18:00:02 <smooge> #startmeeting EPEL
18:00:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr 12 18:00:02 2017 UTC.  The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
18:00:03 <smooge> #meetingname EPEL
18:00:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
18:00:03 <smooge> #chair smooge nirik Evolution bstinson avij
18:00:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution avij bstinson nirik smooge
18:00:03 <smooge> #topic aloha
18:00:09 <smooge> .hello smooge
18:00:10 <zodbot> smooge: smooge 'Stephen J Smoogen' <smooge@gmail.com>
18:00:24 <nirik> morning
18:00:34 <avij> evening
18:01:50 <bstinson> hi all
18:02:47 <smooge> hi guys we have quorum. Evolution is fighting the good fight in an airplane or bar
18:03:22 <smooge> #topic old business
18:03:22 <smooge> #info EL5 is dead. long live EUS-EL5 (unless you are on CentOS)
18:03:22 <smooge> #info EPEL-5 has been moved to archives
18:03:22 <smooge> #info other old business?
18:03:23 <avij> I hope the flight isn't overbooked
18:03:23 <smooge> #info EL6.9 problems?
18:04:08 <smooge> so EL6.9 is out. I haven't looked to see if we still have packages conflicting or not
18:04:37 <smooge> CentOS people got their builds in CR done really fast and the regular release was last week?
18:04:55 <smooge> is there any other old business from committee or people in channel?
18:05:21 * nirik hasn't seen much fallout from 6.9... but that doesn't mean it's not there.
18:06:00 <avij> indeed, I haven't heard noise about EPEL problems with EL 6.9
18:06:29 <smooge> yeah.. I am going to do a repoclosure with CentOS 6.9 and EPEL-6 later today. Hopefully it will just be the packages RHEL doesn't ship
18:06:37 <avij> nothing particularly noteworthy as compared to some releases. business as usual, I'd say.
18:06:53 <smooge> bstinson, did you guys see any problems with the removal of EL-5 from your servers?
18:07:15 <bstinson> none that i know of
18:07:23 <avij> some people were surprised when CentOS 5 was removed
18:07:34 <rsc> .hello robert
18:07:35 <zodbot> rsc: robert 'Robert Scheck' <redhat@linuxnetz.de>
18:08:04 <smooge> hello rsc
18:08:23 <smooge> I expect it was the people who hardcoded kickstarts and such
18:08:51 <avij> people doing "yum update" and wondering why yum complained about 404
18:08:57 <smooge> oh ...
18:08:58 <bstinson> this sort of thing could be announced every hour for another 10 years, and someone would still be surprised :)
18:09:11 <nirik> yep. always some people late to the party
18:09:27 <smooge> yeah that would be surprising. we just have mirrormanager go to the servers with archives
18:09:35 <rsc> Maybe for the future a plugin for yum that messages after EOL that the software is EOL? ;-)
18:10:08 <smooge> a repository with updated packages that just have "README.IMDEAD
18:10:15 <avij> technically CentOS could do the same (point to vault), but .. honestly, those people need to wake up.
18:10:53 <smooge> well I got asked about helping someone with RHEL-4 last month so I don't expect that to happen soon
18:11:07 <smooge> I am just glad the 2.1 server died
18:11:16 <smooge> anyway..
18:11:20 <rsc> <- ordered ELS for RHEL 5 :)
18:11:31 <smooge> #topic new business
18:11:32 <smooge> #info sending charter to Council
18:11:32 <smooge> #info getting other docs out of wiki to git
18:11:32 <smooge> #info goals for the coming year?
18:12:00 <smooge> so I am going to send the EPEL charter that is in the pagure.io repository for the council/fesco to look at.
18:12:32 <smooge> and I seem to have run into the issue Kevin had with archiving things on the wiki.. people un-archiving them
18:13:17 <nirik> yes, that happens. ;)
18:14:16 <smooge> so I am just moving stuff over to the pagure so that WE CONTROL THE HORIZONTAL, WE CONTROL THE VERTICAL
18:14:33 <smooge> or some such thing
18:15:07 <smooge> finally I am going to put it to the committee and will put a bigger letter out to the epel-devel list.. what do we want to accomplish in the following year and what is needed to do that.
18:16:11 <smooge> it isn't something to answer in this meeting just something we need to come up with some specific, measurable, agreed upon, reasonable and time dependent goals.
18:16:25 <smooge> [and yes it is goal time at work... why do you ask]
18:16:56 <avij> sounds reasonable
18:17:38 <smooge> ok with that.. was all I had on my list
18:17:51 <smooge> does anyone have any items I need to put for next week?
18:18:11 <nirik> There was one thing I wanted to point at from the list...
18:18:20 <nirik> a package that is in rhel7-workstation only. :(
18:18:46 <nirik> I propose we allow that into epel with the same setup as limited arch packages
18:19:06 <smooge> ah. yes. I agree. Take the package from CentOS and rebuild it?
18:19:16 <smooge> with a lesser R
18:19:44 <smooge> bstinson, avij would that sound workable?
18:20:02 <nirik> well, rhel or centos... should likely be the same thing really. ;)
18:21:38 <avij> it's a bit of a mess.. but I can't think of a better solution either. apart from switching EPEL to build on CentOS instead of RHEL.
18:21:49 <smooge> well I was going with centos because RHEL-7 src.rpm are not available to general public anymore
18:22:27 <nirik> yeah, it's a complete mess. ;)
18:22:55 <avij> hopefully RHEL8 will be less of a mess. no idea, but I can always hope.
18:23:17 <nirik> I'm sure it will be a different mess. ;)
18:23:24 <bstinson> i think that should be workable
18:23:27 <nirik> but only time will tell
18:23:54 <smooge> nirik, do you remember the name of the package?
18:24:07 <bstinson> python-mutagen
18:24:13 <nirik> yeah, that
18:24:25 <bstinson> https://git.centos.org/log/rpms!python-mutagen/refs!heads!c7
18:24:28 <bstinson> ^that's the RHEL spec
18:25:36 <smooge> I am not sure of the irc meeting syntax, to call a vote but the proposal is
18:26:40 <smooge> EPSCO agrees to allow python-mutagen to be built for EPEL-7 using a lesser NEVR than the CentOS version as it is only in RHEL Workstation
18:27:01 <smooge> does that sound correct?
18:27:11 <nirik> I'd say '...following the same guidelines as for limited arch packages'
18:27:14 * nirik looks for the link
18:27:30 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages
18:27:59 <smooge> EPSCO agrees to allow pythong-mutagen to be built for EPEL-7 using the same guidelines as for limited arch packages https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages
18:28:20 <bstinson> +1
18:28:24 <smooge> +1
18:28:50 <avij> +1
18:29:21 <smooge> nirik?
18:29:25 <nirik> +1
18:29:30 <nirik> sorry, got sidetracked
18:29:36 <smooge> #agreed EPSCO agrees to allow pythong-mutagen to be built for EPEL-7 using the same guidelines as for limited arch packages https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages (+4)
18:29:59 <smooge> no problem.. the computers are a paging
18:30:07 <smooge> #topic open floor
18:30:27 <smooge> nirik, thank you for remembering that
18:30:35 <smooge> anything else for the open floor?
18:30:53 <avij> were EPEL5 bugs closed?
18:31:13 <nirik> yep
18:31:18 <avij> excellent
18:31:23 <nirik> CLOSED->EOL
18:31:33 <smooge> please all thank tibbs and others for doing that
18:31:45 <avij> tibbs: thanks
18:32:25 <tibbs> No problem.
18:32:39 <smooge> the others being Jan Kurik I believe.
18:33:17 <smooge> which did bring up that we need to have better documentation covering what we track and when we stop following EL
18:33:31 <smooge> ok I am out of things to type
18:34:25 <bstinson> that sounds like something we can cover in objectives for this year
18:34:25 * nirik has nothing more off hand
18:35:23 <smooge> ok cool. with that I think we are done
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18:35:33 <smooge> #endmeeting