21:01:03 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2020-10-23)
21:01:03 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Oct 23 21:01:03 2020 UTC.
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21:01:03 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel_(2020-10-23)'
21:01:05 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
21:01:05 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
21:01:06 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson pgreco carlwgeorge
21:01:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: bstinson carlwgeorge nirik pgreco tdawson
21:01:08 <tdawson> #topic aloha
21:01:28 <carlwgeorge> howdy yall
21:01:40 <nirik> hi. I'm on PTO today, but happen to be around, so I guess I can be here...
21:01:43 <michel_slm> aloha
21:01:50 <michel_slm> .hello salimma
21:01:52 <zodbot> michel_slm: salimma 'Michel Alexandre Salim' <michel@michel-slm.name>
21:01:57 <rsc> .hello robert
21:01:58 <zodbot> rsc: robert 'Robert Scheck' <redhat@linuxnetz.de>
21:02:00 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge
21:02:01 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa
21:02:03 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
21:02:03 <tdawson> Hi nirik
21:02:05 * King_InuYasha waves
21:02:14 <tdawson> Hi michel_slm
21:02:21 <tdawson> Hi rsc
21:02:28 <tdawson> Hi King_InuYasha
21:02:51 <tdawson> Quite the crowd this week
21:04:38 <tdawson> Hmm ... I wonder if pgreco is going to make it.
21:05:20 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
21:05:21 <tdawson> epel8-playground / fedpkg
21:05:50 <tdawson> michel_slm: I know you were going to busy, were you and/or pgreco able to make any progress on fedpkg ?
21:06:50 <michel_slm> tdawson: I didn't, sorry. between taking time off and now we have an initiative to get FB projects packaged in Fedora I've not had time yet
21:06:56 <michel_slm> pgreco: here?
21:07:34 <tdawson> No, I don't think he's here this week.
21:07:35 <michel_slm> I'll be fully focused on that and prepping for our internal F33 release, but should be less busy after mid of next week -- but that shouldn't stop someone else taking a look in the meantime
21:08:21 <tdawson> I know I won't have any time for two weeks.  But if I remember right, you have your changes here - https://pagure.io/fork/salimma/fedpkg/tree/no-epel-playground
21:09:08 <tdawson> Does anyone else have any time that they'd be able to finish that up?
21:10:11 <pgreco> Hi, sorry I'm late, work got in the way....
21:10:17 <michel_slm> yeah, everything should be there. I have a test case that I think should cover the new behavior but didn't have time to look at the internals to see why it's not working as expected
21:10:34 <michel_slm> pgreco: and we've only mentioned you once ;)
21:11:00 <pgreco> hehe, yeap, I was on a call until now :(
21:11:09 <pgreco> hopefully that will be the last of the day
21:11:22 <pgreco> sorry, no time to look ad fedpkg
21:11:35 <tdawson> OK
21:12:03 <tdawson> Well, I guess it can wait another week or two.
21:12:45 <pgreco> michel_slm: let me know when you're working on that and we'll take a look together
21:13:09 <pgreco> it will be easier if I'm forced to work on it
21:13:16 <tdawson> :)
21:13:32 <tdawson> Moving on to epel8-next
21:13:42 <michel_slm> pgreco: likely Wednesday next week
21:13:45 <michel_slm> I'll ping you
21:14:21 <pgreco> perfect
21:14:40 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: How is epel8-next going on.  We never did official approve / disapprove ... did you want to do that today?
21:14:55 <carlwgeorge> nothing new to report, we're in agreement to hold off until after the f33 release
21:15:08 <carlwgeorge> sure, we can do an official vote on it
21:16:24 <tdawson> I think last time, most everyone agreed on it, but nirik wanted to re-read through things.
21:16:50 <nirik> I thought I did and answered on the list...
21:17:30 <nirik> I'm fine +1ing the general plan today, but we should wait until after f33 is out to start implementing.
21:17:31 <nirik> IMHO
21:17:42 <tdawson> Sounds good.
21:17:47 <pgreco> I like that, yeap
21:18:34 <pgreco> ok, +1
21:18:43 <tdawson> I know I should know when F33 comes out ... but can someone refresh my memory
21:18:55 <michel_slm> next Tuesday
21:19:03 <tdawson> I'm a +1 for the plan, and +1 for waiting until f33 is out.
21:19:03 <michel_slm> though I think the ISO is already up
21:19:30 <nirik> for some values of 'the iso' and 'up' ;)
21:20:14 <michel_slm> XD
21:20:45 <tdawson> Well ... that doesn't really delay it much, does it. :)
21:22:53 <tdawson> So, officially ... we're all +1 on this, no -1.  With the provision that we don't start till f33 is officially released.  Sound right?
21:23:02 <nirik> ack
21:23:06 <pgreco> yeap
21:23:26 <tdawson> Sounds good.
21:24:08 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Anything else you need to discuss here about epel8-next ?
21:24:34 <carlwgeorge> nope
21:24:58 <tdawson> #info epel8-next is official approved.  Unanimous +1 votes.
21:25:26 <tdawson> Moving on to EPEL-Packaging-Sig
21:25:57 <michel_slm> King_InuYasha: did you manage to use your sig membership to request an epel8 branch for fennel?
21:26:06 <King_InuYasha> I did not
21:26:11 <King_InuYasha> I can try now that I've recovered my computer
21:26:45 <michel_slm> apart from that, my sort-of-update is a lot of Facebook packages are hopefully incoming soon, first to Fedora, then to EPEL. we want to maintain them upstream first
21:27:02 <tdawson> Sounds good.
21:27:04 <michel_slm> and looking shamefully at FreeBSD that already have these packages in their ports tree
21:27:11 <tdawson> :)
21:27:17 <nirik> cool
21:27:28 <tdawson> Were you able to find the time to write up some documentation?
21:27:38 <michel_slm> oh shoot, no
21:27:55 <michel_slm> will do after this before I forget again
21:28:01 <tdawson> :)
21:28:08 <tdawson> Thanks
21:28:16 <pgreco> michel_slm: is there a list of those packages? even if it is just a paste?
21:28:20 * michel_slm blames pregnancy brain
21:28:57 <michel_slm> folly, fizz ... we want to eventually get our fork of thrift in, and then I believe there are eventually going to be some Rust crates
21:29:13 <michel_slm> so those will be Fedora only first and maybe EPEL9 since we can't do Rust packaging for EPEL8 :(
21:30:25 <tdawson> Has anyone gone through the bugzilla's requesting epel8 packages, to see if there are any that the SIG would want to maintain?
21:31:08 * nirik wants to add some of his soon
21:31:41 <michel_slm> tdawson: as in, look at the current list of epel8 requests? not yet
21:31:48 <pgreco> yeah, I had a few in mind
21:31:55 <tdawson> Correct
21:31:58 <michel_slm> if we can query that programmatically we should add that to the docs
21:32:16 <pgreco> waiting for $work to calm down a bit after an internal release
21:32:24 <pgreco> but that may never come...., hehe
21:33:00 <nirik> time is indeed the most valuable thing
21:33:11 <tdawson> indeed
21:34:08 <tdawson> I won't have any time the next two weeks, but after that, if nobody else has picked it up, I might take a stab at looking for those.
21:35:15 <tdawson> Anything else with EPEL-Packaging-SIG before I move on?
21:35:22 <michel_slm> not from me
21:35:26 <nirik> nope
21:35:38 <tdawson> #info EPEL-6 is End of Life in 2020-11-30. It will be moved to archives in 2020-12
21:35:39 <tdawson> #info THIS IS NOT A DRILL - Less than 2 months left
21:36:01 <nirik> hurray
21:36:20 <rsc> :(
21:36:46 <carlwgeorge> kill it with fire
21:36:49 <tdawson> I'm curious.  Does 2020-12 mean 2020-12-01 ?
21:36:51 <michel_slm> ツ
21:37:06 <tdawson> As in, the first day of the month?
21:38:18 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-7
21:38:29 <tdawson> Anything dealing with EPEL-7 ?
21:39:11 <tdawson> I didn't see anything, and I'll take the silence for  ... no.
21:39:12 <carlwgeorge> i've got a brief open floor item when we're ready for that
21:39:25 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-8
21:39:32 <michel_slm> tdawson: https://access.redhat.com/discussions/2399461
21:39:38 <tdawson> Then I'll be quick ... Anything for EPEL8?
21:39:44 <michel_slm> apparently the RHEL6 EOL is Nov 30 so I'm guessing it is indeed 12/1
21:39:44 * nirik has a quick open floor thing too.
21:40:29 * nirik nods.
21:40:33 <tdawson> Ya!!
21:40:38 <King_InuYasha> michel_slm: I made the branch request for fennel: https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/29938
21:40:50 <tdawson> OK, let's get to what everyone wants ...
21:40:52 <King_InuYasha> err... https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/29939
21:41:00 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor
21:41:27 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Your up
21:41:28 <carlwgeorge> #link https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1020
21:41:37 <carlwgeorge> did i do that right
21:41:46 <King_InuYasha> yup
21:41:50 <tdawson> /your/you're/
21:42:27 <nirik> looks fine to me...
21:42:32 <nirik> and thanks for driving it forward.
21:42:33 <carlwgeorge> anyways, just wanted to mention that i got an exception approved to bypass review on epel packages that are being added as a subset of a fedora package
21:42:45 <carlwgeorge> i.e. adding a python3-foo package to epel7 doesn't require a review
21:42:54 <tdawson> Ya!!!
21:43:04 <tdawson> Thank you thank you thank you
21:43:10 <carlwgeorge> or perhaps -devel packages in el8 that rhel has declined to add to crb
21:43:38 <King_InuYasha> yatta!
21:43:58 <carlwgeorge> that's all, just wanted to make people aware.  hit me up if you have more questions about it and the intent.
21:44:03 <rsc> carlwgeorge: does this also apply if a package is from RHEL 8 rather from Fedora?
21:44:06 <tdawson> Very cool
21:44:12 <tdawson> nirik: What did you have?
21:44:23 <pgreco> nice carlwgeorge ;)
21:44:24 <michel_slm> carlwgeorge: that's awesome
21:45:01 <nirik> just a quick one: would it be good/nice/helpfull/usefull to enable sidetags on epel7/8 ?
21:45:04 <michel_slm> the -devel part especially
21:45:05 <carlwgeorge> rsc: yes, specifically that (because otherwise a normal epel branch of the main fedora package would be more appropriate)
21:45:20 <nirik> there's not been any asks, but we could easily enable them if desired.
21:45:56 <michel_slm> nirik: I could imagine needing it in the future for packages I comaintain, so that'd be nice
21:46:14 <michel_slm> (glaring at how our C++ libs often don't have stable APIs, damn you monorepo culture)
21:46:24 <nirik> we do plan to add some expiration/cleanup of them after f33, we could enable epel at that same time
21:47:07 <tdawson> I'm not against it.  I have a script for my dependency chains, but this might make it easier.
21:47:23 <pgreco> yeap, that sounds like something useful (though I've used sidetags until last week)
21:47:31 <pgreco> *never used
21:48:36 <tdawson> nirik: I think if it's not too much work on your part, it would be a good thing.  Although I don't use them, I'm sure others do.
21:49:42 <nirik> ok, cool. I can look at adding it then
21:49:57 <tdawson> I have an open floor thing to bring up too
21:50:30 <tdawson> I won't be around for the next two weeks.  (October 30th, or November 6)   Is there someone who wants to run the meeting those two weeks.
21:51:41 <tdawson> Don't everyone raise their hands at once. :)
21:51:46 * nirik is taking a bunch of fridays off including those, so I can't promise to be around then.
21:51:59 <King_InuYasha> michel_slm: welp, I got my answer... I can't make branches: https://pagure.io/releng/fedora-scm-requests/issue/29939#comment-697810
21:52:04 <tdawson> If ya'll want, we could postpone until November 13th.
21:52:32 <pgreco> tdawson: I can run them if you send me the pointers :)
21:52:50 <tdawson> https://board.net/p/epel
21:52:51 <King_InuYasha> I'm off next week, trying to relax a tiny bit
21:53:03 <pgreco> but without you an nirik, not sure we'll have much to do
21:53:33 <michel_slm> <King_InuYasha "Michel Alexandre Salim: welp, I "> will add that to our EPEL tracker then, good to know
21:53:33 <tdawson> Possible :)  But carlwgeorge might still be around.
21:54:17 <pgreco> yeap, I'll need an alarm for this, normally tdawson is my alarm :)
21:54:30 <tdawson> *laughs*
21:55:31 <tdawson> So, we'll give it a try.  Next two weeks pgreco will do the meeting.  And if he is late, someone ping him.
21:55:49 <tdawson> If he's really late ... then ya'll really didn't have too much to talks about. :)
21:55:53 * michel_slm hacks pgreco's laptop and advances the clock by 10 mins
21:56:09 <tdawson> Anything else before we close?
21:56:18 <pgreco> hehe, added to calendar, now I'll set the reminder
21:56:40 <carlwgeorge> I can make myself scarce if needed :D
21:57:13 <pgreco> we'll see depending on how it goes next Fri ;)
21:58:18 <tdawson> Thanks to everyone for a good meeting and discussions.  I'll talk to ya'll on November 13th.
21:58:41 <tdawson> Have a good week, and good luck with the meeting next week pgreco
21:58:57 <pgreco> thanks!!, have a nice weekend :)
21:59:02 <tdawson> #endmeeting