22:00:09 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2021-01-22)
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22:00:11 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
22:00:11 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
22:00:12 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson pgreco carlwgeorge michel_slm
22:00:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: bstinson carlwgeorge michel_slm nirik pgreco tdawson
22:00:14 <tdawson> #topic aloha
22:00:22 <pgreco> hi!
22:00:28 <smooge> here
22:00:48 <tdawson> Hi pgreco
22:00:51 <tdawson> Hi smooge
22:02:48 <tdawson> hmm ... a little quite today thus far
22:03:02 <tdawson> Although it's always a good day when smooge is here
22:03:31 <smooge> nirik is on zombie avoidance duty to get food for famil
22:03:42 <pgreco> tdawson: , are you saying that that smooge drove everybody away? :P
22:04:00 <smooge> looking at the effect of some of my emails today... I expect that is true
22:04:33 <smooge> I don't remember if michel_slm said they could not make today or if that was a different meeting
22:04:51 <tdawson> I didn't have anyone say they couldn't make it.
22:04:56 <michel_slm> hi! I couldn't make last week, but... cannot make this week either
22:05:02 <michel_slm> attending linux.conf.au which just started
22:05:16 <tdawson> michel_slm: Ahh ... ok.  Have fun there.
22:05:41 <tdawson> Maybe that's where the others are as well.
22:06:39 <tdawson> Not that we can't have a meeting with just the three of us, but two main topics were carlwgeorge's
22:06:54 <pgreco> yeah, let's give the others a few mins
22:07:24 <tdawson> smooge: Was there anything in particular you wanted to talk about?  Or you just happened to have some time?
22:07:26 <pgreco> I have something that I wanted to bring up, more a comment than a topic
22:07:38 <tdawson> pgreco: Go for it.
22:07:52 <smooge> I had some time and thought my cheery personality would make things bright and shiney here
22:07:59 <tdawson> :)
22:08:07 <pgreco> which is that I'm really looking forward to the outcome of the thread on -devel packages on centos-devel
22:08:18 <smooge> me too
22:08:47 <pgreco> hopefully the whole system that tdawson had to design will become useless
22:08:54 <tdawson> The one titled "May we get all subpackages in C8S repos" ?
22:09:08 <pgreco> yeah
22:09:21 <smooge> no that is the system that is going to be institutionalized to make it happen :)
22:10:06 <smooge> I am glad that the conversation is happening
22:10:31 <pgreco> yeah, it was in fact one of the main topics in my mail to centos-questions
22:10:42 <pgreco> tried really hard not make it a rant
22:13:06 <tdawson> I ran into the problem on a internal meeting I was sitting in on.  They were trying to use CentOS Stream for some things and were missing a key -devel package.  I was like "oohh ... they me get this to Josh so we can show it's also hurting us as well."
22:14:12 <pgreco> yeah, the fact that you had to come up with such a crazy scheme for an arbitrary decision is @##$%#$% <censored>
22:16:34 <tdawson> Huh ... carlwgeorge isn't usually this late.
22:16:57 <pgreco> yeap, all or nothing, so I'm guessing today is nothing
22:17:18 <tdawson> The whole pythonX naming discussion is actually going fairly well via email ... so I guess we don't really have to discuss it much here.
22:18:02 <tdawson> And I'm pretty sure most of the people needed for epel8-next are ramping up for the mass rebuild.
22:18:30 <pgreco> last mass rebuild before branching, right?
22:18:37 <pgreco> both f34 and el9
22:19:24 <tdawson> Well, we're going to wait until the F34 mass rebuild is done, or at least the side tag stuff is done, then we'll start the ELN/RHEL9 mass rebuild.
22:19:28 * carlwgeorge waves from my phone
22:19:42 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge
22:20:12 <carlwgeorge> quick summary on my stuff, as noted good discussion on the python stuff
22:21:01 <carlwgeorge> epel next is waiting in me to pull request a branch check to fedscm-admin, and some stuff to fedpkg
22:22:44 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Need any help from us?  Or are all the appropriate people already helping?
22:22:44 <smooge> cool
22:23:38 <carlwgeorge> the latter, nirik and mboddu have been great and just waiting on me to make time between other work
22:24:01 <tdawson> Sounds good.
22:24:07 <smooge> oh I had one last thing for the meeting. Looking at the epel system stats, EPEL6 is still going strong, EPEL7 and EPEL8 are still growing .
22:24:38 <tdawson> Cool
22:24:44 * smooge is glad that el6 stopped growing after the EOL date
22:25:00 <pgreco> how strong is strong for el6?
22:25:12 * mboddu is always happy to help
22:25:27 <pgreco> I can neither confirm nor deny having an el5 box still stashed somewhere....
22:27:01 <tdawson> smooge: I don't suppose you have a nice graph do you?  Or is that matt that makes those.
22:27:02 <smooge> 770k systems for EL6,
22:27:23 <smooge> 1.8 million for EL7 and ~400k for EL8
22:27:43 <smooge> ugly images are here https://data-analysis.fedoraproject.org/csv-reports/images/
22:28:03 <smooge> ugly data is https://data-analysis.fedoraproject.org/csv-reports/mirrors/
22:28:35 <smooge> I need to reprocess the data for Jan 1 and work out how to do 7 day averages again
22:29:38 <smooge> pgreco, 30k el5 boxes
22:30:15 <tdawson> Ya.  Looks like EL5 is staying fairly stable.  Nobody is going to pry those boxes out of wherever they are.
22:30:20 <pgreco> that's still a lot
22:30:37 <smooge> the 200 el4 boxes is what gets me
22:30:45 <pgreco> my guess is that 50% of those boxes are asterisk servers
22:30:52 <smooge> we didn't even have a lot of packages in el4
22:31:05 <pgreco> yeah, I was surprised to see el4 make the list
22:31:06 <smooge> oh and there was a complaint in IRC today about the EPEL wiki pages
22:31:20 <pgreco> I saw that!
22:31:40 <smooge> I correct the issues that I could and added a note that el5 requires a newer TLS
22:33:06 <tdawson> I was a little amused that not only were they running something that old, but seemed rather surprised that things didn't work just right.
22:33:53 <smooge> however if they had been running it and just found out that it wasn't working .. they had been running that system for 4 years
22:34:47 <smooge> the drop in mid 2017 for EL5 was when we switched to a newer TLS on the fedora proxies and download servers
22:34:48 <tdawson> All those servers in businesses back closets, or under desks in an old office turned storage room.
22:35:29 <smooge> I expect that the real number of EL5 systems out there is that before graph line with lots of boxes just quietly complaining they can't get their updates from EPEL or CentOS
22:36:00 <tdawson> That is both cool, and scary at the same time.
22:36:34 <pgreco> hehe, yeah
22:37:09 <tdawson> Anyone have anything else to bring up?
22:37:33 <smooge> not from me
22:38:37 <tdawson> OK, then I'm going to call it a meeting so we can get on with the weekend ... or back to work, whichever is best for you.
22:38:56 <tdawson> Thanks for being here, and we'll talk to you next week.
22:39:05 <tdawson> #endmeeting