18:01:01 <smooge> #startmeeting EPEL 18:01:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 19 18:01:01 2017 UTC. The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 18:01:01 <smooge> #meetingname EPEL 18:01:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 18:01:01 <smooge> #chair smooge nirik Evolution bstinson avij 18:01:01 <smooge> #topic aloha 18:01:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution avij bstinson nirik smooge 18:01:47 <avij> hello 18:01:51 <nirik> morning 18:01:51 <smooge> hello 18:02:25 <bstinson> hey all 18:02:39 <smooge> going to look for the rest and will move onto the other parts of the meeting 18:03:07 <smooge> hi guys 18:03:37 <smooge> #topic Old Business 18:03:37 <smooge> #info EPEL state of the union at FLOCK 18:03:37 <smooge> #info EPEL activity session at FLOCK 18:04:19 <smooge> I was wanting to see if people had a list of things they wanted addressed in FLOCK items. I want to have a writeup of what I talking about by end of next week 18:05:54 <smooge> The main itesm on the state of the union would be the current growth of EPEL usage in different places, what things needing help on and why we arent moving as quickly as people want 18:06:17 <smooge> I don't think I have much more on that but if people would like things addressed please let me know 18:07:28 <Evolution> nothing to add here. 18:07:54 <smooge> OK well if you do get feedback from people about wanting stuff looked at in the state of the union let me know 18:08:17 <smooge> I am also hoping to get the focus on the 90 minutes a bit more so we aren't just sitting around waiting for beer oclock 18:08:28 <smooge> #topic old packages in testing 18:08:50 <smooge> Ok we have a bunch of packages which have been in #updates-testing for a looong time 18:09:40 <smooge> 862 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2015-1087 dokuwiki-0-0.24.20140929c.el7 18:09:53 <smooge> 624 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2015-dac7ed832f mcollective-2.8.4-1.el7 18:09:53 <smooge> 206 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2016-04bc9dd81d libbsd-0.8.3-1.el7 18:09:53 <smooge> 104 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2017-d241156dfe mod_cluster-1.3.3-10.el7 18:09:54 <smooge> 102 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2017-5f9a6163b4 tnef-1.4.14-1.el7 18:09:54 <smooge> 101 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2017-7ecb12e378 python-XStatic-jquery-ui-1.12.0.1-1.el7 18:10:46 <smooge> I think need to look at trying to get some karma on them or something. I expect most of these packages are 'dead' 18:11:44 <smooge> Does anyone have any idea on what a policy might look like? 18:12:07 <avij> well, it'd be nice if we could get people to actually test those packages .. 18:12:54 <avij> which might be difficult 18:13:30 <Evolution> would it be appropriate to suggest automated testing in some fashion here? 18:13:47 <smooge> well it would require us to make the testing happen 18:13:48 <Evolution> ci.centos running known tests for these packages? 18:13:53 <Evolution> right. 18:14:09 <Evolution> the tests would need to come from somewhere. doesn't help the *current* ancient packages 18:14:23 <smooge> which requires us writing tests that centos could run. 18:14:50 <smooge> I don't mind doing that but I think it needs some sort of focused person pushing that 18:15:21 <bstinson> we can run just about anything, this may fit in with the existing fedora-qa project that we have in its infancy 18:15:22 <smooge> who writes tests for stuff in ci these days? I don't think they magically get written 18:15:33 <bstinson> but depchecks/install tests might be helpful 18:15:34 <smooge> by AIs 18:15:51 <Evolution> smooge: some get pulled from upstream tests 18:16:02 <Evolution> bstinson: would know best about the rest 18:18:02 <smooge> ok so lets put that as a must do for the FLOCK. We must have some level of package testing done inside of CI :) 18:18:11 <bstinson> there's a proposed 'one-test-format-to-rule-them-all' that is kicking around 18:18:14 <bstinson> sec.. 18:19:16 * nirik is back... my gateway machine eth locked up. reading back. 18:19:35 <bstinson> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/InvokingTests 18:20:00 <Evolution> oooh, work to do at flock 18:20:01 <Evolution> I like it 18:20:25 <nirik> I'm ok with trying to get them karma or just unpushing them if they don't... since no maintainer has pushed them stable 18:21:12 <smooge> nirik, do we have policies already in other parts for this sort of thing? Or would I be drafting up something from scratch? 18:21:26 <nirik> no, nothing I know of... there's some old ones in fedora too. 18:22:44 <smooge> ok I will write something up this weekend for next week 18:24:18 <smooge> alright I wanted to start going through our documents and either updating, deleting, moving to GIT etc 18:24:33 <smooge> #topic Updating https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL_Updates_Policy 18:24:48 <smooge> I figure we can try to do 1-2 pages a meeting 18:25:50 <nirik> that one looks mostly fine to me... 18:26:17 <smooge> Any additions or removals from it? After everyone has looked at it let me know 18:29:45 <bstinson> looks ok to me, maybe we could merge the incompatible upgrades policy doc with this (so it's all in one place) and find an illustrative example of an incompatible upgrade 18:31:14 <smooge> OK I will look at that 18:31:16 <nirik> that sounds fine to me. 18:31:33 <smooge> mediawiki 18:31:58 <smooge> was a good example in the past.. but less so 18:32:09 <smooge> Evolution, avij anything on this? 18:32:30 <Evolution> nah. bstinson nailed my thinking already with putting the incompat upgrades in the same place 18:32:42 <Evolution> anything else I'd suggest would be tooling the webpage ala git 18:32:55 <smooge> tooling the webpage? 18:32:57 <Evolution> then allowing bikeshedding of updates in pr for things 18:33:10 <smooge> my plan was to write this in our epel pagure 18:33:17 <smooge> so I guess that is what you meant? 18:33:22 <Evolution> yes that 18:33:32 <bstinson> +! 18:33:35 <bstinson> 1, even 18:33:55 <smooge> ok cool 18:34:08 <smooge> OK next one for this meeting 18:34:13 <avij> ok, I agree with the above 18:34:16 <smooge> #topic Updating https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL-meeting-process 18:36:14 <smooge> As you can tell... I have been following this one to the LETTER 18:36:33 <bstinson> small thing, i just edited the meeeting template to reflect the current membership 18:36:58 <nirik> we stole this from the fesco one. ;) 18:37:07 <nirik> I think it is assuming we are meeting on fridays. 18:38:00 <smooge> I think this document needs a lot of work.. 18:38:29 <smooge> first off would somehting like this be useful for someone other than me to run the meetings 18:39:15 <bstinson> templates are definitely helpful 18:39:28 <nirik> it could be. it needs a s/Friday/Wed/ at least 18:40:17 <smooge> ok will add that to the fix list 18:40:38 <smooge> alright that is enough looking at dead webpages 18:40:51 <smooge> #topic open doolf 18:41:17 <smooge> anything for the general meeting? anything we need to look at next week? 18:42:06 <Evolution> are we planning a semi-official EPEL thing for flock? 18:42:24 <smooge> I have 2 items for FLOCK 18:42:35 <smooge> s/I/We/ 18:42:44 <smooge> 1. A State of the Union for Flock 18:43:08 <smooge> 2. A 90 minute workshop on EPEL stuff.. which we need to iron out by say the 9th 18:43:46 <smooge> Evolution, does that cover it or were you thinking "Beer" 18:44:22 <smooge> or taking a bunch of RHEL-5 boxed sets to a beach and setting them on fire while trying to summon Dagon from the depths? 18:45:34 <Evolution> I was thinking "hackfest" or bug triage or similar 18:45:38 <Evolution> but beer works too 18:46:31 <bstinson> porque no los dos? 18:47:46 <smooge> Evolution, I titled the hackfest : "EPEL For the Future" 18:48:52 <Evolution> that works. 18:49:03 <smooge> I cant find what I wrote for it though 18:50:33 <smooge> but we do have a hackfest 18:50:40 <smooge> ok I think I am about out of juice 18:50:49 <smooge> if no one else has anything else, we can end it all now 18:51:01 <smooge> thank you all for coming 18:51:16 <smooge> #endmeeting