18:00:42 <smooge> #startmeeting EPEL (2019-07-03)
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18:00:42 <smooge> #meetingname epel
18:00:42 <smooge> #topic Chair and Introductions
18:00:42 <smooge> #chair bstinson Evolution nirik smooge pgreco tdawson
18:00:42 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
18:00:42 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution bstinson nirik pgreco smooge tdawson
18:01:08 <nirik> oh look, another meeting. hurray!
18:01:28 <tdawson> *laughs*
18:01:45 <tdawson> I believe I detect a touch of sarcasm in your voice.
18:01:54 * smooge has only 3 more to do today
18:02:10 <smooge> ok so this meeting will be short
18:02:16 <smooge> #topic EPEL-8 Status
18:02:44 <smooge> We got most everything done in staging we wanted to get done. We need to reimplement those changes in production in the next couple of weeks.
18:03:28 <smooge> The two biggest bugaboos which need to be dealt with in the next 2 weeks are: how are we branching and how are we building (with modularity)
18:03:29 <pgreco> hello
18:04:09 * nirik sent out an email about the buildroot stuff... to smart people who can tell us whats wrong with our plans.
18:04:14 <smooge> tdawson has been building various packages in koji.stg.fedoraproject.org
18:04:53 <smooge> nirik, thanks. I expect we will find out that no matter what we choose.. we will be wrong
18:05:01 <nirik> yep
18:05:07 <nirik> count on it. ;)
18:05:23 <smooge> ok any questions or items?
18:05:27 <nirik> neither of our schemes allows for building against non default modules currently...
18:05:45 <pgreco> is it something we need atm?
18:05:54 <pgreco> I mean, building against non default modules
18:06:10 <smooge> nirik, so when I talked internally.. the only way to build against non-default modules is to make it a module
18:06:30 <nirik> pgreco: well, there are 2 big ones...
18:06:55 <smooge> what are they?
18:07:01 <pgreco> python2 is one I assume
18:07:07 <smooge> that is actually default
18:07:11 <pgreco> oj
18:07:12 <pgreco> ok
18:07:15 <nirik> javapackages-tools
18:07:18 <nirik> virt-devel
18:07:46 <smooge> so I got them in the grobisplitter version
18:07:47 <nirik> so, not much java or virt building can take place. :)
18:08:03 <nirik> smooge: did you also disable the default ones they conflict with?
18:08:26 <smooge> so currently they don't conflict
18:08:53 <nirik> ah, I thought they did
18:09:06 <smooge> they conflict at the modular level
18:09:14 <smooge> at the rpm level they currently do not
18:09:17 <smooge> however....
18:09:21 <smooge> that could change
18:09:22 <nirik> ok.
18:09:48 <smooge> oh sorry virt-devel does conflict at the rpm level and that is because it hasn't been updated since release
18:09:59 <nirik> right.
18:10:06 <pgreco> so, in theory, modules shouldn't ever conflict with base
18:10:21 <pgreco> in case of conflict, there should be another module
18:10:21 <nirik> yeah
18:10:26 <smooge> so building with it means building against stuff you might not be able to use anyway
18:10:39 <nirik> and to be clear this is the virt-devel module conflicting with the newer virt modules
18:10:48 <smooge> correct
18:10:51 <pgreco> smooge, unless you're building something extra for that specific module
18:11:10 * nirik is fine just saying, sorry, no building against those, make a module (when we get that working0
18:12:00 <pgreco> yeap, I think of it as nice feature for the future, but not right now
18:13:35 <smooge> at the moment, I am just wanting to get some stuff out the door and get an idea of how much we can't do until modularity building is implemented
18:13:47 * nirik nods
18:14:22 <smooge> if in EPEL-8.2 we realize everything should be modules.. then we should have the tools to make that happen
18:14:56 <smooge> ok I have 10 minutes and 2 items
18:15:08 <smooge> #topic EPEL  update knot package https://pagure.io/epel/issue/60
18:16:19 <pgreco> ok, this is a nice example of what we've been planning for 8.x
18:16:28 <smooge> I think this is pretty much needing Evolution bstinson and pgreco +1/0/-1 and it is approved
18:16:47 <pgreco> if the plan is to do that for 7.7, +1 no question
18:17:03 <pgreco> before that, I'm a little torn
18:17:33 <smooge> the issue I have is that we still do not have the 7 build system set up to do staging
18:17:48 <smooge> oooh nirik I just realized the name
18:18:07 <pgreco> smooge, we could set a really high karma needed
18:18:26 <smooge> since people don't like epel7-rawhide.. we should call it epel7-stagecoach
18:18:43 <nirik> I like labs...
18:18:45 <smooge> pgreco, agreed
18:19:10 <smooge> nirik, I thought you then said labs would conflict with the other labs
18:19:35 <nirik> oh right. hum
18:20:08 <bstinson> added my +1
18:21:02 <nirik> how about playground? it's a bit unserious, but kinda describes it...
18:21:32 <tdawson> I do like playground
18:21:37 <smooge> nirik, that was taken by something mattdm was going to do?
18:21:46 <tdawson> :(
18:21:47 <smooge> anyway.. I don't mind one way or the other.
18:22:00 <nirik> yeah, I think it was part of the rings thing... but it never really happened?
18:22:03 <pgreco> I like it, but it kinda gives the message that it is to do anything, not to stage big changes
18:22:25 <smooge> i will let whoever sets up the tags name it .. if I do it will be bikeshed
18:22:32 <pgreco> but, any name has it issues :)
18:23:14 <smooge> outside of that I think we are good on that one
18:23:29 <pgreco> yeap
18:23:44 <smooge> https://pagure.io/epel/issue/59 was the other issue but I think we are out of time for a long discussion on it right now
18:23:45 <nirik> I can ask mattdm if he's ok... or has ideas. :)
18:24:20 <smooge> like i said.. i don't care what the name is beyond it has something
18:24:34 <pgreco> other than again, discussion on the actual name, I'm ok with it
18:24:45 <smooge> the default will be sid at this rate
18:26:27 <nirik> we still have some time for figuring it.
18:26:27 <bstinson> pete...because he's the *prospector*
18:26:29 <smooge> I think we can vote on this in the ticket and approve it there
18:26:41 <smooge> ooooooh
18:26:52 <smooge> nope sorry I said I don't care what the name is
18:27:06 <pgreco> smooge, say it and close
18:27:15 <pgreco> so nobody can refute it
18:27:39 <smooge> do you think we can vote on this next week?
18:28:08 <nirik> perhaps
18:28:22 <pgreco> I'd like that
18:28:25 <smooge> other than that I think that is all I have for this week. I apologize for the short length on debate for this week, but meetings seem to grow
18:29:05 <smooge> #topic open floor
18:29:40 <smooge> ok thank you all for coming and I hope you have a good couple of days. I am off to go test some pre-release OS
18:29:48 <smooge> #endmeeting