22:00:38 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2021-01-15)
22:00:38 <zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jan 15 22:00:38 2021 UTC.
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22:00:39 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
22:00:39 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
22:00:41 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson pgreco carlwgeorge michel_slm
22:00:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: bstinson carlwgeorge michel_slm nirik pgreco tdawson
22:00:42 <tdawson> #topic aloha
22:00:46 <pgreco> aloha!
22:01:00 <tdawson> Aloooha! pgreco
22:01:05 <nirik> morning
22:01:10 <tdawson> Hi nirik
22:02:41 <tdawson> Sorry, when I hear aloha, I always want to give a loonngg aloha back
22:03:05 * King_InuYasha waves
22:03:09 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa
22:03:10 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
22:03:18 <tdawson> Hi King_InuYasha
22:03:54 <carlwgeorge> howdy yall
22:04:03 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge
22:05:32 <tdawson> So, michel_slm said he possibly wouldn't be here, but he gave me his summary for the EPEL Packaging SIG
22:05:56 <tdawson> "not much to update on epel-packagers except the one non-responsive check I filed got resolved, maintainer didn't have time for Fedora and is orphaning packages"
22:06:37 <tdawson> Did anyone have anything else to say about epel-packagers ?
22:07:22 <pgreco> not here
22:07:26 <tdawson> OK, moving on to epel8-next
22:07:40 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: What is the status this week?
22:08:35 <carlwgeorge> got a pull request started for fedscm-admin to support epel8-next, but it looks like i need to redo it for the master>main change https://pagure.io/fedscm-admin/pull-request/55
22:09:07 <carlwgeorge> next up will be a branch check to ensure that epel8 exists if epel8-next is requested
22:09:12 <nirik> shouldn't be too much overlap I would hope
22:09:30 <carlwgeorge> yeah i should just be able to rebase off main and resubmit
22:10:26 <pgreco> nirik, you submitted a request to delay the move, right?
22:10:49 <nirik> yeah, our fedscm-admin and fedpkg changes weren't done... want to get them released and out
22:11:10 <nirik> carlwgeorge: oh, just to change your pr? you can just edit it and change it.
22:11:23 <nirik> or I can if you want. in the web interface.
22:11:44 <nirik> just edit and change the target branch. Pagure lets you do that no problem now
22:12:00 <carlwgeorge> oh sweet, i had heard that feature was coming (changing target branch) but i didn't realize it was live on pagure.io
22:12:53 <King_InuYasha> yep
22:12:56 <King_InuYasha> part of pagure 5.12
22:13:45 <carlwgeorge> besides the branch check in fedscm-admin, i need to go through fedpkg and look at a few things to make sure it works with epel8-next branches
22:13:56 <carlwgeorge> was hoping to do that this week but ran outta time
22:15:22 <carlwgeorge> that's it from me
22:15:45 <tdawson> Sounds good, and great progress
22:16:16 <tdawson> There are two other things from last week, but I'm going to keep them in their EPEL7 and EPEL8 topics.
22:16:23 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-7
22:16:57 <tdawson> Last week we talked about python3 vs python36 in EPEL7.  There was going to be an email to continue the discussion.  Did that ever get sent?  Or did I just miss it?
22:17:15 * nirik didn't see anything on it
22:17:15 <carlwgeorge> that was me, ran outta time on that one too
22:17:30 <tdawson> Ah, OK.  Not a problem.
22:17:44 <tdawson> Did you want to talk about it here more?  Or should we just wait for the email?
22:18:04 <carlwgeorge> i mean i'm open for comments if anyone has any
22:18:26 <carlwgeorge> but i think i have all the info i need for the initial email, which i have a rough draft of started
22:18:41 <tdawson> I could go either way, so I was waiting for the email ... I'm fine waiting.
22:18:51 * King_InuYasha is waiting on the email
22:19:20 <tdawson> Were there any other EPEL7 things to discuss?
22:19:27 <carlwgeorge> i suck at email, but i'll try to get it out before the next meeting so we can discuss the feedback it generates
22:19:49 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Ya ... but you are good at so many other things. :)
22:20:50 <tdawson> OK, moving on to EPEL8
22:20:55 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-8
22:21:38 <tdawson> Last week we were discussing the problem with new packages in RHEL, that are also in EPEL, and how this is/will affect Stream
22:22:40 <tdawson> If I remember, we didn't really have much of a resolution, or even felt if there was much we could o.
22:22:46 <tdawson> do.
22:22:46 <carlwgeorge> i think we settled on being fine with it until the new package is released in rhel ga
22:23:04 <pgreco> yeah, I think it is the "less bad" option
22:23:12 <King_InuYasha> yup
22:23:22 <carlwgeorge> my proven packager looks likely to be approved so after that happens i'll start retiring the ones that were added in 8.2
22:23:27 <pgreco> if we could have some sort of alarm about it, it would help, but don't even know how to do that
22:23:29 <King_InuYasha> there's fancy dnf magic we could do if we need it more
22:23:53 <King_InuYasha> but I don't know how often this happens that we would need it
22:23:59 <tdawson> #info If a new package comes into RHEL that is also in EPEL.  We will "be fine with it" until the new package is released in RHEL GA.
22:24:09 <nirik> We might also ping internally... since there's supposed to be EPEL checks, but they never seem to happen
22:25:08 <tdawson> Ya, I'm hoping the new gating checks start catching these issues more.
22:25:32 <tdawson> OK, well, that subject didn't take as long as I expected.
22:25:35 <King_InuYasha> well, last cycle (e.g. RHEL 7), it didn't happen too often
22:25:50 <King_InuYasha> I don't know if we expect to happen more with RHEL 8?
22:26:54 <tdawson> At this point, I think things are starting to slow down.  But I'm sure we'll get a few more.
22:26:59 <King_InuYasha> blech, I mean i.e., not e.g. :P
22:27:05 <nirik> which? new packages in a minor release? or them notifying epel maintainers about it? :)
22:27:18 <King_InuYasha> new packages pulled from EPEL in minor releases
22:27:25 <King_InuYasha> they never notify EPEL maintainers
22:27:34 <King_InuYasha> I've learned that lesson in EPEL 6 and EPEL 7
22:28:03 <nirik> They did for a short while... but something failed or they stopped knowing they were supposed to or something.
22:28:34 <King_InuYasha> hmm, maybe I just got unlucky
22:29:12 <nirik> it wasn't too long they were doing it. around 7 GA... but anyhow.
22:29:24 <pgreco> the biggest problem for that is when they do it with an older ENVR
22:29:40 <pgreco> or with less functions than epel, requiring a supplemental package to keep up
22:30:07 <tdawson> Yep
22:30:17 <nirik> well, the thing was they were supposed to open a bug and tell the epel maintainers... hey, I am going to land foo-1.1-1 in rhel x... you will need to retire your version,e tc.
22:30:21 <tdawson> Anything else EPEL8 related?
22:30:43 <nirik> so then the epel folks could say 'no, you need a better release/version' or 'you are breaking foo'
22:31:28 <carlwgeorge> do we need to explicit mention this in the epel guidelines?
22:31:35 <carlwgeorge> *explicitly
22:31:40 <tdawson> Hmmm ... I know where the internal documentation is for that ... maybe a pull request to it would get that back into the workflow.
22:32:10 <pgreco> nirik, that's utopic, I guess, but it would be great
22:33:34 <nirik> tdawson: I have no idea where it is. I would just complain... but if you know, awesome! put it back in. ;)
22:34:31 <tdawson> Ugg ... that section is huge :( ... it's a wonder any new packages make it in.
22:35:15 * King_InuYasha wonders if RHEL has _too much_ process
22:36:54 <tdawson> Honestly, most of it is legal checks ... but ... anyway, I'll take a look, see if I can add anything about epel.  They have a process for adding stuff now, and at least a ticket and/or bug and/or pull request would get someones attention.
22:38:04 <tdawson> Anything else for EPEL8?
22:39:02 <carlwgeorge> nope
22:39:04 <nirik> tdawson: let me know if I can help any/nag people.
22:39:16 <tdawson> nirik: Will do
22:39:22 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor
22:39:45 <tdawson> We actually made it to the Open Floor this week.
22:40:16 <nirik> hurray
22:40:19 <pgreco> yeah!
22:40:32 <pgreco> this is good, I need my weekend to start yesterday :D
22:40:42 <tdawson> Does anyone have anything for the open floor?  Or are we ok ending early?
22:40:54 <nirik> I need it to stop being the 2020 bonus round. ;)
22:41:40 <tdawson> Just two more months and the 2020 bonus round is over.  Ya!!
22:41:52 <pgreco> I think we're ok, at least I am
22:42:02 <pgreco> thanks guys!
22:42:11 <King_InuYasha> I've got nothing :)
22:42:17 <tdawson> Thank you everyone, for being here and for the good (and short) discussions.
22:42:31 <tdawson> We'll talk to you all next week.
22:42:37 <tdawson> #endmeeting