21:00:48 <nirik> #startmeeting EPEL SIG (2010-01-22)
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21:00:52 <nirik> #meetingname epel
21:00:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
21:01:00 <nirik> #topic Init process / agenda
21:01:28 <nirik> any folks around for an epel meeting?
21:01:36 * derks is present
21:02:21 <derks> wow... this might be short.  ;)
21:02:27 <nirik> so, I didn't send out an agenda...
21:02:39 <nirik> does anyone have any agenda items?
21:03:04 * maxamillion is here
21:03:25 <maxamillion> not really an agenda item, but more of a "stuff I'm working on" .... I'm working towards getting maven2 packaged for EPEL
21:03:42 <nirik> ok, we can add that as an item... ;) I have one like that too.
21:03:50 <nirik> anything else anyone has?
21:04:30 <maxamillion> dbhole has been nice enough to help me with my road blocks and http://maxamillion.fedorapeople.org/maven2-el5-i386/ is what I have so far in the dependency chain ... I've actually got a few more just haven't uploaded yet
21:04:37 <maxamillion> nirik: other than that ... no, not really
21:04:50 <nirik> #topic Maven2 in epel
21:05:06 <nirik> so, how far is your rabbit hole so far? ;)
21:05:39 <maxamillion> in raw packages ... 126 (including srpms and i386 packages)
21:05:46 <derks> whaaaaaa?
21:05:55 <stahnma> I am here
21:06:07 <nirik> wow...
21:06:11 <derks> maxamillion, that is just for EPEL 5?
21:06:12 <maxamillion> otherwise ... I'm at 29 SRPMs
21:06:13 <nirik> maxamillion: well, good luck. ;)
21:06:25 <maxamillion> derks: yeah, I don't think there is a new enough gcj in EL4 to compile this stuff
21:06:28 <nirik> is there anything interested folks can do to help you?
21:07:09 <maxamillion> nirik: not really, most of it is just build ... wait for fail, fix, build, move on to the next dependency ... most of them are deps of deps of deps so its kinda serial and not easily distributed
21:07:26 <maxamillion> nirik: but once I get it all done I'm going to need help asking for branches of all the packages :)
21:08:13 <nirik> ok.
21:08:15 <maxamillion> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MavenUpdate#Dependency_Info <--- its apparently just as much of a pain in Fedora and Fedora already has a large portion of the deps already there
21:09:19 <maxamillion> this has definitely been a trip ...
21:09:52 <nirik> cool.
21:09:58 <nirik> well, good luck getting it all working...
21:10:02 <maxamillion> and if we can some how magically pull off getting it all packaged for EL5 I think that'd be awesome, we need it here at work which is why I'm able to devote so much time to it and others have expressed a need for it so hopefully we can satisfy users :)
21:10:07 <maxamillion> nirik: thankies
21:10:11 <nirik> #topic Xfce status
21:10:18 <maxamillion> oooo, good one
21:10:21 <nirik> Thought I would start providing status on xfce in epel.
21:10:40 <nirik> I need some perl packages... the maintainer of one didn't answer the branch request, so I am just going to do it.
21:10:47 <nirik> then we need to fix another perl package
21:10:56 <nirik> then I can start in on the Xfce ones.
21:11:24 <maxamillion> what in the perl world does xfce depend on?
21:12:19 <nirik> xfconf has perl bindings.
21:12:49 <nirik> perl-Glib is needed and that needs perl-ExtUtils-Depends
21:12:51 <maxamillion> ah
21:13:05 <maxamillion> silly perl bindings
21:13:07 <nirik> I am going to build perl-ExtUtils-Depends this weekend and see if we can get perl-Glib figured soon.
21:13:33 <nirik> anyhow, just an update.
21:13:39 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
21:13:44 <nirik> Any open floor items?
21:13:53 <derks> I have a question about a thread on list...
21:14:07 <nirik> I have one: would anyone else like to do agendas and run meetings? :) My time has been low of late...
21:14:09 <derks> the one about packages in EPEL conflicting with sub channels in RHEL
21:14:15 * stahnma is only half-here..$DAYJOB
21:14:16 <nirik> derks: fire away.
21:14:42 <maxamillion> nirik: I *might* be able to ... I'll get back to you on that though
21:15:16 <derks> the thread was, " technical solution/workaround for EPEL vs. RH sub channel"
21:15:36 <derks> is that something we [epel] are looking to implement, or was that a thought thatgot thrown around?
21:15:59 <nirik> derks: ah yea. I don't think that solution is going to work... I thought we quashed it before.
21:16:22 <maxamillion> I thought the new policy outlined how we were planning to fix this?
21:16:51 <nirik> it's complex, we don't know how it works with rhn plugins, and we already have a solution thats policy level.
21:17:11 <derks> maxamillion, where is the new policy documented?
21:17:24 <nirik> derks: great question. :) we need someone to update the wiki. ;)
21:17:39 <maxamillion> derks: it might not be .... not yet anyways
21:17:52 <derks> i suppose it should be here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/GuidelinesAndPolicies
21:18:07 <nirik> Here is what I had... forgive the paste:
21:18:24 <nirik> EPEL packages must never conflict with packages in RHEL-AP.
21:18:24 <nirik> EPEL packages can conflict with packages in other RHEL channels.
21:18:24 <nirik> EPEL maintainers should be open to communication from RHEL maintainers and try and accommodate them by not shipping specific packages, or by adjusting the package in EPEL to better handle a conflicting package in a channel on a case by case basis.
21:19:10 <derks> so, EPEL packages can *not* conflict with packages in advanced platform, but *can* with packages in the base channel?
21:19:34 <nirik> no, neither. I thought AP was a superset of base
21:19:49 <derks> ah, ok.  that is where i got confused
21:20:04 <derks> so it can conflict though with packages in other sub channels
21:20:10 <stahnma> AP is a superset of base
21:20:19 <nirik> yeah.
21:20:21 <derks> ok
21:21:09 <derks> I can add this to the wiki
21:21:35 <nirik> that would be excellent.
21:22:59 <nirik> anything else?
21:24:56 <derks> Added: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/GuidelinesAndPolicies#Policy_for_Conflicting_Packages
21:25:29 <nirik> thanks.
21:26:18 * nirik will close out the meeting in a few
21:26:24 <maxamillion> derks: you're the man! :D
21:26:38 <maxamillion> and make that raw package count 136
21:26:39 <maxamillion> :/
21:27:07 <smooge> sorry I am late
21:27:37 * stahnma was hardly here
21:27:43 <stahnma> stupid customers
21:27:49 <nirik> smooge: anything for open floor?
21:28:23 <smooge> just that I am still downloading packages to see what conflicts in 4 and 5. My rsync was slower than I expected (mainly because I had copied 2 & 3 too)
21:28:27 <maxamillion> gotta run, bbl
21:29:07 <nirik> ok, fair enough.
21:29:15 <smooge> It looks like its 1/2 done with RHEL-5 finally so I am hoping I can get this list by Tuesday
21:29:37 <smooge> Then I can work out a rough list of blockers to see what is dealt with.
21:29:42 <smooge> Then there is of course PPC
21:29:48 <nirik> ok
21:30:10 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone!
21:30:16 <nirik> #endmeeting