18:00:54 <smooge> #startmeeting EPEL (2017-08-23)
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18:00:54 <smooge> #meetingname EPEL
18:00:54 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
18:00:54 <smooge> #topic aloha
18:00:54 <smooge> #chair avij bstinson Evolution nirik smooge
18:00:54 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution avij bstinson nirik smooge
18:01:09 <Evolution> mornin
18:01:09 <nirik> morning
18:01:11 <bstinson> hi all
18:01:14 <avij> evening
18:01:27 <smooge> hello
18:01:44 <smooge> this will be a short meeting this week
18:01:51 <smooge> #topic Announcements
18:01:52 <smooge> #info FLOCK next week
18:01:52 <smooge> #info RHEL-7.4 problems still going on
18:02:01 <smooge> Any other announcements for this week?
18:02:50 <smooge> I still have to finish my FLOCK paper. I have an outline but no slides or text yet. Hopefully will have that done by Friday
18:03:20 <smooge> The EL-7.4 issues are mostly the time drag item we have every minor release
18:03:56 <smooge> #topic Looking for ideas on how to better handle minor releases
18:04:33 <nirik> yeah, it's never easy it seems
18:04:41 <smooge> So we have a 2-3 minor releases every year (6.x and 7.x and someday 8.x)
18:05:05 <smooge> and our breakage is getting worse not better.
18:05:28 <avij> it would help if Red Hat produced packages that could simply be recompiled by CentOS without patching (like iptables and ipa this time)
18:06:20 <smooge> yeah it would.. sadly we haven't been able to get that in years in asking
18:06:59 <avij> and it would also help if they incremented the NVR of EPEL packages they adopt
18:07:27 <avij> but we all know that, preaching to the choir here
18:07:36 <nirik> I heard that there might have been a mistake in the 'new rhel package' process that didn't tell rhel maintainers to ask epel folks to retire the package/coordinate. So, might be better next time if thats fixed
18:07:49 <smooge> the big issue I have found with that.. is usually the developer owns both the internal and external version but only increments the external one
18:09:30 <avij> retiring is not that time critical, but they should really have a greater NVR for their packages than what is in EPEL
18:10:53 <smooge> the only time critical part is when the EPEL package is so old that it blocks how new packages are built
18:12:31 <smooge> the qt5 packages we had in EPEL were blocking RHEL ones so that fixes could not be made. and the EPEL http-parser got updated in EPEL after EL7.4 was 'cut' so it couldn't be updated by them
18:14:44 <smooge> ok looks like we aren't generating anything new here.. so I guess it is time to move on
18:14:48 <avij> I may be slightly biased, but having the pre-release packages in the CR repo of CentOS has been helpful for the past minor releases, and made the end user experience tolerable (but not good). this time we had some concerns about the packages so publishing the CR repo was delayed.
18:15:44 <smooge> avij, agreed. The CR release has been helpful in the past because we could tell most of the people affected to move to it.
18:15:49 <avij> I don't have a silver bullet handy for solving this problem now, so I guess we can move on.
18:16:29 <smooge> ok because I thought today was Tuesday and was just starting to build my agenda for "tomorrows" meeting. I don't have any thing else
18:16:46 <smooge> #topic open floor
18:17:04 <smooge> Evolution, bstinson avij nirik any other items we need to focus on for this meeting?
18:17:15 * nirik doesn't really have anything
18:17:29 <bstinson> nothing here either
18:17:30 <Evolution> I don't think so. I'm more looking at next week
18:17:43 <Evolution> and bribing nirik with booze
18:17:56 <smooge> OK in that case..
18:17:59 <smooge> #endmeeting