21:00:26 #startmeeting EPEL (2020-04-24) 21:00:26 Meeting started Fri Apr 24 21:00:26 2020 UTC. 21:00:26 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 21:00:26 The chair is tdawson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:26 The meeting name has been set to 'epel_(2020-04-24)' 21:00:27 #meetingname epel 21:00:27 The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 21:00:29 #chair nirik tdawson bstinson Evolution pgreco merlinm carlwgeorge 21:00:29 Current chairs: Evolution bstinson carlwgeorge merlinm nirik pgreco tdawson 21:00:30 #topic aloha 21:00:45 hello 21:00:47 howdy yall 21:00:55 Hi pgreco and carlwgeorge 21:01:38 happy friday 21:02:02 Hi bstinson 21:02:10 And happy friday to you 21:03:47 I don't have too much for the agenda, so feel free to think of things while we wait for two more minutes. 21:04:26 * nirik is only 10% here. 21:04:39 Hi nirik 21:04:44 10% is all we need. 21:05:26 #info EPEL-6 is End of Life in 2020-11. It will be moved to archives in 2020-12 21:05:28 #info THIS IS NOT A DRILL. 21:05:49 Oh, I skipped old business 21:05:59 #topic Old Business 21:06:27 We really don't have any old business, but I did want to formally thank everyone for their help on the tickets and issues that got closed last week. 21:07:15 We finished, and updated the policy on stalled EPEL requests, as well as updated the channel conflict policy for EPEL8 21:07:32 And smooge got the point release archives done, for both 7.7 and 8.1. 21:07:40 hello 21:07:58 smooge: Just wanted to say thank you for getting the archives done. 21:08:52 no problem. 21:08:58 And ... I think that's it for the old business. 21:09:04 #topic EPEL-7 21:09:56 bstinson: Do you have a rough estimate for the CentOS 7.8 release? (weeks, months) 21:10:15 Once that is out I was going to start my "will it install" tests. 21:10:44 * moto-timo joined late 21:11:02 the words in the following statement do not constitute a forecast about CentOS Linux release dates (because we don't do forecasts) 21:11:18 Hi moto-timo 21:11:31 but the mirror network bandwidth is currently saturated right now ;) 21:11:46 *laughs* 21:12:50 I just realized I put you on the spot, so thank you for sharing as much as you possibly could. 21:13:16 lol. I just got what bstinson said 21:13:40 moto-timo: what? he didn't say anything ;) 21:13:58 Since next week is Summit, and I won't be starting my tests then, I'll plan on starting the tests the week after next. 21:14:06 pgreco: yep. not a thing. 21:14:21 If everything goes well. 21:14:57 Anyway ... anything else for EPEL7? I haven't heard anything major that needs to be talked about here. 21:15:18 no news is good news? 21:16:11 Yep. :) 21:16:20 #topic EPEL-8 21:17:28 Since Red Hat put out a very confusing early annoucement about RHEL 8.2 ... it's got to be close to release. 21:18:00 I was curious if the EPEL8 repo's will be updated automatically, as soon as things get released, or is that a manual step, and thus takes a few days. 21:19:00 nirik: smooge: Will the epel8 repo get automatically updated when RHEL 8.2 get's released? Or is that manual? 21:19:47 it is automagic 21:19:58 \o/ 21:19:59 Cool 21:20:02 it works until it doesn't and then I have to find merlin 21:20:08 *laughs* 21:21:01 Well, let's hope merlin doesn't have to do any more magic. 21:21:19 I don't have anything else for EPEL8 ... does anyone else? 21:21:53 not here 21:22:18 #topic General Issues 21:22:34 Just some concern about the java client stack. fop needs apache-commons etc. etc. 21:23:15 similar to the python34 move in epel7, it could be a lot of work to get java things working well in EPEL8 21:23:16 moto-timo: Are there conflicts? Or is it a matter of getting maintainers? 21:23:38 tdawnson: most likely just maintainers. I'm certainly willing to help. 21:23:45 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1819818 21:24:00 hasn't had any responses, but I wasn't holding my breath 21:24:19 and I meant to already have filed bugs for all the dependent repos 21:25:08 I've got concerns about java client world anyway, outside of any specific EPEL context. It's bitrotting and dying. 21:25:35 witness eclipse status 21:26:15 some might say let it die 21:26:31 * moto-timo may or may not agree with that depending on context 21:26:34 :) 21:26:36 *laughs* 21:26:54 For people who like using it, I'm sure that's frustrating. 21:27:04 yes 21:27:11 How many of these packages are in regular Fedora? 21:27:15 (any Eclipse planned for EL8?) 21:27:32 Or are they in modules in Fedora, similar to what happened in RHEL8? 21:27:42 well, as far as 'fop' goes, it's still fully there in fedora 32 21:28:10 in epel8 it uses ant as a module for BR 21:28:25 err. you know what I mean. ant is there 21:28:30 Yep 21:28:48 I'll file bugs like what I said I meant to do. It's ok :) 21:29:03 OK 21:29:09 meanwhile, watch the kokua festival tomorrow 21:29:21 and make some maitai cocktails 21:29:26 And I think you might have, but maybe after you do, send another email to epel-devel. 21:29:34 yes. I will 21:29:57 Anything else for EPEL8 and/or Open Floor? 21:30:36 i'm making some progress on epel8 python stuff, so if you had missing buildrequirements it's slowly getting better 21:30:50 awesome 21:30:53 Ya!! 21:31:11 I need to look at your review request queue again carlmgeorge 21:31:13 found a few circular deps as well, always fun 21:31:16 I have a bugzilla filter for it 21:31:38 sigh 21:31:40 dep hell 21:31:54 I love love love python, but deps are a pain 21:32:15 day$job is Yocto Project. even worse there 21:32:21 deps are worse in ruby and golang imo 21:32:28 amen 21:32:31 nodejs 21:32:57 I'm old school. I want packages made from tagged releases. 21:33:03 Ya'll just listed my favorite places for circular dependencies. 21:33:10 Not pick this random commit and it's good to go, trust us 21:33:37 and just try to cross-compile. I dare you. 21:34:14 *laughs* 21:34:35 It might not be, but you seem to be describing go and it's libraries. 21:34:36 guys,these meetings are supposed to be fun, and you're torturing me....:P 21:34:42 yes 21:34:42 *laughs* 21:34:46 if anyone is waiting on me for bugzillas for epel8 (or anything), don't be afraid to ping me, i lose track of things easy 21:34:46 lol 21:35:05 back to mai tai discussions and guitar music for a saturday afternoon 21:35:20 Well, it's friday afternoon ... anything relavent for the meeting? 21:35:30 and if anyone needs reviews, ping me. I kind of enjoy them 21:35:35 No 21:35:42 we've digressed into the weeds 21:35:44 not here, I'll start with dinner as soon as we're done 21:35:44 :) 21:35:51 Otherwise, I'll give ya'll a half hour of your weekend back. 21:36:14 OK, take care, have a good weekend, and stay safe. 21:36:20 And thanks for coming. 21:36:22 #coronalife 21:36:29 bye, see you next week 21:36:30 Thanks! 21:36:33 bye 21:36:35 #endmeeting