18:00:34 <smooge> #startmeeting EPEL (2019-04-03)
18:00:34 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Apr  3 18:00:34 2019 UTC.
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18:00:34 <smooge> #meetingname epel
18:00:34 <smooge> #topic Chair and Introductions
18:00:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
18:00:34 <smooge> #chair bstinson Evolution nirik smooge pgreco tdawson
18:00:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution bstinson nirik pgreco smooge tdawson
18:00:45 <nirik> morning
18:00:54 <pgreco> afternoon ;)
18:00:57 <smooge> hello
18:01:14 * bstinson waves
18:01:52 <tdawson> Hello
18:03:13 <smooge> #topic Agenda
18:03:14 <smooge> #info Python36 pushed to stable
18:03:14 <smooge> #info https://pagure.io/epel/issue/53
18:03:14 <smooge> #info https://pagure.io/epel/issue/33
18:03:21 <smooge> Evolution is out this week
18:03:44 <smooge> #topic Python36 Pushed to stable
18:03:44 <smooge> #info Many thanks to all who helped
18:03:44 <smooge> #info time to push more to python3 to epel7?
18:04:11 <smooge> tdawson, do you have anything which you wanted to add?
18:04:25 <tdawson> Just want to thank everyone who helped.
18:04:45 <smooge> well it looks like epel7 pushes failed last night
18:04:55 <pgreco> tdawson, amazing job!!!
18:05:04 <nirik> yeah, they did. ;) but we will get it fixed...
18:05:08 <tdawson> There were several people who did testing, found and fixed problems.
18:05:26 <smooge> i did various testing on things but wish we had more people helping
18:06:05 <nirik> I suspect there will be some people surprised, etc... but thats ok, we will just do the best we can to help them
18:06:20 <smooge> yep
18:06:33 <smooge> you get what you put into it
18:06:45 <pgreco> the plan has been in the works for several months
18:07:03 <pgreco> and it was publicly advertised, so...
18:07:11 <smooge> I just want to say that the people who worked on it did a great job
18:07:25 <nirik> +1 yeah, many thanks.
18:07:39 <smooge> anything else on this from people?
18:08:06 <pgreco> will the updates be pushed tonight?
18:08:26 <nirik> as soon as we sort out what went wrong.
18:08:26 <tdawson> Nothing from me
18:08:39 <smooge> #topic https://pagure.io/epel/issue/53
18:10:08 <smooge> So it looks like a package which has no longer upstream support with a different version having said support
18:10:47 <smooge> I think the general policy of 'announce, put in epel-testing for 4 weeks or +3 karma and then go'
18:11:13 <smooge> should cover it... and want feedback from the rest of the committee
18:11:27 <nirik> yeah, in the new world of minor releases (whenever we get to that) we would just tell them to wait for 7.7 or whatever?
18:12:43 <tdawson> smooge: I second what you said "announce, put in epel-testing for 4 weeks or +3 karma and then go"
18:12:52 <bstinson> in the new world, looks like they want to bump the el6 package too...which would be the usual process for that release
18:13:13 <pgreco> yeap, I'm a little worried about el6
18:13:48 <pgreco> but really don't know the package to have a clear idea
18:13:50 <pgreco> +1
18:14:15 <bstinson> +1 for announce/epel-testing/wait from me
18:14:23 <smooge> bstinson, nirik, yes for new world it would be wait for EL-7.7 and for EL-6 it would be bump and release
18:14:51 <smooge> I don't know if we will have the items in place for EL-7.7 so am not sure we could say that currently
18:15:03 <nirik> cool. No objections to just announce/testing now, just wanted to clarify the process after we have minor releases.
18:15:08 <nirik> sure
18:15:26 <smooge> ok I will agree and note in the ticket that in the future we would have them wait until 7.7
18:16:47 <smooge> #agreed "announce, put in epel-testing for 4 weeks or +3 karma and then go" (4 +1 , 1 abstain, 0 -1)
18:17:04 <smooge> #topic https://pagure.io/epel/issue/33
18:17:17 <smooge> Going through the old queue
18:18:02 <nirik> that should be a bug in bugzilla for the maintainer
18:18:13 <nirik> IMHO
18:20:43 <tdawson> So, that ticket is 2 years old, but it looks like monit was updated in EPEL7 about a year and a half ago
18:20:53 <smooge> ok will close out
18:21:06 <smooge> ok that is all I have for tickets this week
18:21:48 <smooge> #topic open floor
18:22:02 <tdawson> The monit in epel7 is currently the same version as regular Fedora, for those that are wondering
18:22:49 <pgreco> I have something, wrt altarch
18:23:17 <pgreco> some people have been asking me about a signed version of the armhfp epel release
18:23:48 <pgreco> I know they can't be built inside the epel infrastructure, and that's ok
18:24:28 <pgreco> but I'd like to know if it is worth considering building those from within centos' infrastructure
18:24:48 <smooge> so this was an idea I had about that.. nirik what if we signed the key that was used to sign the EPEL-7 arm using the key we use for EPEL-7?
18:25:31 <smooge> then they build the packages in CentOS signing with their key
18:25:55 <pgreco> my idea is to apply the same to i686, fwiw
18:25:57 <nirik> I'm not sure that would help any...
18:26:29 * nirik has no idea what centos infra has setup for this kind of thing.
18:26:44 <pgreco> nirik, there is none
18:26:57 <pgreco> all I've been doing is based on temporary infra
18:27:06 <bstinson> i'm personally sitting at -1 for signing with a Fedora/EPEL key. we *could* see about getting a CentOS SIG-like key
18:27:24 <pgreco> bstinson, I'm more inclined to that too
18:27:37 <bstinson> el8 is probably a good time to revisit
18:27:39 <smooge> so I am not looking at signing with a Fedora/EPEL key... just signing the key in a trust measure
18:27:42 <bstinson> but definitely for el7
18:27:52 <pgreco> using a separate epel-release, or whatever we want to name it
18:28:08 <bstinson> pgreco: the problem here is the branding
18:28:10 <pgreco> because it would also point to different servers...
18:28:13 <pgreco> yeap
18:28:23 <nirik> smooge: I bet the number of people who would look at that is... very very small. :)
18:28:26 <pgreco> it wouldn't be epel
18:28:32 <smooge> nirik, agreed.
18:28:41 <smooge> but it would answer the usual questions
18:28:57 <smooge> or we could go with the other idea like EPIC
18:29:03 <nirik> I signed the fedora keys for a while, then stopped and neither before nor after did anyone comment about it at all.
18:29:06 <smooge> EPEL packages in CentOS
18:29:26 <nirik> I think it should be it's own thing, yeah.
18:29:33 <smooge> nirik, understood.. it was an idea that came to me at 4 am a couple of days ago
18:29:50 <smooge> and I was going to see if it had any merit. and like most 4am ideas...
18:30:17 <smooge> pgreco, I would be happy to be part of any CentOS SIG to help out on this
18:30:28 <bstinson> pgreco: that's still on those plague builders?
18:32:45 <pgreco> yeap, still on plague :(
18:33:34 <pgreco> works so far, but with el8 around the corner, and Arrfab wanting to remove those plague builders
18:33:39 <pgreco> it may be time
18:33:47 <nirik> ah plague, I remember it well
18:33:48 <pgreco> smooge, any help I can get :D
18:34:02 <bstinson> i think we can probably come up with something
18:34:08 <smooge> I was thinking of making plague3
18:34:21 <smooge> with python36
18:34:43 <smooge> bstinson, what architectures does CBS build for?
18:35:56 <bstinson> aarch64 ppc64{,le} i386 and x86_64
18:36:09 <smooge> ah thus the problem with arm
18:36:12 <bstinson> we have armhfp builders, but i don't think we have any released content out of there yet
18:36:36 <smooge> ok so I think that would be a different meeting in a different channel then?
18:36:37 <pgreco> smooge, those armhfp builders came back to life with your ssds
18:37:56 <smooge> cool
18:38:30 <pgreco> well, all I wanted for today was to put it out there, so we could revisit at a later meeting
18:38:33 <smooge> bstinson, pgreco would this be better covered next week on Mondays CBS/Infrastructure meeting or a different meeting time?
18:38:35 <pgreco> so we did way more
18:39:07 <pgreco> I'm ok with that
18:39:17 <pgreco> monday I mean, what time?
18:39:22 <bstinson> smooge, pgreco: we can definitely work out the keys at the CBS meeting. we'll need a sponsor (which i'm sure we can find)
18:39:34 <bstinson> the build process we should probably hold on for a little bit
18:39:51 <bstinson> 14:00 UTC
18:39:53 <bstinson> on monday
18:40:09 <smooge> #centos-devel until #centos-meeting is created
18:40:42 <smooge> who can sponsor? Exxon-Mobile?
18:41:14 <bstinson> someone from the Core SIG takes on that role
18:42:03 <smooge> ok cool
18:42:10 <smooge> easier to get than Exxon
18:43:11 <smooge> pgreco, anything else on this?
18:43:22 <smooge> and any other items for today?
18:43:30 * nirik has nothing
18:43:36 <pgreco> not really, thanks!
18:43:49 <tdawson> Nothing from me
18:44:02 <smooge> ok thank you very much
18:44:38 <smooge> will see some of you next Monday in #centos-devel and next Wednesday in #fedora-meeting
18:44:46 <smooge> #endmeeting