#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:00:15

!startmeeting EPEL Steering Committee

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:16

Meeting started at 2025-06-11 18:00:15 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:16

The Meeting name is 'EPEL Steering Committee'

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:00:21

!topic howdy

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:00:26

!hi

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:00:27

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:28

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:28

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:01:01

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:02

Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:02:09

i know troy won't be here (hence me running the meeting) but there should be a few more that can make it

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:02:25

Is everybody at devconf?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:03:34

among esc members, should just be davide and neal

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:04:03

we'll give it a few more minutes before kicking things off, but likely to be a short meeting either way

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:06:50

i expect kevin and jonathan will be able to make it, but they're probably just putting out fires somewhere and will join in a bit

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:07:10

!topic EPEL issues

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:07:23

https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:07:33

just one tagged for the meeting

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:07:39

!epel 333

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:07:40

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:07:40

● **Assignee:** Not Assigned

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:07:40

● **Last Updated:** a week ago

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:07:40

● **Opened:** a week ago by churchyard

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:07:40

**epel #333** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/333):**Do not encourage packagers to request EPEL packages on behalf of the Python Packagers SIG**

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:08:12

Catching up...

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:09:09

basically it continues to be a problem that people request epel branches via sig permissions and then later don't respond to bugs for the packages they built and published

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:09:20

so the epel-packagers-sig problem, but for other sigs as well

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:09:25

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:10:04

but then shouldn't that be documented via other sig?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:10:17

right, that's where the comments ended up essentially

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:10:21

each sig maintain their own policy etc

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:11:22

i doubt any sigs actually have this documented, but i think it makes sense to just drop the sig section and encourage (not require) packagers to be direct maintainers (or collaborators) of packages

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:12:07

that sounds reasonable to me

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:12:28

yeah that sounds reasonable

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:12:50

i'm reading it as "leave it up to sigs to communicate among themselves if they allow that or not"

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:13:25

i can throw up a pr for that, and hopefully michel can ack it async while at devconf

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:13:48

any other open issues that we forgot to tag for the meeting?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:15:26

!topic old business

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:15:57

!epel 328

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:15:58

**epel #328** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/328):**Figure out getting selinux-policy-epel autoinstalled**

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:15:58

● **Assignee:** Not Assigned

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:15:58

● **Last Updated:** 2 weeks ago

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:15:58

● **Opened:** 2 months ago by ngompa

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:15:58

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:16:56

some progress on this one, my pungi pr was merged, so i expect composes going forward will include the new subpackages, and it will probably be on the mirrors by next tuesday

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:17:04

!link https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/release-engineering/pungi-centos/-/merge_requests/1000

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:18:03

once it's live we can actually verify things work, and close the issue out. eventually we'll want to fixup epel-release to use the actual package names instead of the provides of the old names, but that's minor cleanup work.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:19:05

worth noting that as far as i can tell the new selinux-policy subpackages are 10.1 only, so i expect there will be a few bug reports for things not working in 10.0. nothing we can do there, as we can't force the rhel maintainer to backport the change to 10.0.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:21:12

if you see bug reports for your epel packages, best you can do is ask the submitter to file a support case with red hat, maybe if it's disruptive enough there will be enough cases to justify the work

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:21:51

Thats possible.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:22:36

worst case would be users rolling their own fix in copr maybe?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:23:36

honestly my workaround would be manually downloading the new subpackages out of centos repos and install them one-off, then distro-sync after rhel 10.1 comes out

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:24:00

iirc they're noarch and should be fairly independent and work, but i haven't tested this

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:24:00

oh thats much simpler lol

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:24:35

anything else for old business?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:26:44

!topic open floor

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:27:25

i had one very small thing, but i was hoping nirik would be here to action it (only him and troy can)

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:28:09

I have a small thing too (hi btw :D)

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:28:15

the fedocal entry for this meeting still indicates that it takes place in #meeting:fedoraproject.org, because we never updated it after we switched to #meeting-1:fedoraproject.org (here)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:28:26

I'm kind of heads down working on signing in new dc... but sure?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:28:39

if you're busy it can wait, very not urgent

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:28:42

!link https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/epel/

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:29:18

it's been wrong for months, so what's another few days/weeks/months? 😀

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:29:34

oh I see it now haha

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:29:42

I'm very happy to add others there?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:29:50

✋️

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:30:04

(that should be read has "hand raised", not "stop")

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:30:24

You could add me as well if thats ok

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:30:29

oh right, it's only groups...

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:30:31

👋

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:30:40

and smooge is listed as the contact. ;)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:30:58

do we have a group we could add there?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:31:09

i don't believe we have an esc group

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:31:31

i'm looking here https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/epel/#m10978 and i see "Meeting organized by kevin,tdawson." no smooge

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:32:05

that would be ideal if we had a group. how would we go about arranging that?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:13

I'm editing in the admin interface and I see:

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:32:34

oh i think i see, editing the overall calendar vs editing a meeting

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:37

oh you are just talking about the meeting...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:54

right, I can add people there

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:33:17

for now just stick me on the meeting, then we can work on a proper esc group later

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:33:55

added folks

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:34:01

edit away

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:34:15

thanks, i'll get that cleaned up

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:34:25

now i believe Diego Herrera had an open floor thing

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:34:32

👍️

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:35:14

Some time ago I made some automation to make Troy's willit tool to get generated automatically

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:35:14

https://dherrerace.github.io/willit-result

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:36:21

I just wanted to mention that I updated it so that now it shows EPEL10 and EPEL10z repos

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:36:21

The EPEL10 one tracks the current minor that corresponds to Centos Stream, while the EPEL10z one tracks the minor that corresponds to the latest RHEL release minor :)

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:36:40

that would be it from me ^^

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:36:51

that looks cool

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:37:14

dive in and find things to work on 😉

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:38:08

good job Diego Herrera

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:39:02

oh, one more small fyi from me, fasjson-client is now in epel10. i know a few folks were waiting on that one.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:39:05

!link https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2025-6e520af8a6

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:39:29

anybody else got anything?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:43:15

wrapping up early then. thanks everyone for coming to the meeting, and thanks for all your work in epel.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:43:50

Thanks Carl George !

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:43:50

thanks for running, carl!

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:43:53

thx Carl ^^

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:44:22

!endmeeting