17:00:11 <nirik> #startmeeting EPEL
17:00:11 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Apr 17 17:00:11 2015 UTC.  The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:00:15 <nirik> #meetingname epel
17:00:15 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
17:00:24 <nirik> #chairs bstinson Evolution dgilmore nirik
17:00:32 <nirik> #topic roll call
17:00:37 <nirik> anyone around for an epel meeting?
17:00:42 * bstinson is here
17:00:54 <nirik> hey bstinson
17:00:54 <avij> hi
17:01:22 <nirik> smooge had an appointment this morning which ran long.
17:01:31 <nirik> morning avij
17:01:53 <smooge> and I am here
17:02:00 <smooge> sorry for the delay
17:02:01 <nirik> oh hey. :)
17:02:06 <nirik> no worries.
17:02:37 <Evolution> I'm here
17:03:15 <smooge> nirik, ok for me to take over?
17:03:23 <nirik> smooge: by all means. ;)
17:04:19 <smooge> #topic chair opening up on committee
17:04:34 <smooge> I am stepping down as of the end of this meeting from the committee.
17:04:51 <nirik> sorry to hear it smooge.
17:05:10 <smooge> I have not read email in 12 hours so I do not know if anyone has nominated themselves to fill the slot
17:05:27 <nirik> I didn't see anything... but they may have mailed you directly.
17:06:26 <smooge> I don't see anything in the personal folder so its time to draft someone
17:06:29 <Evolution> same. I see no replies to the 'open slot'
17:06:58 <smooge> So people who would be good would be someone like avij who is always helping out people in channel and other places
17:08:05 <smooge> It might also be nice to have someone who doesn't work for Red Hat as that seems to be some sort of sticking point for various people.
17:08:10 <Evolution> I'm +1 on avij, assuming he's willing.
17:08:18 <Evolution> I'd rather not throw him completely under the bus.
17:08:43 <smooge> I did not bring it up to him until just now so I would not expect an answer for a while :)
17:09:22 * nirik would be happy to keep meetings going as long as other people actually show up and discuss things. If there's no one around or discussing anything, it's a waste of time. ;)
17:10:03 <Evolution> same.
17:10:11 <smooge> my main point of having meetings in the past is that people say they want things on the mailing list but don't seem to respond on it until a meeting is called
17:10:42 <nirik> yeah.
17:10:44 <Evolution> so, would you be willing maintain the position for another week or so?
17:10:59 <Evolution> that way we have time to actually ask avij or select others
17:11:10 <avij> oh, sorry, I was browsing the forum, helping someone in there.
17:12:24 <avij> I can be the designated non-RH person on the committee, if need be
17:12:33 <smooge> I can do so until a replacement is found. I have two reasons for leaving.. 1) I said I would run this til end of March and 2) I do believe we need some outside involvement from people on the committee to keep a "inside a beltway" thinking from fomring
17:13:20 <Evolution> I agree in principle on both parts. but you're still going to be working on this... even if not officially. you can't get away
17:13:22 <smooge> +1 for avij to replace me
17:13:23 <Evolution> :-P
17:13:52 <smooge> Evolution, I agree. I am just going to do it from the shadows
17:14:07 <nirik> ha.
17:14:20 <bstinson> heh
17:14:27 <bstinson> also i'm +1 for avij
17:14:27 <Evolution> okay, so are we voting on this today? or are we going to round up more people?
17:14:32 <nirik> welcome to the hotel epel...
17:15:02 <smooge> Evolution, if avij wants to stand for the spot.. then we vote today.
17:15:05 <Evolution> if avij is the only nominee, this should go about as efficiently as a russian election.
17:15:22 <smooge> we are a politburo
17:16:13 * nirik is happy for avij to be on the comittee.
17:16:19 <smooge> so EPSCO voted two meetings ago to be a meritocric commitee. That puts it that replacement of people is voted on by people in the commitee.
17:16:45 <smooge> versus outside of the committee. We have 4 out of 5 current members here so an election can occur.
17:17:19 <smooge> Just for the record.. please voice your vote now for avij to replace me at the end of this meeting.
17:17:21 <smooge> smooge: +1
17:17:25 <Evolution> okay. +1
17:17:32 <bstinson> +1
17:17:56 <nirik> +1
17:18:00 <smooge> #info avij will replace smooge on the committee at the end of this session
17:18:08 <smooge> thank you and congratulations avij
17:18:20 <avij> yay \o/
17:18:53 <Evolution> it's cute how he thinks was a good thing we did....
17:18:56 <Evolution> ;-)
17:19:23 <smooge> #topic Python3
17:19:37 <smooge> nirik, can you make me a chair
17:19:44 <nirik> oh, sorry.
17:19:46 <nirik> #chair smooge
17:19:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: nirik smooge
17:19:56 <nirik> #chair Evolution bstinson avij
17:19:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution avij bstinson nirik smooge
17:20:38 <smooge> #info avij will replace smooge on the committee at the end of this session (+4 votes/1 absent)
17:20:47 <smooge> #topic Python 3
17:21:15 <smooge> Ok so I believe the python3 items were agreed upon in the last meeting but I have not seen any changes since then.
17:21:23 <nirik> yes, but there was a hangup...
17:21:31 <nirik> dgilmore saw better ways to do the macros.
17:21:42 <nirik> for the fedora side, they need to go to the FPC.
17:21:46 <smooge> ah ok
17:21:55 <nirik> for epel, he suggested we make a epel-rpm-macros package
17:22:00 <nirik> and put them in there.
17:22:13 <nirik> I was going to look into making that package, but haven't yet. ;)
17:22:30 <smooge> .... didn't we think about doing that a while ago and it was going to cause problems so we put some stuff in epel-release
17:22:58 <bstinson> was mstuchli the new contact for the proposal?
17:22:58 <smooge> nirik, can I help out there any?
17:23:14 <nirik> bstinson: yeah I think so
17:23:35 <nirik> smooge: if you like. Basically needs to just be a simple package with the macros in it... like redhat-rpm-macros in fedora (but simpiler)
17:23:45 <nirik> I guess we need to find out what exact macros it needs in it too
17:24:13 <smooge> yeah :)
17:24:42 <smooge> alright so that is the status and work is needed.
17:24:45 <bstinson> i have a couple of emails out to him to see what's needed on his end (i'm going to try to put some work into that part)
17:24:54 <smooge> cool thanks bstinson
17:25:38 <smooge> #topic XFCE 4.12 in EL7
17:26:24 <Evolution> is xfce 4.12 complete?
17:26:27 <smooge> so this is just a placement that maxamillion was working on some EL7 packages but he and his wife had a baby and that has taken up all his time. He is sure he will have oodles of time soon to work on it (HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!)
17:26:31 <Evolution> I thought there were some packages that wouldn't build?
17:26:59 <smooge> I am testing to see what is missing this afternoon. I have a box I am setting up with XFCE-4.10 in epel and then will try to upgrade to his copr
17:27:11 <smooge> I will report problems and errors to him and we will work from there.
17:27:31 <nirik> nonamedotc has been working on this.
17:27:37 <smooge> I registered a centos-xfce channel for people who are interested in working on it or having problems.
17:27:48 <nirik> there's a bug he's been using as a tracker.
17:27:50 <Evolution> so far the biggest thing was the lack of default icons.
17:28:01 <Evolution> it's a simple config change
17:28:04 <nirik> thats fixed.
17:28:12 <Evolution> oh in the package itself?
17:28:15 <Evolution> excellent.
17:28:16 <nirik> if people actually test and file bugs we can fix things.
17:28:24 <smooge> so that is my goal this afternoon.
17:28:37 <nirik> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1201124
17:28:44 <nirik> most things are fixed at this point.
17:28:57 <nirik> oh, this is 4.12?
17:28:59 <smooge> #info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1201124 tracker bug for XFCE-4.12 in EL-7
17:29:08 <nirik> I was talking abotu the existing 4.10
17:29:19 <smooge> nirik, oh sorry
17:29:24 <nirik> 4.12 may be difficult to get in, as it's a major version upgrade...
17:29:32 <nirik> and it will end up removing some plugins people may use
17:29:40 <Evolution> oh. I wasn't aware of that bug. nice.
17:29:50 <smooge> #undo
17:29:50 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by smooge at 17:28:59 : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1201124 tracker bug for XFCE-4.12 in EL-7
17:29:56 <smooge> #info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1201124 tracker bug for XFCE-4.10 in EL-7
17:29:58 <nirik> as a copr, 4.12 should be great/fine.
17:30:28 <smooge> nirik, I don't get asked for 4.10 in emails.. it is only 4.12 people have been requesting in EPEL.
17:30:32 <dgilmore> hi all
17:30:40 <smooge> so I will say they cna work on it in the copr.
17:31:05 <nirik> smooge: ok. I mean there's some bug fixes and nice things, but it's not any kind of radical new release.
17:31:37 <nirik> I suppose we could ask for some kind of exception for dropping those plugins in epel, but it will be disruptive to people who use them
17:31:40 <smooge> nirik will 4.10 go EOL from the developers point of view
17:32:05 <nirik> they don't have any formal support promise for anything. :)
17:32:09 <smooge> that is my only concern (for 30 more minutes)
17:32:16 <smooge> ok well then.. :)
17:32:58 <smooge> I didn't know if it was like the GNOME team where if you aren't using bleeding-nose you get emails telling you to go fly a kite
17:32:59 <Evolution> only other topid I'd like to bring up is for folks to have a look at the proposal for 3rd party repos on the centos-devel list.
17:33:11 <smooge> s/the GNOME team/some on the GNOME team/
17:33:13 <Evolution> if we're to that point yet.
17:33:27 <smooge> Evolution, we will be next
17:33:31 <Evolution> okay.
17:33:34 * carlgeorge waves from the shadows
17:34:38 <smooge> nirik, I don't have anything else on this since XFCE isn't a "you must upgrade to the latest" type project.
17:34:54 <smooge> #topic Third party repos with CentOS and EPEL
17:35:00 <smooge> Evolution, your item
17:35:11 <smooge> ps hi dgilmore
17:35:31 <Evolution> okay. carlgeorge submitted a proposal to the centos-devel list, that we need to investigate a bit more
17:35:36 <Evolution> https://gist.github.com/cgtx/b854281462a18007f509
17:35:56 <Evolution> since we've moved the epel-release into centos-extras, a couple other repos have asked for the same inclusion.
17:36:21 <dgilmore> Evolution: that is a CentOS decision solely
17:36:23 <Evolution> the centos idea is 'one standard' to hold repos to, but we need to work out what that standard actually is, and how things can tie to gether.
17:36:45 <Evolution> dgilmore: agree. however epel will be held to it as well, so input from the epel community matters.
17:37:14 <nirik> "has the potential to replace stock packages" <- isn't that any repo? the potential is always there?
17:37:33 <dgilmore> Evolution: epel is stand alone centos can say what it likes, does not mean it will be done
17:37:42 <dgilmore> it will be looked at and evaluated
17:37:53 <nirik> dgilmore: I think he just wants clarification from us about what we promise?
17:38:15 <Evolution> nirik's right. I'm not wearing a centos hat right now.
17:38:19 <dgilmore> nirik: okay, that is documented
17:38:21 <Evolution> I'm simply looking for feedback.
17:39:16 <nirik> well, epel is the first 3 of those 4 I guess...
17:39:38 <nirik> no,, the first 2 only perhaps
17:40:01 <dgilmore> Evolution: the last two we do not do
17:40:03 <nirik> anyhow, where should we send feedback? centos-devel?
17:40:14 <carlgeorge> Correct.  From the main EPEL page: "...will never conflict with or replace packages in the base Enterprise Linux distributions."
17:40:17 <Evolution> nirik: please.
17:40:19 <dgilmore> we do not replace packages
17:40:19 <bstinson> http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2015-April/013180.html
17:40:24 <bstinson> here's the top of the thread this month
17:41:23 <smooge> thank you bstinson
17:41:40 * nirik will try and read it and send feedback
17:41:44 <Evolution> thanks.
17:42:54 <carlgeorge> If any parts of it don't make sense, I'm more than happy to work with you and change/clarify/elaborate the text.
17:43:54 <smooge> carlgeorge, it makes sense to me.
17:44:58 <smooge> I do agree that there is always the potential for any of these being a problem but that becomes wordsmith level stuff which isn't really done well in IRC :)
17:45:05 <smooge> ok anything else on this?
17:45:24 <smooge> #topic open floor.
17:45:51 <smooge> Hi this is the place where the EPSCO fields random questions from people in channel.
17:46:03 <smooge> If there are no questions we will close in 3 minutes
17:47:03 <nirik> I'd like to thank smooge for all his hard work on things and hope he will continue to help from the shadows. :)
17:47:18 <smooge> thanks
17:47:33 <orionp> +1
17:47:35 <avij> thanks from me as well
17:47:51 <bstinson> smooge: thanks for all your work
17:48:03 <Evolution> I'm not saying thanks yet because he's not going anyway. I don't accept it as anything other than a title swap :-P
17:48:52 <nirik> :)
17:49:20 <smooge> ok you are all welcome. and with that. goodnight
17:49:23 <smooge> #endmeeting