21:00:26 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2020-04-24)
21:00:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Apr 24 21:00:26 2020 UTC.
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21:00:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel_(2020-04-24)'
21:00:27 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
21:00:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
21:00:29 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson Evolution pgreco merlinm carlwgeorge
21:00:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution bstinson carlwgeorge merlinm nirik pgreco tdawson
21:00:30 <tdawson> #topic aloha
21:00:45 <pgreco> hello
21:00:47 <carlwgeorge> howdy yall
21:00:55 <tdawson> Hi pgreco and carlwgeorge
21:01:38 <bstinson> happy friday
21:02:02 <tdawson> Hi bstinson
21:02:10 <tdawson> And happy friday to you
21:03:47 <tdawson> I don't have too much for the agenda, so feel free to think of things while we wait for two more minutes.
21:04:26 * nirik is only 10% here.
21:04:39 <tdawson> Hi nirik
21:04:44 <tdawson> 10% is all we need.
21:05:26 <tdawson> #info EPEL-6 is End of Life in 2020-11. It will be moved to archives in 2020-12
21:05:28 <tdawson> #info THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
21:05:49 <tdawson> Oh, I skipped old business
21:05:59 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
21:06:27 <tdawson> We really don't have any old business, but I did want to formally thank everyone for their help on the tickets and issues that got closed last week.
21:07:15 <tdawson> We finished, and updated the policy on stalled EPEL requests, as well as updated the channel conflict policy for EPEL8
21:07:32 <tdawson> And smooge got the point release archives done, for both 7.7 and 8.1.
21:07:40 <smooge> hello
21:07:58 <tdawson> smooge: Just wanted to say thank you for getting the archives done.
21:08:52 <smooge> no problem.
21:08:58 <tdawson> And ... I think that's it for the old business.
21:09:04 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-7
21:09:56 <tdawson> bstinson: Do you have a rough estimate for the CentOS 7.8 release?  (weeks, months)
21:10:15 <tdawson> Once that is out I was going to start my "will it install" tests.
21:10:44 * moto-timo joined late
21:11:02 <bstinson> the words in the following statement do not constitute a forecast about CentOS Linux release dates (because we don't do forecasts)
21:11:18 <tdawson> Hi moto-timo
21:11:31 <bstinson> but the mirror network bandwidth is currently saturated right now ;)
21:11:46 <tdawson> *laughs*
21:12:50 <tdawson> I just realized I put you on the spot, so thank you for sharing as much as you possibly could.
21:13:16 <moto-timo> lol. I just got what bstinson said
21:13:40 <pgreco> moto-timo: what? he didn't say anything ;)
21:13:58 <tdawson> Since next week is Summit, and I won't be starting my tests then, I'll plan on starting the tests the week after next.
21:14:06 <moto-timo> pgreco: yep. not a thing.
21:14:21 <tdawson> If everything goes well.
21:14:57 <tdawson> Anyway ... anything else for EPEL7?  I haven't heard anything major that needs to be talked about here.
21:15:18 <pgreco> no news is good news?
21:16:11 <tdawson> Yep.  :)
21:16:20 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-8
21:17:28 <tdawson> Since Red Hat put out a very confusing early annoucement about RHEL 8.2 ... it's got to be close to release.
21:18:00 <tdawson> I was curious if the EPEL8 repo's will be updated automatically, as soon as things get released, or is that a manual step, and thus takes a few days.
21:19:00 <tdawson> nirik: smooge: Will the epel8 repo get automatically updated when RHEL 8.2 get's released?  Or is that manual?
21:19:47 <smooge> it is automagic
21:19:58 <moto-timo> \o/
21:19:59 <tdawson> Cool
21:20:02 <smooge> it works until it doesn't and then I have to find merlin
21:20:08 <tdawson> *laughs*
21:21:01 <tdawson> Well, let's hope merlin doesn't have to do any more magic.
21:21:19 <tdawson> I don't have anything else for EPEL8 ... does anyone else?
21:21:53 <pgreco> not here
21:22:18 <tdawson> #topic General Issues
21:22:34 <moto-timo> Just some concern about the java client stack. fop needs apache-commons etc. etc.
21:23:15 <moto-timo> similar to the python34 move in epel7, it could be a lot of work to get java things working well in EPEL8
21:23:16 <tdawson> moto-timo: Are there conflicts?  Or is it a matter of getting maintainers?
21:23:38 <moto-timo> tdawnson: most likely just maintainers. I'm certainly willing to help.
21:23:45 <moto-timo> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1819818
21:24:00 <moto-timo> hasn't had any responses, but I wasn't holding my breath
21:24:19 <moto-timo> and I meant to already have filed bugs for all the dependent repos
21:25:08 <moto-timo> I've got concerns about java client world anyway, outside of any specific EPEL context. It's bitrotting and dying.
21:25:35 <moto-timo> witness eclipse status
21:26:15 <moto-timo> some might say let it die
21:26:31 * moto-timo may or may not agree with that depending on context
21:26:34 <moto-timo> :)
21:26:36 <tdawson> *laughs*
21:26:54 <tdawson> For people who like using it, I'm sure that's frustrating.
21:27:04 <moto-timo> yes
21:27:11 <tdawson> How many of these packages are in regular Fedora?
21:27:15 <cyberpear> (any Eclipse planned for EL8?)
21:27:32 <tdawson> Or are they in modules in Fedora, similar to what happened in RHEL8?
21:27:42 <moto-timo> well, as far as 'fop' goes, it's still fully there in fedora 32
21:28:10 <moto-timo> in epel8 it uses ant as a module for BR
21:28:25 <moto-timo> err. you know what I mean. ant is there
21:28:30 <tdawson> Yep
21:28:48 <moto-timo> I'll file bugs like what I said I meant to do. It's ok :)
21:29:03 <tdawson> OK
21:29:09 <moto-timo> meanwhile, watch the kokua festival tomorrow
21:29:21 <moto-timo> and make some maitai cocktails
21:29:26 <tdawson> And I think you might have, but maybe after you do, send another email to epel-devel.
21:29:34 <moto-timo> yes. I will
21:29:57 <tdawson> Anything else for EPEL8 and/or Open Floor?
21:30:36 <carlwgeorge> i'm making some progress on epel8 python stuff, so if you had missing buildrequirements it's slowly getting better
21:30:50 <moto-timo> awesome
21:30:53 <tdawson> Ya!!
21:31:11 <moto-timo> I need to look at your review request queue again carlmgeorge
21:31:13 <carlwgeorge> found a few circular deps as well, always fun
21:31:16 <moto-timo> I have a bugzilla filter for it
21:31:38 <moto-timo> sigh
21:31:40 <moto-timo> dep hell
21:31:54 <moto-timo> I love love love python, but deps are a pain
21:32:15 <moto-timo> day$job is Yocto Project. even worse there
21:32:21 <carlwgeorge> deps are worse in ruby and golang imo
21:32:28 <moto-timo> amen
21:32:31 <moto-timo> nodejs
21:32:57 <moto-timo> I'm old school. I want packages made from tagged releases.
21:33:03 <tdawson> Ya'll just listed my favorite places for circular dependencies.
21:33:10 <moto-timo> Not pick this random commit and it's good to go, trust us
21:33:37 <moto-timo> and just try to cross-compile. I dare you.
21:34:14 <tdawson> *laughs*
21:34:35 <tdawson> It might not be, but you seem to be describing go and it's libraries.
21:34:36 <pgreco> guys,these meetings are supposed to be fun, and you're torturing me....:P
21:34:42 <moto-timo> yes
21:34:42 <tdawson> *laughs*
21:34:46 <carlwgeorge> if anyone is waiting on me for bugzillas for epel8 (or anything), don't be afraid to ping me, i lose track of things easy
21:34:46 <moto-timo> lol
21:35:05 <moto-timo> back to mai tai discussions and guitar music for a saturday afternoon
21:35:20 <tdawson> Well, it's friday afternoon ... anything relavent for the meeting?
21:35:30 <moto-timo> and if anyone needs reviews, ping me. I kind of enjoy them
21:35:35 <moto-timo> No
21:35:42 <moto-timo> we've digressed into the weeds
21:35:44 <pgreco> not here, I'll start with dinner as soon as we're done
21:35:44 <moto-timo> :)
21:35:51 <tdawson> Otherwise, I'll give ya'll a half hour of your weekend back.
21:36:14 <tdawson> OK, take care, have a good weekend, and stay safe.
21:36:20 <tdawson> And thanks for coming.
21:36:22 <moto-timo> #coronalife
21:36:29 <pgreco> bye, see you next week
21:36:30 <moto-timo> Thanks!
21:36:33 <moto-timo> bye
21:36:35 <tdawson> #endmeeting