18:00:40 #startmeeting EPEL (2018-09-19) 18:00:40 Meeting started Wed Sep 19 18:00:40 2018 UTC. 18:00:40 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 18:00:40 The chair is smooge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:40 The meeting name has been set to 'epel_(2018-09-19)' 18:00:40 #meetingname epel 18:00:40 The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 18:00:41 #topic Chair and Introductions 18:00:41 #chair avij bstinson Evolution nirik smooge 18:00:41 Current chairs: Evolution avij bstinson nirik smooge 18:00:51 morning everyone. 18:00:54 Hello 18:00:59 evening 18:01:26 so how are you all doing 18:01:59 o/ 18:02:05 Ok this meeting is pretty short.. our first topic is! 18:02:13 #topic When should we meet from now on 18:02:17 http://whenisgood.net/zgt7jmc/results/bebba9f 18:02:26 thank you all for putting up times. 18:02:47 those times are GMT 18:02:55 or are on my view of it 18:03:06 oops. I didn't fill it in. 18:03:32 or perhaps I did and forgot I did 18:03:36 oh it says nirik did 18:04:03 I liked how you said you were available most of the time 18:04:20 :) 18:04:54 ok good times we have: Wednesday 1700 UTC, Friday 1600 UTC , 1700 UTC or 1800 UTC 18:05:45 * smooge tries to figure out how to see which meeting channels are busy when on Friday 18:06:40 * smooge fails 18:07:12 I have a slight preference towards Wednesday -- Fridays are more probable "travelling around" days for me than Wednesdays 18:07:35 I'm OK with Fridays as well, if you folks prefer that 18:07:39 ok so of those 4 times, which would people really prefer... (aka is meeting on Friday a going to be mostly 3 day we... what avij said) 18:07:40 holidays and long weekends also make friday kinda bad 18:07:49 yeah, meeting-free friday is still a goal I hold close to my black little heard 18:07:51 ok Wednesday 1700 UTC 18:07:53 s/d/t/ 18:07:59 I may not get it, but I like to try 18:08:35 #agreed New meeting time is 1700 UTC #fedora-meeting 18:08:46 I will put that on the calendar after this meeting 18:09:25 #topic Python3x VFAD ? 18:09:58 hey, not a bad idea... 18:10:04 I would like to propose a VFAD to push through a major update of python3 packages to python37 . 18:10:27 well, I talked to python maintainers and they were not keen on 37... they said 36 was there and good... 18:10:29 python37 is going to be a 'lts' releaseish so would match EPEL needs better 18:10:42 we can ask again, but thats what I heard from them before. 18:10:45 that is something i'd like to participate in 18:10:57 37 would likely be a better goal, indeed 18:11:57 perhaps after f29 final freeze starts... 18:12:20 not that I really know anything about this, but a "LTS" sounds good for EPEL 18:12:32 Python 3.6 end of life is December 2021 and Python3.7 is no less than 2023-06 18:13:00 but I would like to get an idea from python developers 18:13:03 * nirik is just repeating what he was told by the people doing the work 18:13:38 was there a reason 3.7 was bad? 18:13:42 lets propose a day and post to the list and ask them about it. 18:13:43 no I understand.. the answer usually is 'the one we are about to EOL' and 'the one which hasn't been released yet' 18:14:13 When is F29 Final Freeze? 18:14:23 well, when I last asked 3.7 just came out and I was told it wasn't worth the bother to build it up in epel... but I could be misrememebring or things could have changes 18:14:42 2018-10-09 starts 18:14:49 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/29/Schedule ... what nirik said 18:16:12 * bstinson ducks back into a session 18:16:19 So How about 2018-10-16 18:16:25 in any case whatever stack it is, we can work on fixing things and getting it all working 18:16:38 sounds good to me 18:16:56 that is a Tuesday so most other go/no-go and other meetings aren't on it 18:17:05 ok for me 18:17:39 not sure if bstinson meant he ducked into something and is offline or something else 18:18:09 ok I am going to put that out as a tentative date. We will decide which version of Python we are finalizing on next week 18:19:09 #info Tentative VFAD for Python3x big push is 2018-10-16. Suggested version is python37 18:19:21 #info however that may change 18:20:01 Those were the two items i had on the list 18:20:09 #topic Open Floor 18:20:25 Anything people have for the open floor today? 18:20:55 Not much. Did anyone look more at overlapping packages (I have not) 18:21:03 status on armhfp 18:21:52 I've been working on finishing the packages that were failing 18:22:15 yeah.. thanks 18:22:27 #topic Removing zabbix20 zabbix22 18:22:29 last weeks releases build without problems, except for "root" which I'm working on failing tests 18:22:50 oops sorry .. hit return 18:22:59 #topic ARM EPEL Status 18:23:21 #info pgreco has been building packages and run into some dead ones 18:23:50 pgreco, thank you for doing this. 18:24:00 yeah, no problem 18:24:16 #topic Removing zabbix20 zabbix22 18:24:23 yeah, root is a giantic thing. ;( 18:24:30 OK I forgot about something pgreco found 18:24:40 the current zabbix packages are EOL upstream and uninstallable 18:25:11 a package which was in either EPEL or EL7 when they were built no longer is in.. so they need to be removed 18:25:54 fair enough. Do the maintainer(s) know? I'd say file bugs, wait a bit then retire them? 18:26:18 smooge, if they weren't EOL, we could comment the BuildReq and rebuild without problems 18:26:20 ok will check to see if they do. A solution is that zabbix30 will be in the repo soon 18:26:28 .whoowns zabbix22 18:26:29 smooge: owner: volter 18:26:32 .whoowns zabbix20 18:26:34 smooge: owner: orphan; admin: sharkcz, volter - Fedora EPEL: volter 18:26:51 I will contact volter and see what they want to do 18:27:23 nirik, to retire them.. open a ticket in releng tracker? 18:27:36 yep, or ping me and I can do it. 18:28:01 ok will do so 18:28:17 I will have a report of the packages overlapping to the lists later today 18:28:30 and that is definitely it for my list of things 18:28:47 pgreco, I am putting your rebuild in as a standing item in our meetings 18:29:09 smooge, thanks, one thing about that 18:29:24 any chance, in the distant future... 18:29:31 to use koji to build those rpms? 18:29:51 that is part of my EPIC proposal and something I need to write up definitive steps on 18:29:58 just to keep them in sync with the others, and testing failure 18:30:16 my theory is on that is something like this 18:30:39 if we have builders, I'd like to rebuild "everything" using my version as a bootstrap 18:30:47 so we don't have to do everything again 18:31:01 and then keep in sync from there 18:31:22 we will have to rebuild them somewhere anyway if we are going to sign them. 18:31:36 if something fails in armhfp, that doesn't on other arches, report to the armhfp people 18:31:48 smooge, that is the point 18:32:04 not wasting time bootstrapping, just rebuild 18:32:11 but yeah, that would be the idea 18:32:28 I'd be happy to see pgreco's packages used as a base for rebuilds, if that's possible 18:32:45 yep.. the bootstrapping is useful because it cuts down the 'oh you needed to do X before Y? oh you silly man' 18:33:21 Yeap, that was the main waste of time while doing this 18:33:44 it will be useful to know because we will have to repeat this is say someone does a CentOS MIPS 18:34:14 well, hughesjr is working on epel/i686 18:34:15 anyway.. the topic and our conversation have drifted off 18:34:23 #topic Back to the Open Floor 18:34:54 so we should be able to "refine" the process 18:35:20 the trick of the other arches is that the current ones build against rhel and the others would need to build against centos... it's possible, just tricky 18:35:51 right 18:36:17 so I will write that up in the definitive steps needed for EPIC that you wanted. And you guys can slap me with wet noodles if it isn't done next week 18:37:17 ok I think that is all we have in our brains this week 18:37:30 ok for me to call it a meeting? 18:37:43 wfm 18:37:45 yea 18:37:57 +1 18:38:17 Thank you again all for coming. See you next week at 1700 UTC 18:38:22 #endmeeting