18:00:02 #startmeeting EPEL 18:00:03 Meeting started Wed Apr 12 18:00:02 2017 UTC. The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 18:00:03 #meetingname EPEL 18:00:03 The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 18:00:03 #chair smooge nirik Evolution bstinson avij 18:00:03 Current chairs: Evolution avij bstinson nirik smooge 18:00:03 #topic aloha 18:00:09 .hello smooge 18:00:10 smooge: smooge 'Stephen J Smoogen' 18:00:24 morning 18:00:34 evening 18:01:50 hi all 18:02:47 hi guys we have quorum. Evolution is fighting the good fight in an airplane or bar 18:03:22 #topic old business 18:03:22 #info EL5 is dead. long live EUS-EL5 (unless you are on CentOS) 18:03:22 #info EPEL-5 has been moved to archives 18:03:22 #info other old business? 18:03:23 I hope the flight isn't overbooked 18:03:23 #info EL6.9 problems? 18:04:08 so EL6.9 is out. I haven't looked to see if we still have packages conflicting or not 18:04:37 CentOS people got their builds in CR done really fast and the regular release was last week? 18:04:55 is there any other old business from committee or people in channel? 18:05:21 * nirik hasn't seen much fallout from 6.9... but that doesn't mean it's not there. 18:06:00 indeed, I haven't heard noise about EPEL problems with EL 6.9 18:06:29 yeah.. I am going to do a repoclosure with CentOS 6.9 and EPEL-6 later today. Hopefully it will just be the packages RHEL doesn't ship 18:06:37 nothing particularly noteworthy as compared to some releases. business as usual, I'd say. 18:06:53 bstinson, did you guys see any problems with the removal of EL-5 from your servers? 18:07:15 none that i know of 18:07:23 some people were surprised when CentOS 5 was removed 18:07:34 .hello robert 18:07:35 rsc: robert 'Robert Scheck' 18:08:04 hello rsc 18:08:23 I expect it was the people who hardcoded kickstarts and such 18:08:51 people doing "yum update" and wondering why yum complained about 404 18:08:57 oh ... 18:08:58 this sort of thing could be announced every hour for another 10 years, and someone would still be surprised :) 18:09:11 yep. always some people late to the party 18:09:27 yeah that would be surprising. we just have mirrormanager go to the servers with archives 18:09:35 Maybe for the future a plugin for yum that messages after EOL that the software is EOL? ;-) 18:10:08 a repository with updated packages that just have "README.IMDEAD 18:10:15 technically CentOS could do the same (point to vault), but .. honestly, those people need to wake up. 18:10:53 well I got asked about helping someone with RHEL-4 last month so I don't expect that to happen soon 18:11:07 I am just glad the 2.1 server died 18:11:16 anyway.. 18:11:20 <- ordered ELS for RHEL 5 :) 18:11:31 #topic new business 18:11:32 #info sending charter to Council 18:11:32 #info getting other docs out of wiki to git 18:11:32 #info goals for the coming year? 18:12:00 so I am going to send the EPEL charter that is in the pagure.io repository for the council/fesco to look at. 18:12:32 and I seem to have run into the issue Kevin had with archiving things on the wiki.. people un-archiving them 18:13:17 yes, that happens. ;) 18:14:16 so I am just moving stuff over to the pagure so that WE CONTROL THE HORIZONTAL, WE CONTROL THE VERTICAL 18:14:33 or some such thing 18:15:07 finally I am going to put it to the committee and will put a bigger letter out to the epel-devel list.. what do we want to accomplish in the following year and what is needed to do that. 18:16:11 it isn't something to answer in this meeting just something we need to come up with some specific, measurable, agreed upon, reasonable and time dependent goals. 18:16:25 [and yes it is goal time at work... why do you ask] 18:16:56 sounds reasonable 18:17:38 ok with that.. was all I had on my list 18:17:51 does anyone have any items I need to put for next week? 18:18:11 There was one thing I wanted to point at from the list... 18:18:20 a package that is in rhel7-workstation only. :( 18:18:46 I propose we allow that into epel with the same setup as limited arch packages 18:19:06 ah. yes. I agree. Take the package from CentOS and rebuild it? 18:19:16 with a lesser R 18:19:44 bstinson, avij would that sound workable? 18:20:02 well, rhel or centos... should likely be the same thing really. ;) 18:21:38 it's a bit of a mess.. but I can't think of a better solution either. apart from switching EPEL to build on CentOS instead of RHEL. 18:21:49 well I was going with centos because RHEL-7 src.rpm are not available to general public anymore 18:22:27 yeah, it's a complete mess. ;) 18:22:55 hopefully RHEL8 will be less of a mess. no idea, but I can always hope. 18:23:17 I'm sure it will be a different mess. ;) 18:23:24 i think that should be workable 18:23:27 but only time will tell 18:23:54 nirik, do you remember the name of the package? 18:24:07 python-mutagen 18:24:13 yeah, that 18:24:25 https://git.centos.org/log/rpms!python-mutagen/refs!heads!c7 18:24:28 ^that's the RHEL spec 18:25:36 I am not sure of the irc meeting syntax, to call a vote but the proposal is 18:26:40 EPSCO agrees to allow python-mutagen to be built for EPEL-7 using a lesser NEVR than the CentOS version as it is only in RHEL Workstation 18:27:01 does that sound correct? 18:27:11 I'd say '...following the same guidelines as for limited arch packages' 18:27:14 * nirik looks for the link 18:27:30 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages 18:27:59 EPSCO agrees to allow pythong-mutagen to be built for EPEL-7 using the same guidelines as for limited arch packages https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages 18:28:20 +1 18:28:24 +1 18:28:50 +1 18:29:21 nirik? 18:29:25 +1 18:29:30 sorry, got sidetracked 18:29:36 #agreed EPSCO agrees to allow pythong-mutagen to be built for EPEL-7 using the same guidelines as for limited arch packages https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL:Packaging#Limited_Arch_Packages (+4) 18:29:59 no problem.. the computers are a paging 18:30:07 #topic open floor 18:30:27 nirik, thank you for remembering that 18:30:35 anything else for the open floor? 18:30:53 were EPEL5 bugs closed? 18:31:13 yep 18:31:18 excellent 18:31:23 CLOSED->EOL 18:31:33 please all thank tibbs and others for doing that 18:31:45 tibbs: thanks 18:32:25 No problem. 18:32:39 the others being Jan Kurik I believe. 18:33:17 which did bring up that we need to have better documentation covering what we track and when we stop following EL 18:33:31 ok I am out of things to type 18:34:25 that sounds like something we can cover in objectives for this year 18:34:25 * nirik has nothing more off hand 18:35:23 ok cool. with that I think we are done 18:35:25 3.... 18:35:27 2.... 18:35:30 1.... 18:35:33 #endmeeting