21:01:03 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2020-07-10)
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21:01:04 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
21:01:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
21:01:06 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson Evolution pgreco carlwgeorge
21:01:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution bstinson carlwgeorge nirik pgreco tdawson
21:01:07 <tdawson> #topic aloha
21:01:15 <pgreco> hello!
21:01:19 <carlwgeorge> howdy
21:01:21 <tdawson> hi pgreco
21:01:24 <tdawson> hi carlwgeorge
21:01:38 <nirik> hello
21:01:46 <tdawson> hi nirik
21:02:16 <tdawson> Wow, we've got a full quorum in the first minute
21:03:06 <tdawson> I'm still going to wait my usual 5 mintues, cuz I need to step away for two of those minutes.
21:05:30 <tdawson> OK, I'm back
21:05:40 * bstinson shows up late
21:05:46 <tdawson> hi bstinson
21:05:49 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
21:05:50 <tdawson> #info Proposal to update Guidelines and Policies about module names and stream names
21:07:26 <pgreco> we needed confirmation that the module could have a prefix, right?
21:07:26 <tdawson> If I read things right, it looks like the modularity folk would like to not add -epel to the end of stream names, due to this breaking and/or making complicated the module dependencies.
21:07:46 <tdawson> pgreco: The stream name, correct.
21:08:08 <pgreco> yeah, something automatic would be good
21:08:13 <nirik> bummer.
21:08:19 <nirik> so has to be manual...
21:08:21 <pgreco> but that would break deps instead of builds
21:08:42 <tdawson> It has to be manual, but maybe we could get something into bodhi
21:09:15 <tdawson> So, even if they built a module with the same name and stream name, it wouldn't make it through updates.
21:10:08 <nirik> sounds like a gating test...
21:10:15 <tdawson> yep
21:10:54 <tdawson> That will take a little bit to investigate and/or implement
21:11:07 <tdawson> I'd like to update the policy sooner though.
21:11:46 <pgreco> but in this case, updating the policy would remove nodejs/10
21:11:54 <carlwgeorge> is https://pagure.io/epel/issue/104 the context for this?
21:12:01 <tdawson> Correct
21:13:00 <tdawson> pgreco: Well, nodejs/10 in epel-modules is already slated to be removed, along with nodejs/12 and nginx/1.18
21:13:10 <carlwgeorge> i knew we agreed that the module name should match the corresponding rhel module, but i wasn't expecting to get identical stream names
21:13:35 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Ya, me neither ... till it happened.
21:13:47 <nirik> yeah. ;(
21:14:29 <carlwgeorge> i'm in favor of changing the policy to explicitly forbid that
21:14:38 <pgreco> I'm ok with changing the policy, stream name shouldn't match
21:15:08 <pgreco> but I'd like to find a way that makes it easier for people to build for fedora and epel using the same data
21:15:15 <tdawson> Sounds like we have two +1's for the policy change.
21:15:39 <nirik> yeah, I am ok with the policy change...
21:15:48 <nirik> even before we can set the tests up for it.
21:17:14 <tdawson> pgreco: Yes, I would like to have a way to build for fedora and epel using the same data as well..
21:17:38 <tdawson> But for the time being, I think we need the policy change to happen while that is being investigated.
21:17:41 <carlwgeorge> which modules did this?  i don't see any duplicated stream names.
21:17:55 <nirik> they have since been removed.
21:18:11 <carlwgeorge> gotcha
21:18:42 <tdawson> With my +1, I believe we have +4.  Correct?
21:18:46 <carlwgeorge> related small observation, 389-ds in rhel but 389-directory-server in epel
21:18:55 <bstinson> i'm ok with the policy change
21:19:06 <tdawson> +5
21:19:14 <carlwgeorge> math checks out
21:19:57 <tdawson> #info policy change, as stated it issue #104 is approved by commitee: +5 for 0 against, 1 person absent.
21:20:04 <nirik> https://pagure.io/releng/issue/9554 (It was nodejs:10 nodejs:12 nginx:18 )
21:21:08 <tdawson> Should we open a separate issue to deal with setting up a bodhi check?  Or use this older one.  I'm thinking I'll open a new issue.
21:21:51 <nirik> well, who is gonna work on it? ;) yeah, probibly a new one.
21:22:25 <tdawson> I don't know.  I haven't ever written a bodhi check.
21:22:46 <tdawson> Maybe we could persuade someone who knows how to do it.  I'm sure for some people it's something easy for them.
21:23:52 <tdawson> Anything else on this before we move on?
21:24:37 <tdawson> #info EPEL-6 is End of Life in 2020-11. It will be moved to archives in 2020-12
21:24:38 <tdawson> #info THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
21:24:59 <tdawson> 5 months.  This is getting exciting. :)
21:25:14 <tdawson> In a "watching your grass grow" kind of way. :)
21:25:31 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-7
21:26:08 <tdawson> I don't have anything for epel7.  Does anyone else?
21:26:44 <pgreco> not here
21:26:49 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-8
21:27:53 <pgreco> 1 sec on this, I'm checking the nodejs package that was being replaced
21:27:58 <pgreco> don't remember exactly the hame
21:28:00 <pgreco> *name
21:28:08 <tdawson> There is the problem that the CentOS Devel repo we are pulling is still on CentOS 8.1 ... but that's being worked on.
21:28:19 <tdawson> pgreco: with the module stuff?
21:28:53 <pgreco> yeah, I was sure I had seen it yesterday
21:29:10 <pgreco> but my memory is not what it used to be ;)
21:29:21 <tdawson> Well, there is nodejs itself, but then http-parser libuv and libnghttp2
21:29:47 <pgreco> it was libnghttp2, but it isn't there anymore, so we can move on :)
21:30:02 <tdawson> Sounds good.
21:31:45 <tdawson> bstinson: nirik: it's been a few weeks since I asked about the -playground stuff.  Anything to report?
21:32:13 <bstinson> still waiting on me :( sorry
21:32:19 <nirik> not from me...
21:32:33 <tdawson> I probrubly shouldn't be asking in this meeting, rather before, but I keep forgetting to ask ahead of time.
21:33:10 <tdawson> Anything else for epel8 then?
21:34:01 <nirik> not from me
21:34:36 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor
21:35:47 <tdawson> anything else, or are we ok with a shorter meeting?
21:35:50 <pgreco> going once....
21:35:58 <nirik> going twice...
21:36:03 <pgreco> sold!
21:36:08 <nirik> ha
21:36:11 <carlwgeorge> at the grundy county auctiuon
21:36:20 <tdawson> Thanks to everyone for coming this week.
21:36:20 <carlwgeorge> *auction
21:36:21 <pgreco> good weekend everybody :)
21:36:31 <carlwgeorge> later yall
21:36:33 <tdawson> Have a good weekend, and good week.
21:36:44 <tdawson> #endmeeting