22:00:11 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2021-02-19)
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22:00:13 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
22:00:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
22:00:14 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson pgreco carlwgeorge michel_slm
22:00:14 <zodbot> Current chairs: bstinson carlwgeorge michel_slm nirik pgreco tdawson
22:00:16 <tdawson> #topic aloha
22:00:25 <nirik> morning
22:00:26 <smooge> here
22:00:33 <tdawson> Hi nirik
22:00:35 <tdawson> Hi smooge
22:00:42 * King_In8 waves
22:00:43 <pgreco> hi everybody
22:00:52 <tdawson> Hi King_In8
22:00:54 <King_In8> blech
22:00:59 <tdawson> Hi pgreco
22:01:12 <King_In8> bloody netsplits
22:01:16 <tdawson> :)
22:03:00 * King_InuYasha waves again
22:03:03 <King_InuYasha> .hello ngompa
22:03:04 <zodbot> King_InuYasha: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
22:03:12 <King_InuYasha> now all is right with the world :D
22:03:54 <tdawson> Hi King_InuYasha ... your a new person, I barely recognize you.
22:05:03 <King_InuYasha> haha
22:05:25 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
22:05:33 <tdawson> EPEL-Packaging-SIG
22:05:41 <tdawson> I don't see michel_slm yet
22:06:07 <tdawson> Or carlwgeorge, for epel8-next
22:06:24 <pgreco> carlwgeorge must be still with all electronics off
22:06:29 <tdawson> nirik or smooge - do either of you know how the epel8-next work is going?
22:06:40 <tdawson> Oh ... that's right, he's in Texas
22:06:45 <pgreco> according to his county's recommendations
22:06:52 <smooge> tht is pretty much the status
22:06:59 <nirik> nothing I know of... I think he was getting fedpkg/fedscm-admin changes in first before anything else.
22:07:03 <King_InuYasha> yeah, I'm pretty sure he's involuntarily offline
22:07:09 <smooge> he will have better power next week and he will be catching up with work items first
22:07:56 <tdawson> I don't know where michel_slm is ... I wonder if he's in the same situation.
22:08:32 <smooge> i thought austin so yeah.. probably in similar straights
22:08:35 <tdawson> I guess the next old business is documentation changes.
22:08:41 <King_InuYasha> his wife just had a baby yesterday
22:08:57 <smooge> oh. well then a different real life itme
22:09:06 <King_InuYasha> and fwiw, he's in the Seattle area
22:09:11 <pgreco> another case of involuntarily offline I guess
22:09:15 <tdawson> Oh, well good for him, and I hope he doesn't join us today. :)
22:09:16 <King_InuYasha> pretty much
22:09:36 <King_InuYasha> baby was 1 week early :)
22:10:46 <tdawson> For documentation, someone was going to check on getting a fedoradocs/epel area
22:10:49 <michel_slm> Hi! What King_InuYasha said
22:10:56 <King_InuYasha> hey! michel_slm :D
22:10:56 <michel_slm> .hello salimma
22:10:57 <zodbot> michel_slm: salimma 'Michel Alexandre Salim' <michel@michel-slm.name>
22:11:19 <tdawson> michel_slm: Congratulations!!
22:11:21 <michel_slm> I'll just lurk since I have free time at unpredictable moments 😅
22:11:24 <nirik> congrats michel_slm. Hope everyone is well there.
22:11:27 <michel_slm> Thanks tdawson
22:11:45 <michel_slm> Thanks nirik! Yeah everyone is well, we get to go home tomorrow
22:12:08 <pgreco> michel_slm: Congratulations!
22:12:27 <nirik> glad to hear it. :)
22:13:13 <michel_slm> Was about to ask, anyone checked if the fedscm-admin PR is merged?
22:13:30 <michel_slm> If not can someone follow up with pingou
22:13:41 <michel_slm> Thanks pgreco
22:13:45 <nirik> not yet... but next week hopefully
22:15:47 <tdawson> pgreco or michel_slm Did one of you say last week that you would work on getting the base documentation ?
22:16:17 <michel_slm> I did but... didn't get to it, sorry
22:16:37 <pgreco> I didn't, I barely slept since last week
22:16:43 <tdawson> michel_slm: Not a problem, looks like you busy.
22:16:52 <pgreco> and now michel_slm will start with the "no sleep" ;)
22:17:06 <tdawson> OK, I think I'm going to take that on.
22:18:00 <michel_slm> pgreco 'will'? The last time I had a good night sleep was Monday night 😅
22:18:38 <pgreco> yeap, that sounds about right
22:19:00 <tdawson> Any other old business that I might have missed?
22:19:35 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-7
22:20:15 <tdawson> I don't have anything for EPEL7, does anyone else?
22:20:31 <smooge> one item
22:20:55 <smooge> nagios/nrpe may have dropped out for a day or so in EPEL because it got orphaned.. people have taken it up so it should be there
22:21:15 <smooge> otherwise epel7 continues to grow
22:21:27 <smooge> in usage
22:21:46 <King_InuYasha> surprising no one :)
22:22:00 <tdawson> :)
22:22:10 <King_InuYasha> I'll be interested to see how epel8 growth will be affected by changes for el8
22:22:52 <tdawson> RHEL/CentOS/SL 7 have just reached their stride.  They are mature and stable, and ... all that.
22:22:54 <pgreco> I think there will be some adapting to the new format, and how alma/rocky fill in the gap
22:23:43 <smooge> currently CentOS-8 versus other units usage continues to grow at the same rate it did before the announcement
22:23:56 <pgreco> that's good news
22:23:59 <smooge> but that is a different topic
22:24:20 <nirik> the vast majority of the el world doesn't pay attention to things like announcements...
22:24:30 <tdawson> *laughs*
22:24:39 <tdawson> You are correct.
22:24:51 <smooge> I expect there will be all kinds of 'what happened to my releases' on Jan 1 2022
22:24:51 <tdawson> Ok, moving on.
22:25:01 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-8
22:26:34 <tdawson> OK, just cuz I changed the topic to EPEL8, doesn't mean we have to stop talking about it.
22:27:05 <tdawson> Anything for EPEL8?
22:27:45 <smooge> nothing for me on it
22:27:59 <King_InuYasha> nothing from me
22:28:05 <King_InuYasha> other than poetry again
22:28:14 <King_InuYasha> or rather needing help to get it into epel8
22:29:49 <smooge> << crickets >>
22:30:01 <tdawson> Sorry, I was looking at the poetry bugs
22:30:06 <tdawson> OK, moving on.
22:30:35 <tdawson> Do we want to put EPEL9 on the agenda yet?  Or wait until at least CentOS Stream 9 is out?
22:30:55 <smooge> wait until it is there..
22:31:03 <tdawson> That's what I was thinking.
22:31:07 <King_InuYasha> it is out though?
22:31:09 <King_InuYasha> kinda anyway
22:31:22 <King_InuYasha> https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream
22:31:33 <smooge> because honestly if we are having problems getting things into EPEL8.. getting stuff into 9 is not going to be any easier
22:31:58 <tdawson> True, they are sycing the source code, but not building the builds.
22:33:05 <tdawson> And even after they start building the builds, it will be a few weeks (month or so) before there is a usable repo.'
22:33:10 <King_InuYasha> tdawson: we need to sync up on cmake things for el9
22:34:01 <tdawson> Sure
22:34:35 <King_InuYasha> we should, in general, see if we can get some early look and influence on cs9/el9 as soon as possible
22:34:47 <King_InuYasha> so that epel9 will be well supported from rhel9 base
22:35:19 <nirik> it should be using the eln cmake no?
22:35:37 <nirik> well, very similar to anyhow
22:36:01 <tdawson> I'm pretty sure it is using whatever is currently in ELN.
22:36:13 <tdawson> Although that's soon to be whatever is in F34.
22:36:33 <King_InuYasha> tdawson: the ability to do in-source builds needs to be gutted soon
22:36:35 * nirik nods
22:37:08 <King_InuYasha> the weird compat code I wrote to support that in the macros was something I planned to remove in F34, but didn't have time
22:37:14 <King_InuYasha> I'll likely remove it in F35
22:37:42 <King_InuYasha> and not having it in EL9 will make life considerably simpler long-term
22:37:59 <tdawson> Ouch ... ok.  But that's more of an offline topic.
22:38:02 <King_InuYasha> yeah
22:38:11 <King_InuYasha> hence the "we need to sync up" statement :)
22:38:20 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor
22:38:22 <tdawson> :)
22:38:38 <King_InuYasha> otherwise, it's exciting to see cs9 taking shape so soon
22:38:49 <King_InuYasha> I'm weirded out by it being on gitlab.com, but ehh
22:38:53 <pgreco> wrt epel8-next and epel9-next/cs9, any chance we can sync up for missing deps?
22:39:33 <pgreco> syncing kojis I mean somehow, I want a simple way to stop this stupidity of missing devel files...
22:40:38 <tdawson> That is an interesting idea ... I'm not one who can implement it, but it's something to bring up with those who can.
22:41:12 <King_InuYasha> well, what stops shadow koji for this?
22:41:36 <pgreco> for el/cl it is harder because that would imply access to brew, but for stream, we could in theory
22:41:43 * michel_slm queueing up a topic for open floor
22:42:25 <pgreco> michel_slm: sorry, I kind of jumped in with my topic/rant :)
22:42:27 * nirik also has an item for open floor
22:42:28 <tdawson> pgreco: The only problem, drawback I see is that we wouldn't have access to those files on regular EPEL8/EPEL9
22:42:45 <pgreco> yeap, exactly
22:42:45 <tdawson> michel_slm: Since you are the new father, you get to go first.
22:43:35 <michel_slm> Haha thanks. And pgreco no worries, I was tuning in and out anyway
22:43:37 <pgreco> tdawson: if we're going to fake those for el8/el9, we could avoid "faking" them for stream, that's the gist of it
22:44:01 <michel_slm> So since I'm out for a month and FB is interested in stream and epel I'm going to get someone to attend or at least follow this meeting
22:44:10 <michel_slm> It's probably dcavalca but not today since he's recuperating from devconf hours
22:44:57 <tdawson> michel_slm: Good to know.  We'll be sure to pink him.
22:44:58 <michel_slm> Oh there we are. Hi filbranden
22:45:09 <filbranden> Hi michel_slm ! Hi all.
22:45:39 <smooge> hi filbranden
22:45:43 * michel_slm wonders if pink is the new punk
22:45:47 <tdawson> Hi filbranden
22:46:05 <tdawson> *laughs* It certainly is the new punk, as well as the new ping
22:46:20 <pgreco> filbranden: aka dcavalca?
22:46:32 <michel_slm> Filipe comaintains our FB packages with me and Davide, and I think has attended here before since we're interested in golang and rust packages for epel
22:47:14 <michel_slm> @pgreco beardless Dcavalca 😅
22:47:30 <pgreco> hehehe
22:47:51 <filbranden> I'm dcavalca's minion... :-p
22:48:01 <tdawson> michel_slm: Thanks for the heads up.  We'll be sure to treat them well.
22:48:21 <pgreco> the good thing is that he doesn't know what that means ;)
22:48:28 <King_InuYasha> hey filbranden
22:48:34 <tdawson> nirik: I think you are next.\
22:48:38 <filbranden> Hey Neal!
22:49:10 <nirik> oh yeah, so... is there any chance we could move this meeting to not be on friday? ;)
22:49:39 <pgreco> +10000000000000000
22:49:59 <tdawson> nirik: It's been a year.  I'm ok with going through the "lets find a good time" routine
22:50:07 <nirik> I'm often off on fridays, holidays often hit on them, and our team is thinking of trying to do 'no meeting fridays'
22:50:10 <pgreco> it was hard to find this slot, but we can revisit I guess
22:50:21 <smooge> so I was thinking we should move these to monday
22:50:22 <nirik> yeah, I know it's hard.
22:50:32 <smooge> its not like anyone takes those days off or any holidays
22:51:08 <tdawson> It is rather odd, that people take fridays off, but not mondays (usually)
22:51:32 <michel_slm> 'I hate Mondays' vs 'tgif'
22:51:35 <smooge> we all take monday off once and regret the continaul catching up from then
22:51:57 <tdawson> Yep
22:51:58 <smooge> taking monday off just makes tuesday twice as bad
22:52:17 * King_InuYasha cries at his calendar on Mondays and Tuesdays
22:52:22 <tdawson> Are you ok with me starting the process off via email?
22:52:40 <nirik> yeah, +1
22:52:40 <michel_slm> Sounds good to me
22:52:46 <nirik> and thanks for being willing to try. :)
22:52:48 <King_InuYasha> I'm good with that too
22:52:57 <King_InuYasha> though I can't promise a better time slot for me :(
22:53:00 <pgreco> what was the tool we used last time?
22:53:30 <tdawson> I'll have to look through the emails to see what the tool was.
22:54:03 <King_InuYasha> probably framadate?
22:54:04 <tdawson> On a related topic, before we run out of time, I'm not going to be here next friday ... well, it's possible, but extremely unlikely.
22:54:12 <King_InuYasha> oh?
22:54:21 <smooge> well thats good because we are moving the meeting
22:54:36 <tdawson> *laughs*
22:54:44 <tdawson> Yep, it's framadate
22:55:26 <tdawson> I'm taking most of next week off and might be out of town, though that depends on the weather.
22:56:00 <smooge> oh that sounds good
22:56:09 <smooge> I can run next weeks meeting
22:56:13 <smooge> if that is ok
22:56:22 <tdawson> smooge: I'm great with that.
22:56:39 <pgreco> thanks smooge
22:56:55 * smooge promises to Al Haig while tdawson is out
22:57:32 <King_InuYasha> I'll probably be out the week after next
22:57:40 <tdawson> awesome, thanks smooge
22:57:45 <King_InuYasha> I'm planning on taking PTO and trying to relax a smidgen
22:57:54 <smooge> do you know how to relax?
22:57:56 <King_InuYasha> the last two months has kind of sucked a bit
22:58:05 <King_InuYasha> smooge: I'm not sure, but I keep trying!
22:58:16 <smooge> does that mean just half the 400% you normally do?
22:58:29 <King_InuYasha> hah
22:58:33 * nirik is on pto today and it's my last day of 2020 vacation. :) still have all of this years... :(
22:58:33 <King_InuYasha> perhaps
22:59:11 <smooge> well have fun and don't do what we do
22:59:25 <smooge> which is attend meetings and answer tickets when we are on PTO
22:59:31 <King_InuYasha> haha
22:59:42 <King_InuYasha> well, if I just don't do $DAYJOB stuff, then I'll be happier
23:00:13 <smooge> so I think we are at the top of the meeting hour and have exhausted Open Floor
23:00:19 <tdawson> Well, our time is up.  Thank you everyone for being here
23:00:33 * smooge starts his coup detat early
23:00:35 <tdawson> I'll talk to you all in two weeks, if not sooner.
23:00:38 <pgreco> thanks everybody
23:00:43 <smooge> see you all
23:00:45 <tdawson> #endmeeting