21:10:04 <rbergeron> yup. apparently there is a block of rooms, and some of them are allocated to people who have their rooms sponsored, but there is no way to confirm that. 21:10:17 <rbergeron> or is ther ea way to people who are paying their own rooms to know which rooms they are to sleep in. 21:10:26 <gentt> cwickert, they already booked a ton of rooms for most of us 21:10:29 <cwickert> rbergeron: but in which hotel? 21:10:33 <gentt> afaik that what jsmith told me 21:10:48 <cwickert> then we need this info in the wiki 21:10:48 <gentt> I don't know the hotels name 21:10:59 <cwickert> and we need to have confirmations 21:11:07 <cwickert> and info on how much beds are still left 21:11:13 <cwickert> of a deadline to apply for beds 21:12:00 <cwickert> rbergeron: basically I want to have something like: if you apply until... you are save and can sleep at..., after the deadline you need to take care of your own 21:12:04 * rbergeron is putting this all into a mail 21:12:11 <cwickert> ok, thanks rbergeron 21:12:22 <cwickert> lets move on 21:12:24 <rbergeron> np, sorry it's not more apparent 21:12:57 <cwickert> #topic Action items from previous meetings 21:13:05 <cwickert> AFAIK there are no action items left 21:13:18 <cwickert> yup, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:EMEA_Ambassadors_2011-08-10 says there are none 21:13:45 <cwickert> #action rbergeron to nag the fudcon-planning team about accommodation and put the info on the wiki 21:13:49 <cwickert> anything else? 21:14:16 <gentt> waking up the italian team 21:14:37 <cwickert> yeah, rbergeron will send the mafia over to them one by one 21:14:44 <gentt> cwickert, :D 21:14:47 <cwickert> #topic Open Floor 21:15:03 <cwickert> so, anything else that worries you? are you all fine? 21:15:28 <gentt> cwickert, mind checking the dhl paper I got for the media package to clear things out! http://gent.fedorapeople.org/dhl.jpg 21:16:24 <cwickert> gentt: yes, I have seen it 21:16:31 <gentt> cwickert, good, thanks 21:16:35 <cwickert> anyway, lets figure that out by mail as kital is not here 21:16:48 <gentt> cwickert, yes, sure 21:17:02 <gentt> I will try to go again at the customs this Friday 21:17:09 <gentt> because I can't tomorrow 21:18:15 * cwickert will close the meeting in 3 minutes if nothing comes up 21:21:15 <gentt> 9 21:21:16 <gentt> 8 21:21:18 <gentt> :D 21:21:49 <cwickert> #endmeeting