21:00:31 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2020-10-02)
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21:00:33 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
21:00:33 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
21:00:34 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson Evolution pgreco carlwgeorge
21:00:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: Evolution bstinson carlwgeorge nirik pgreco tdawson
21:00:35 <tdawson> #topic aloha
21:00:44 <pgreco> hi
21:00:45 <nirik> morning
21:00:49 <michel_slm> .hello salimma
21:00:50 <zodbot> michel_slm: salimma 'Michel Alexandre Salim' <michel@michel-slm.name>
21:00:51 <michel_slm> good day everyone
21:01:01 <tdawson> Hi pgreco ... I see you made it.
21:01:05 <tdawson> Hi nirik
21:01:10 <tdawson> Hi michel_slm
21:01:19 <bstinson> hey all
21:01:31 <tdawson> Hi bstinson
21:01:42 <pgreco> tdawson: barely, but yeah
21:02:04 * bstinson is here for the first 15-20m
21:02:09 * michel_slm wondering what pgreco has been up to
21:02:32 <rsc> .hello robert
21:02:33 <zodbot> rsc: robert 'Robert Scheck' <redhat@linuxnetz.de>
21:02:39 <pgreco> michel_slm: doctor, knee issues, don't ask ;)
21:03:13 <tdawson> bstinson: Since you are only here for the first part, is there any particular subject you want/need covered at the first?
21:03:30 <bstinson> i don't have anything here, just along for the ride today :)
21:03:40 <michel_slm> pgreco: my sympathies
21:04:05 <tdawson> Hi rsc
21:05:00 * King_InuYasha waves
21:05:07 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa
21:05:08 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
21:05:17 <tdawson> I don't see carlwgeorge yet ... I guess we'll hold off on his section for a bit.
21:05:21 <tdawson> Hi King_InuYasha
21:05:37 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
21:05:39 <tdawson> epel8-playground
21:05:52 <michel_slm> ^ I thought that's carl's section
21:06:18 <tdawson> I believe everything is done for the new epel8-playground.  All the old/autobuild packages have been untagged.
21:06:22 <King_InuYasha> I'm pretty sure that's carl's thing?
21:06:22 <bstinson> carl is off today, he should be back on monday
21:06:24 <King_InuYasha> ah
21:06:26 <nirik> tdawson: one thing left
21:06:36 <tdawson> Just waiting for the daily repo to regenate.
21:06:43 <tdawson> nirik: Which thing is that?
21:07:26 <michel_slm> tdawson: is fedpkg updated so request-branch won't generate an epel8-playground branch anymore?
21:07:27 <nirik> ah, no, it looks like someone did it. I was thinking the koji tags inheritence needed changing
21:07:47 <tdawson> Ah ... yes.  fedpkg.
21:08:14 <tdawson> But, I guess that's not the worst thing.  Getting an extra branch.
21:08:33 <tdawson> https://pagure.io/fedpkg/issue/414
21:08:37 <King_InuYasha> no, it's a really annoying thing
21:08:45 <nirik> some folks find it anoying.
21:09:00 <King_InuYasha> I'm looking forward to not having to do `--no-git-branch` anymore
21:09:10 <michel_slm> if there's no package.cfg it's not so bad
21:09:59 <tdawson> Does anyone have time to give them a patch?  Maybe it will go faster if they have a patch.
21:10:52 <michel_slm> I can take a look
21:11:04 <King_InuYasha> michel_slm: I think it's *mostly* reverting this commit: https://pagure.io/fedpkg/c/eabb5ae7dd0495f67b73d76137df78b84e2792ec?branch=master
21:11:07 <michel_slm> just the branch request logic, right? package.cfg is taken care of?
21:11:19 <tdawson> michel_slm: Correct
21:11:30 <carlwgeorge> .hello2
21:11:31 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: carlwgeorge 'None' <carl@redhat.com>
21:11:36 <michel_slm> I love reverting commits
21:11:39 <michel_slm> King_InuYasha++
21:11:46 <michel_slm> wow Carl is here
21:11:57 <nirik> not quite as nice as deleting things, but nice...
21:11:59 <King_InuYasha> also fedpkg needs to be made to stop complaining when package.cfg is missing
21:12:14 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge
21:12:15 <michel_slm> nod. I can do that
21:12:26 <tdawson> michel_slm: Thank you.
21:12:38 <carlwgeorge> sorry I'm late, was packing up for a hunting trip
21:12:42 <King_InuYasha> I think this commit is part of it: https://pagure.io/fedpkg/c/702d68544d20e9cc3f2eb820dacb12f5fd76e8b0?branch=master
21:12:46 * michel_slm trying to hit his open source contribution quota of the week :p
21:12:46 <King_InuYasha> but there might be more
21:12:48 <King_InuYasha> :D
21:13:00 * King_InuYasha is on PTO and has tremendously failed to relax
21:13:40 <nirik> King_InuYasha: it's hard in this year of 2020. ;(
21:13:44 <King_InuYasha> yeah
21:13:48 * pgreco searches for the workd "relax" in the dictionary
21:14:02 <King_InuYasha> as I said in that FESCo session, learning how to do that this year has been really hard
21:14:22 <michel_slm> yeah, that second commit looks like it should not be blindly reverted. we want to keep the logic mapping epel8-playground to epel8
21:14:26 <tdawson> #info michel_slm has volunteered to help get fedpkg reverted for epel-playground.
21:14:41 * michel_slm notices pgreco's Freudian slip with workd
21:14:53 <pgreco> michel_slm: omg!!!
21:14:57 <King_InuYasha> :D
21:15:02 <tdawson> :)
21:15:20 <pgreco> tdawson: move on please, hehe ;)
21:15:28 <tdawson> Anything else with playground before we move on to epel-next?
21:16:03 <tdawson> OK, epel-next ... carlwgeorge I'll turn it over to you
21:16:47 <carlwgeorge> I sent an email to the list yesterday with the steps as I see them
21:17:58 <carlwgeorge> most of it is releng work that I'm going to nag nirik and mboddu to give me permissions to do myself
21:18:30 <King_InuYasha> haha
21:18:32 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: If you are able to do that, then that would take care of my biggest ... concern.
21:18:35 <pgreco> carlwgeorge: perfect timing
21:18:49 <carlwgeorge> I'm ready for the committee to vote on it I think, unless y'all want to give it more bake time on list
21:19:26 <pgreco> I'm +1 barring some specific releng concerns (which I'm not aware of)
21:20:10 <nirik> fun times
21:20:15 <King_InuYasha> not on the committee myself (I think?), but I'm +1
21:20:20 <mboddu> carlwgeorge: Can you create a ticket at pagure.io/releng explaining what you are planning to do (link to the email is fine) and why you are requesting the permissions, just for book keeping
21:20:24 <mboddu> ?
21:20:24 <tdawson> I like the plan, I just haven't heard from those that will be doing the work.
21:20:49 <carlwgeorge> mboddu: absolutely
21:20:51 <King_InuYasha> it sounds like carlwgeorge is doing the work :)
21:21:03 <nirik> I have the email marked to read and reply to.
21:21:10 <nirik> I just havent gotten to it yet.
21:21:34 <tdawson> mboddu: nirik: Do you think it will be possible for carlwgeorge to have the permissions?  If you do, then I'll give my +1
21:22:39 <mboddu> tdawson: Only if he promises to fedora releng with other stuff too :P
21:22:45 <mboddu> to help*
21:23:10 <nirik> I don't know.
21:23:12 <carlwgeorge> that's my supr sekrit goal
21:23:13 <nirik> I need to read it.
21:23:18 <mboddu> I hope I didn't scare away carlwgeorge
21:24:01 <tdawson> nirik: Did you want us to wait another week?  Have some more bake time and disucssion in email?
21:24:04 <carlwgeorge> quick question about fedscm-admin changes.  looks like it needs sla dates.  how do we feel about 2022-05-31?  thats my guess for the 1yr planned overlap of stream 8 and stream 9, with a little buffer room.
21:24:23 <tdawson> I'm fine either way, voting now, or voting next week.
21:24:43 <nirik> well, I was off for a few minutes there when my UPS with my router died... so I might be confused... are we talking about the epel-extras plan carl sent to the list this morning?
21:24:54 <King_InuYasha> yes
21:25:22 <carlwgeorge> you didn't miss anything, just me asking if were ready to vote
21:25:23 <nirik> ok then, yes, I would appreciate time to read it. ;) I'm sure it's fine... but I don't like agreeing to things I haven't read.
21:25:38 <nirik> Someone might stick in a clause about eating brocolli or something. ;)
21:25:45 <tdawson> *laughs*
21:26:09 * King_InuYasha snorts
21:26:24 * michel_slm wonders what nirik does when he encounters a new software license
21:26:29 <tdawson> I'm fine waiting another week.  I was the only one who replied, and there might be others with idea.
21:27:07 <bstinson> i'm in favor, but i'm also fine waiting another week to officially say so
21:27:07 <carlwgeorge> I have no problem waiting. since it looks like it will pass I don't mind prepping some of the work and docs.
21:27:08 <mboddu> I +1 waiting another week
21:27:15 <nirik> I get the sads. ;)
21:27:32 <King_InuYasha> I just have been trying to stay away from MLs this week
21:27:38 <King_InuYasha> just have been very unsuccessful :(
21:28:57 <tdawson> Then ... anything we need to discuss here about epel-next?  Or can it all be via email, and next weeks meeting?
21:29:39 <nirik> sorry I didn't get caught up on that post. But yeah, we can deal with anything in mail or next week
21:31:09 <tdawson> I'll take the long pause to mean "Yep, lets move on"
21:32:10 <tdawson> Changing subject to  EPEL-Packaging-SIG ... michel_slm do you want to take the floor.
21:32:22 <michel_slm> howdy, yes
21:32:59 <carlwgeorge> nirik: no worries, my fault for waiting until last night to send that
21:33:21 <michel_slm> some updates on this front. smooge set up the mailing list and FAS group last week, and nirik added it to src.fedoraproject.org today. I've set up the Bugzilla account and added everyone who asked to be added
21:34:02 <King_InuYasha> woot
21:34:04 <tdawson> Ya!! Progress!!
21:34:05 <michel_slm> so what's missing is documentation on my part. I want to wait until the bugzilla sync so the group properly get added to packages it has commit access to
21:34:44 <pgreco> I got my notification about 3 hours ago :)
21:34:47 <michel_slm> related development, Facebook now considered Fedora an approved project so any employee can just add themselves to a list to be cleared to contribute to anything on src.fedoraproject.org :)
21:35:21 <tdawson> michel_slm: Ya!!  more progress.
21:35:23 <michel_slm> and... I think that's it. I'll start adding proposed automation ideas as tickets on EPEL's pagure
21:35:28 <nirik> nice!
21:35:38 <michel_slm> it took a while, at first our lawyer wants us to apply for individual repos
21:35:56 <michel_slm> I think convincing them these are package specs and fall automatically under MIT license by default assuaged them
21:36:43 <King_InuYasha> yey, FPCA saves us
21:36:48 <tdawson> Thank you to you, and whoever else, helped with that.
21:37:18 <michel_slm> yeah, the FPCA is nice :) we're OK with CLAs in general anyway
21:37:29 <michel_slm> I'll forward the thanks to Davide (Cavalca)
21:37:41 <michel_slm> next topic?
21:38:09 <tdawson> Thank you ... I think that's almost all of old business ...
21:38:14 <tdawson> #info EPEL-6 is End of Life in 2020-11. It will be moved to archives in 2020-12
21:38:16 <tdawson> #info THIS IS NOT A DRILL - Less than 2 months left
21:38:32 <King_InuYasha> :D
21:38:40 <King_InuYasha> it can't come soon enough
21:38:45 <King_InuYasha> no more EPEL 6
21:38:47 <tdawson> I will be sending out anothe email this week, with the actually date ... 2020-11-30
21:38:47 <King_InuYasha> no more RHEL 6
21:38:57 * pgreco remembers he still has 3 el6 servers...
21:39:00 * michel_slm bought a nice bottle of port he will crack open on that day
21:39:17 <nirik> yeah, it served long and well... time to say goodbye
21:39:44 <King_InuYasha> no more caring about pre-usrmerge and pre-systemd :D
21:39:49 <michel_slm> it's the first EL release I ever deployed in anger
21:40:01 <King_InuYasha> haha
21:40:28 <tdawson> S.L. 6 was the last Scientific Linux release I made ... I've been at Red Hat since then.
21:40:28 * michel_slm getting teary-eyed
21:40:50 <michel_slm> tdawson: oh, that's what we used! something about it being more up to date with security updates if I recall
21:40:57 <nirik> I remember it shipping with fc6 packages. ;)
21:41:02 <michel_slm> (we = me at a previous job)
21:41:08 <King_InuYasha> yeah, I used SL for a long time because it had updateinfo
21:41:15 <King_InuYasha> which meant yum actually *worked*
21:41:22 <tdawson> It was just plain better. :)  But I'm a little biased.
21:41:46 <tdawson> Anyway ... on to the next one that just went into maintenance mode ...
21:41:51 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-7
21:42:20 <King_InuYasha> 4 more years...
21:42:24 <tdawson> RHEL 7.9 was released this week ... but I don't think it has any major changes.
21:43:02 <michel_slm> has the minor release gone into double digits before? can't remember
21:43:08 <nirik> yep
21:43:28 <bstinson> 5 got all the way to 5.11
21:43:33 <tdawson> I'm going to try to run my "does-it-install" this week ... but I'm not planning on doing anything until CentOS 7.9 comes out.
21:44:10 <pgreco> and 6 will EOL at 10
21:44:10 <King_InuYasha> RHEL 7 will be the first to not do that, probably
21:44:15 <nirik> looks like 10 is what they normally plan...
21:44:32 <pgreco> well, that was before the 6 month cadence
21:44:36 <King_InuYasha> RHEL 7 was also the only RHEL release where systemd was upgraded
21:44:44 <nirik> 8 is planned to go to 8.10
21:45:32 <nirik> they also upgraded gnome and a bunch of other things. :)
21:45:42 <cyberpear> are we archiving off a copy of EPEL 7? (prior to 7.9)
21:45:43 <King_InuYasha> that part is probably going to continue into RHEL 8
21:45:54 <King_InuYasha> cyberpear: why would we?
21:46:02 <michel_slm> yeah, though sadly the upgraded gnome is still one release too old for Material Shell :p
21:46:08 <tdawson> Oh, that's right.  It's the new thing we did.
21:46:13 <cyberpear> we did for 7.7 IIRC
21:46:27 <tdawson> smooge: nirik: Do you need a ticket for that?
21:46:28 <nirik> yeah, we should, but we didn't. ;)
21:46:33 <nirik> yes please.
21:46:58 <tdawson> OK, I'll make one right after this meeting.  Get it done before too much happens.
21:47:50 <tdawson> King_InuYasha: It's something we started, so that if/when there are library changes that break things, people running the older releases still can still have access to the last build of epel packages.
21:48:00 <King_InuYasha> ah
21:48:03 <King_InuYasha> well then
21:48:44 <tdawson> Anything else for EPEL7 ?
21:49:43 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-8
21:50:25 <tdawson> I don't hae anything for epel8, that we haven't already discussed.
21:51:36 <tdawson> I'll take the long pause of silence to mean nobody else has any epel8 stuff.
21:51:46 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor
21:52:29 <michel_slm> I have some epel8 builds I want to trigger, that I can use to dogfood my fedpkg changes
21:53:27 <tdawson> michel_slm: Do you need permissions?  Or do you want someone else to try your changes?
21:55:11 <tdawson> Well, we are running sort on time, and I'm thinking more than a couple folks are starting their weekend right now. :)
21:55:26 <michel_slm> tdawson: I'll just submit a pull request first, I think
21:55:39 <michel_slm> and no, I don't need permission to push my changes, thanks :)
21:56:26 <tdawson> Thanks to everyone for coming and joining the dicussions, and volunteering your time.  Ya'll are great.
21:56:48 <michel_slm> thanks tdawson for chairing
21:56:58 <nirik> thanks tdawson.
21:57:08 <tdawson> Talk to everyone next week.
21:57:18 <tdawson> #endmeeting