18:01:21 <smooge> #startmeeting EPEL (2017-08-16)
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18:01:21 <smooge> #meetingname EPEL
18:01:21 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
18:01:21 <smooge> #topic aloha
18:01:21 <smooge> #chair avij bstinson Evolution nirik smooge
18:01:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution avij bstinson nirik smooge
18:01:25 <smooge> Hello all
18:01:27 <avij> hello
18:01:49 <Evolution> morning
18:02:03 <nirik> hello
18:02:11 <bstinson> hey all
18:02:17 <smooge> and we have full quorum
18:02:38 <smooge> I kept typing a persons name to say I am pinging.. and you showed up each time before I hit return
18:03:09 <smooge> Any other people with topics for the floor?
18:03:26 <smooge> if not..
18:03:29 <smooge> #topic Announcements
18:03:29 <smooge> #info RHEL-7.4 released. Lots of problems.
18:03:29 <smooge> #info Packages got removed from epel https://pagure.io/epel/issue/41
18:03:29 <smooge> #info FLOCK 2017 in 3 weeks
18:03:29 <smooge> #info https://flock2017.sched.com/event/Bm8q/epel-for-the-future
18:03:38 <smooge> oh that should be 2 weeks
18:04:17 <smooge> so the updated buildroots caused more than a share of problems this release.
18:04:44 <smooge> we have packages which were newer than RHEL that needed to be removed.. and we had packages which were too old which needed to be removed
18:05:09 <avij> yeah, it has been a rough ride
18:05:35 <smooge> then there was a problem with src.fedoraproject.org that removed some packages also
18:05:47 <pingou> removed?
18:06:01 * pingou isn't aware of any data loss
18:06:09 <smooge> pingou, I think the packages were retired
18:06:20 <smooge> so they were removed from the EPEL repository. not from src
18:06:21 <nirik> they were retired in master
18:06:27 <pingou> ah ok
18:06:31 * pingou got scared
18:06:32 <nirik> so they got retired in epel7 when we switched
18:06:35 <smooge> yeah.. sorry
18:07:16 <smooge> to the people trying to rebuild systems.. they were removed.. from a src.fedoraproject they were just 'retired'
18:07:44 <smooge> so I think most(all?) of them have been added back for that
18:08:12 <smooge> we need to look to see what other packages need to be 'updated' to the 7.4 version with a special tag
18:08:18 <avij> python-astroid is still missing, as far as I can see
18:08:48 <smooge> I wonder if it require something else that got retired?
18:08:49 <nirik> yeah, we hit a updates push problem with it this morning
18:08:57 <nirik> since it was retired it got unsigned.
18:09:06 <smooge> of course
18:09:07 <nirik> it should go out later today
18:09:41 <avij> python-astroid was the only disappeared package that I (or actually someone else) ran into, although there were reportedly more packages that vanished
18:10:15 <smooge> yeah. I think tyll said in an email he had a list of what was going back in
18:10:44 <avij> #link https://pagure.io/releng/issue/6945
18:12:40 <smooge> pingou, I see you are referenced in that ticket.. did anyone contact you about it?
18:14:54 <smooge> will check up with pingou after meeting
18:15:05 <smooge> anything else from people on these items?
18:15:33 <smooge> #topic ansible in rhel-7-extras https://pagure.io/epel/issue/40
18:15:46 <smooge> nirik, I wasn't sure if we had covered this completely last week. If so I can move on
18:16:51 <nirik> I think so...
18:17:11 <nirik> basically it's in extras now... get it from there.
18:17:24 <nirik> the epel one is still there, but in a week or two when they ask me I'll retire it.
18:17:48 <smooge> Evolution, bstinson my main want is not to break CentOS users on this one
18:18:16 <nirik> likely we shouldn't remove things from epel until centos N is out...
18:18:32 <smooge> does say Sept 5th look like enough time to get CentOS out?
18:19:55 <avij> hmm .. I don't see ansible as a built package in CentOS 7.4 base packages ..
18:20:30 <smooge> is it in the extras? or does CR break things out like that?
18:20:33 <bstinson> i don't think we've done extras yet
18:21:15 <bstinson> smooge: not sure about timeline, but there's a clean upgrade path from EPEL -> EL7.4 yes?
18:21:30 <smooge> seems to be
18:21:42 <Evolution> sept5 is very likely reasonable, yes.
18:21:58 <avij> I honestly don't know for sure. there are ansible packages in 7.3 already, built by SIGs (cloud, paas, virt).
18:21:59 <Evolution> cr generally doesn't encompass extras
18:22:03 <jwboyer> ansible is in Extras
18:22:12 <smooge> the main thing is if it gets removed from EPEL before 7.4 is readish both #epel and #centos will have a bunch more of "why can't I make my thing go"
18:22:43 <Evolution> eh, we're already getting that around the nodejs rebuild
18:23:37 <smooge> ouch.
18:23:45 <smooge> I think I have run this into the ground so
18:23:47 <smooge> #topic ansible in rhel-7-extras https://pagure.io/epel/issue/40
18:23:54 <smooge> or noty
18:24:02 <avij> as an aside for nodejs, https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2017-1788cd6310 may help (nodejs with bundled http-parser)
18:24:05 <smooge> #topic Document How to get stuff to docs.pagure.io?
18:24:41 <smooge> cool and thanks to the person who did this
18:24:46 <smooge> thanks avij
18:25:04 <avij> sgallagh is the guy to thank
18:25:28 <smooge> so this was more of a field question. I have been adding stuff to the epel git repository but am not sure how to get them published
18:25:39 <sgallagh> You're welcome ;-)
18:26:10 <sgallagh> For the record, that bundling is a temporary solution until CentOS 7.4 arrives, at which time we'll be able to swap it back to the system copy
18:26:18 <nirik> pagure has a doc on it...
18:26:49 <nirik> https://docs.pagure.org/pagure/usage/using_doc.html
18:27:02 <smooge> sgallagh, understood
18:27:21 <smooge> nirik, thanks.. google hated me when I was looking so I figured I would bring it up
18:28:05 <smooge> probably time to scrub my search cache
18:28:25 <smooge> ok I will follow this and start making things visible
18:28:37 <smooge> #topic Next Meeting Business
18:29:14 <smooge> OK so we have 1 meeting next week and then it will be FLOCK and our meeting will be held at Cape Cod for those who can make it
18:29:35 <Evolution> I'll be at cape code for this
18:30:03 <smooge> My main goal for next week is to work out any specific items on : In order for EPEL to mirror changes in current Fedora releases, it will need to be able to do modular builds. This work shop is to spec out the needs that releng needs in the system to do so, who is going to make those fixes and when.
18:30:55 <smooge> My main goal is to work out how we could either move epel to a release model versus rolling release OR something else which better helps users
18:31:58 <smooge> that will require looking at the limitations we have in koji around other work flows and if we need to alternate how we are doing things
18:33:40 <smooge> so please send me any ideas otherwise I will have to do a karaoke number
18:33:56 <bstinson> i like karaoke
18:34:38 <Evolution> bstinson: you haven't heard smooge sing
18:34:49 <smooge> #topic Open Floor
18:35:03 <pingou> smooge: nope
18:35:03 <bstinson> but those topics are going to be fun to brainstorm on
18:35:28 <smooge> I only know some Conway Twitty songs
18:35:45 <pingou> (sorry was late to reply)
18:36:01 <smooge> pingou, ok will see what was needing to be dealt with this after the meeting
18:37:05 <smooge> anything for open floor or time to close this out?
18:37:24 <Evolution> I don't have anything, no.
18:37:26 * smooge starts humming "Hello Darling..."
18:37:35 <avij> nothing from me
18:37:49 <smooge> ok wth that
18:37:52 <smooge> #endmeeting