18:00:17 <nirik> #startmeeting EPEL 18:00:17 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 20 18:00:17 2016 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:17 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:17 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 18:00:17 <nirik> #meetingname EPEL 18:00:17 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 18:00:17 <nirik> #chair smooge nirik Evolution bstinson avij 18:00:18 <nirik> #topic agenda gathering / quorum detection 18:00:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution avij bstinson nirik smooge 18:00:37 <avij> hello 18:00:53 <nirik> hey avij 18:01:08 <nirik> not sure if we have people around today, smooge is likely not around. 18:01:31 <bstinson> hi folks, i know Evolution won't be here today 18:01:55 <nirik> anyone have agenda items? 18:02:30 <avij> perhaps that torque issue, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1321154 ? 18:02:50 <nirik> yeah, I need to re-read that... 18:03:47 <nirik> are there any clear proposals for a way forward for that? 18:04:01 <nirik> #topic torque issue - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1321154 18:04:14 <avij> hello nucleo 18:05:09 <avij> unfortunately I'm not familiar with that package myself 18:06:18 <nirik> me either. It sounds like from reading the bug the maintainer could make it work by default with non numa by adjusting the default config... 18:07:24 <nirik> if so they should make a new version with that so the default keeps working. 18:07:56 <nirik> I can ask that on the bug I guess. 18:10:11 <nirik> ok, I added that to the bug. 18:10:16 <nirik> Not sure what else we can really do here. 18:11:02 <nirik> #topic macros 18:11:14 <nirik> more macros are in now... tibbs has been knocking them out. ;) 18:11:28 <bstinson> \o/ 18:11:29 <tibbs|w> The python ones are on the way. 18:11:36 <rsc> ? 18:11:53 <tibbs|w> That and %make_build were the last two I had requests for. 18:12:15 <nirik> rsc: ? 18:12:23 <rsc> nirik: no meeting protocol in effect for this meeting? 18:12:29 <nirik> nope. ;) 18:12:31 <nirik> ask away 18:12:33 <rsc> nirik: Oh :) 18:12:53 * nirik finds that protocol silly, but I guess it's useful when you have lots of people. 18:13:02 <rsc> How do the macro changes impact non-EPEL builds, say building a spec file without mock, but directly with rpmbuild on RHEL/CentOS 5 or 6? 18:13:20 <tibbs|w> Same as if you don't have the other necessary macro packages installed. 18:13:24 <nirik> if you have epel-rpm-macros installed I imagine it would work fine 18:13:36 <tibbs|w> I mean, rpmbuild never worked as expected if you didn't install redhat-rpm-config. 18:13:43 <tibbs|w> This is no different. 18:14:18 <rsc> Yes, but redhat-rpm-config is in RHEL while epel-rpm-macros is in EPEL. Thus rebuilding of an EPEL package on naked RHEL is no longer working if it depends on macros of that epel-rpm-macros package? 18:14:27 <rsc> So is there a risk of breaks? 18:14:48 <nirik> sure, but why would anyone do that? 18:15:06 <nirik> I don't think we ever made some promise never to rebuild epel packages without other epel packages. 18:15:12 <rsc> Ah. 18:15:30 <rsc> Last sentence explains it, because there are enough crazy people out there rebuilding parts of EPEL locally. 18:15:42 <rsc> (without mock or epel-rpm-macros) 18:15:50 <rsc> Thanks for the clarification :) 18:15:56 <nirik> well, they will need to mimic the buildroot from koji if they want to be sure to have everything work 18:16:10 <nirik> but thats really always been the case. IMHO 18:16:14 <tibbs|w> Which is as easy as yum groupinstall buildsys-build. 18:16:30 <tibbs|w> And, yes, this has always been the case. Of course, if you change anything then someone's workflow breaks. 18:16:56 <tibbs|w> The bigger mess is that fact that I can't define %license on EPEL6 if the scl macros package is installed, because then the scl macros break. 18:16:58 <bstinson> it does make us pay attention on the CentOS side (we rebuild quite a bit in CBS) but that's on us 18:17:28 <rsc> bstinson: isn't a mock RPM package in a CentOS repo, too? I thought... 18:18:07 <bstinson> rsc: well, we ship a version from EPEL for repoclosure over some of our client tools 18:18:28 <rsc> Oki. Sorry folks, didn't want to hijack that. 18:18:41 <nirik> no worries 18:19:00 * nirik still finds it fun that mock is in epel and not rhel, but thats a topic for another day. 18:19:30 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:19:34 <nirik> anything else from anyone? 18:19:52 <bstinson> nirik: we (CentOS) too have opinions on the mock subject :) 18:19:54 * nirik has been idling considering the idea of a FAD or bug fix weekend or something later in the year. 18:20:00 <bstinson> +1 18:20:16 <rsc> +1, but virtually or reallife? 18:20:27 <nirik> whichever would work best. ;) 18:20:44 <nirik> virtual is easier/cheaper, but real life might get more done depending on if we have targeted stuff. 18:21:26 <nirik> just a thought at this point... 18:22:33 <nirik> I guess I could toss a thread up on the list and see how much interest there might be 18:23:00 <nirik> real life might be good if we are doing something like adding more arches. 18:23:14 <nirik> bug cleanup/fixing things might be better virtual 18:23:55 <nirik> anyhow, if no one has anything else, will close in a minute or two 18:24:07 <dgilmore> bstinson: what kind of opinions? 18:26:27 <bstinson> dgilmore: CentOS needs a mock to ship for SIG developers (who may or may not have EPEL enabled) 18:26:56 <bstinson> currently we're working on tracking EPEL for that and shipping in CentOS-Extras 18:28:45 <bstinson> not to go too far on a tangent, but we're also looking at submitting some vanilla configs to see if they can be included in mock upstream 18:29:35 <nirik> mock has always been in a weird place. ;) not in rhel, used all over the place, builds against centos by default, etc etc. 18:30:36 <dgilmore> bstinson: okay 18:31:12 <dgilmore> bstinson: I see no problem adding vanilla centos configs upstream 18:33:00 <bstinson> we've seeded those to a few people for testing. patch to mock incoming soon-ish :) 18:34:28 <nirik> cool.. 18:34:36 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. 18:34:39 <nirik> #endmeeting