18:00:03 <smooge> #startmeeting EPEL
18:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 15 18:00:03 2017 UTC.  The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:00:03 <smooge> #meetingname EPEL
18:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
18:00:03 <smooge> #chair smooge nirik Evolution bstinson avij
18:00:03 <smooge> #topic aloha
18:00:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution avij bstinson nirik smooge
18:00:07 <smooge> Hello
18:00:29 <bstinson> hi all
18:01:14 * nirik is sort of here, also dealing with a email/notification issue
18:01:41 <smooge> bah it is just junk mail
18:01:55 <Evolution> nirik: ctrl-a DELETE
18:02:03 <Evolution> if it's important, they'll send it again
18:02:14 <smooge> ok so I had a couple of things on the agenda this week:
18:02:28 <smooge> #plans for the week
18:02:42 <smooge> #topic plans for the week
18:03:06 <smooge> so for the agenda I wanted to get an idea about anything EPEL related from devconf/FOSDEM from Evolution and bstinson
18:03:21 <smooge> start brainstorming ideas for the next year to complete
18:03:43 <Evolution> I didn't personally hear much this year about epel specifically... apart from armv7hl users wanting packages.
18:03:44 <smooge> go over some tasks I have for getting rid of old mailing lists and updating where text goes
18:04:07 <Evolution> but that feeds back into older, larger conversations.
18:04:09 <smooge> and then what we need to do to get builds somewhere
18:04:25 <smooge> bstinson, did you have anything from Europe?
18:06:01 <bstinson> there wasn't much epel-related from my end either
18:06:07 <smooge> FOSDEM went well?
18:06:34 <smooge> pitchforks and riots looking for things in containers at devconf?
18:06:53 <smooge> come on guys.. I really really wanted to go this year and you are basically telling me it was ok to miss it
18:07:11 <smooge> :)
18:07:34 <Evolution> we'll make sure you come next year
18:07:36 <Evolution> how's that
18:07:37 <Evolution> :-P
18:08:06 <smooge> ah ok I guess
18:08:24 <bstinson> definitely worth going :)
18:08:40 <smooge> #info Report from Devconf/FOSDEM. It was a boring conference and the beer wasnt anything to tell people about.
18:08:42 <Evolution> but yes, containers were quite the rage this year.
18:08:42 * nirik should go someday
18:09:00 <smooge> #info smooge has sour grapes
18:09:27 <nb> .hello nb
18:09:28 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nb@nb.zone>
18:09:35 <avij> hi, sorry I'm late
18:09:37 <smooge> cool. I think we are going to need to 'retool' whne we start looking for EL8 whenever that is
18:09:40 <smooge> hi avij
18:09:54 <nb> hi
18:09:56 <smooge> #topic Combining mailing lists
18:10:12 <smooge> So I brought this up last week and am just waiting to get in touch with abompard on what I need to do
18:10:30 <smooge> I am going to EOL the epel-users list and move everyone on it to the epel-announce list
18:10:44 <bstinson> +1
18:10:56 <nb> +1
18:11:10 <nirik> ok. I don't think that users list got much traffic
18:11:20 <avij> sure, go ahead
18:11:28 <smooge> I also want certain mails about stuff being orphaned and removed from the list to go to epel-announce
18:12:18 <smooge> I would like to try and cut down the surprise a bit when things like EPEL-5 goes away
18:12:27 <smooge> which reminds me
18:12:28 * nirik nods. very good idea.
18:12:43 <smooge> #topic EPEL-5 Apocalypse is about to occur
18:13:05 <avij> looking forward to EL5's EOL
18:13:52 <smooge> March 31 is ~45 days from now
18:14:26 <smooge> nirik, how does one stop new branching to a release for like Fedora-18 etc?
18:14:47 <smooge> because I think we will want to do that with EPEL-5
18:14:57 <smooge> and then archive it on April 2nd
18:15:08 <nirik> I can look into it. I thnk it's a pkgdb flag...
18:15:20 <smooge> sorry april 4th
18:15:32 <smooge> april 1st is a Saturday
18:15:59 <smooge> thanks nirik
18:16:14 <orionp> I think we would want stop allowing new epel5 branches at any time now.
18:16:41 <smooge> #info EPEL-5 is EOL March 31st 2017 (2017-03-31) We will be stopping new epel-5 branches now and archive on 2017-04-03
18:16:42 <nirik> yeah
18:16:50 <nirik> april 1st might be bad anyhow...
18:16:53 <smooge> orionp, yes. I agree. I just don't know how
18:16:55 <nirik> "just kidding!"
18:17:46 <smooge> bstinson, Evolution there was something I forgot. Keving worked last week to change how mirrormanager serves data. It will hopefully deal better with the "no mirrors" problem you have had
18:18:01 <Evolution> smooge: oh, fantastic.
18:18:06 <smooge> but we need to know about that if you can email us or something when the CI goes oof
18:18:14 <bstinson> do we have articles in the works for places like fedora magazine or 3rd party pubs? it may be good to do a 'press release' type thing
18:18:28 <smooge> bstinson, no we do not. That is a good idea
18:18:40 <bstinson> smooge: working on jobs for that this week. i think we discussed where to send reports...but i need to read my backlog
18:19:04 <nirik> yes, please do let us know if you get bad data/errros from mirrors
18:19:08 <smooge> bstinson, yeah I emailed you about it before you headed to Europe. It may have been lost
18:19:34 <bstinson> nah it's in my todo folder, i just need to find it :)
18:19:43 <smooge> #topic Ideas for the coming year
18:20:02 <smooge> OK time to put our thinking caps on or find our thinking log with a pot of honey
18:20:18 <smooge> I would like to get an idea of things we want to accomplish in the following year.
18:21:04 <nirik> it would be spiffy if we could get the container buildsystem we have for fedora to do epel containers... but I suspect it would need to be based on CentOS... so perhaps it should just be done in the centos side of things. :)
18:21:39 <smooge> 1. I would like to get some plan in place for non-RHEL arches by June
18:21:55 <smooge> 2. I would like to get an idea of how we can do builds in CentOS land for faster moving things
18:22:51 <smooge> 3. I would like to get a charter done by March
18:23:10 <smooge> That is it for me.
18:24:02 <smooge> and I agree nirik I think we need to work with Evolution bstinson on a container buildsystem for EPEL containers. [I think we finally have something that EPIC can be used for]
18:24:03 <bstinson> from the CentOS side of things, we (ci.centos.org) are hoping to bring in some test-related things from Fedora proper (integrating with pagure for example). EPEL is a good candidate to build up some package-level tests that would be relevant to both communities
18:27:11 <nirik> It might be nice to kill off easy bugs...
18:28:14 <smooge> #info 2017-2018 plans: Work with CentOS to get EPEL in containers
18:28:27 <smooge> #info 2017-2018 plans: Get charter done
18:28:46 <smooge> #info 2017-2018 plans: Get CI.centos.org to help test EPEL stuff
18:29:00 <smooge> #info 2017-2018 plans: Get a bughunter easy bug list
18:29:30 <smooge> #info 2017-2018 plans: What to do with faster things
18:29:41 <smooge> anything from you avij or Evolution ?
18:30:33 <Evolution> nope. bstinson covered it.
18:31:06 <smooge> ok well then
18:31:11 <avij> well, I was thinking about getting more people involved in maintaining the packages somehow. orphaned packages is a bit of a problem.
18:31:34 <smooge> #info 2017-2018 plans: how to get more maintenance of packages?
18:32:26 <smooge> Alright.. is there anything anyone else wants to go over for todays meeting?
18:32:55 <smooge> If not I will close out shortly so you can have a half hour
18:32:57 <avij> nope
18:32:59 <nirik> avij: perhaps we could do some 'so you want to package for epel' type days? have sponsors, go over some simple package stuff, etc
18:34:09 <avij> nirik: right, and checking that the documentation for the procedures is up-to-date, and that there's a pathway for non-Fedora contributors to contribute only to EPEL packages.
18:34:18 <avij> current procedures seem to be oriented towards "so you'
18:34:19 <nirik> yep.
18:34:34 <avij> re a Fedora packager and want to get your package to EPEL, here's how"
18:34:50 <nirik> even if there's people around to help most of the time, it seems like you get better draw having a special day you advertise (at least IMHO based on related stuff)
18:35:34 <avij> agreed
18:37:38 <smooge> #info research on how to do a set of EPEL Activity Days
18:38:06 <smooge> ok I think that is about it
18:38:11 <smooge> #endmeeting