20:15:15 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2021-03-17)
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20:15:16 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
20:15:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
20:15:17 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson pgreco carlwgeorge michel_slm
20:15:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: bstinson carlwgeorge michel_slm nirik pgreco tdawson
20:15:19 <tdawson> #topic aloha
20:15:26 <cyberpear> o/
20:15:30 <dcavalca> hello
20:15:31 <tdawson> Hi cyberpear
20:15:36 <tdawson> Hi dcavalca
20:15:43 <pgreco> ohh, that's today ;)
20:16:11 <tdawson> pgreco: Yep ... and I'm 15 minutes late too
20:16:19 <tdawson> But thanks to dcavalca, I'm not 60 minutes late.
20:16:47 <cyberpear> my previous meeting was 15 minutes over, so it worked out!
20:16:48 <pgreco> I've been having server problems all day, so if I drop, you'll know why
20:17:49 <rsc> .hello robert
20:17:50 <zodbot> rsc: robert 'Robert Scheck' <redhat@linuxnetz.de>
20:18:06 <tdawson> Hi rsc
20:18:07 <nirik> morning
20:18:12 <tdawson> Hi nirik
20:19:11 * carlwgeorge waves
20:19:19 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge
20:19:49 * carlwgeorge needs to fix his calendar
20:19:53 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
20:20:08 <tdawson> Yep, I'm fixing my calendar right now.
20:20:16 * nirik also
20:20:20 <tdawson> Old business of the new time.
20:20:24 <carlwgeorge> got the link handy for the fedocal thing?
20:20:41 <tdawson> I just want to double check.  This time (meaning starting 20 minutes ago) is what we agreed to.  Correct?
20:20:51 <nirik> oh, I did, but cleverly it only starts next week
20:21:01 <smooge> hello
20:21:03 <nirik> tdawson: yep. thats my understanding
20:21:06 <dcavalca> tdawson: yeah, that was my understanding
20:21:09 <tdawson> Hi smooge
20:21:55 <tdawson> OK, then we're good.  Sorry for starting late.  Even though I was the one that created the email and changed things, my mind was thinking it started next hour.
20:22:37 <tdawson> Then lets move to the EPEL-Packaging-SIG
20:23:01 <tdawson> The code is in, and we were waiting for a release of the tool.  Has that happened yet?
20:23:21 <tdawson> Meaning the "collaborator requesting branches patch"
20:23:48 <nirik> not sure, but I think not yet
20:24:16 <dcavalca> I filed a few more tickets to get packages branched in the meantime
20:24:25 <dcavalca> python-neovim: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940120
20:24:33 <dcavalca> swtpm: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1939674
20:24:41 <dcavalca> libtpms: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1939670
20:25:59 <tdawson> OK, sounds good.  I guess we can wait till next week to see if the patch gets deployed.
20:26:06 <tdawson> Anything else before we move on?
20:27:02 <tdawson> epel8-next - carlwgeorge, it's only been a few days, but has there been any progress?
20:27:43 <carlwgeorge> got a meeting scheduled with mboddu tomorrow to catch up and hopefully merge my prs to fedpkg and fedscm-admin
20:27:53 <tdawson> cool
20:28:21 <carlwgeorge> if anyone wants to attend let me know and i'll add you to the invite (thinking of nirik probably)
20:28:38 <nirik> sure, feel free to add me. Not sure if I can make it, but can try
20:28:46 <carlwgeorge> that's what optional is for :D
20:29:19 <smooge> no make it mandatory for nirik
20:29:32 <carlwgeorge> mandatory for smooge, got it
20:29:56 <smooge> sure
20:30:02 <carlwgeorge> but yeah no actual progress, we can move on, unless we want to bikeshed about epel-next vs epel-stream
20:30:10 <nirik> the meetings will continue until morale improves
20:30:39 <tdawson> Moving on ... documentation changes
20:31:55 <tdawson> I sent an email to Peter Bokoc.  He said the easiest way to move everything from the wiki to Fedora Docs would be to let him do the conversion.
20:32:04 <smooge> yay
20:32:23 <tdawson> He also apologized, cuz evidently smooge had asked him before and he got sidetracked.
20:32:45 <carlwgeorge> cool
20:33:17 <pgreco> that's good news
20:33:27 <tdawson> He won't be able to start until sometime in April, due to F34 and Stream documentation.  So I'll have to remind him, and give him some pointers.
20:34:03 <tdawson> It's another month out but ... that's ok, we've already had this on our agenda for over a month. :)
20:35:26 <tdawson> I think that's it for documentation, unless anyone has anything else.
20:36:29 <tdawson> Last week we talked about "epel for eln", and I think most of you saw my email and proposal for "eln extra" .... does anyone want to discuss that more here, or are we ok putting that all on the ELN SIG?
20:37:26 <nirik> I like your proposal the best so far... but still we need to make sure not to sign people up for work they don't want to do. ;) (and let them do work they do want to do)
20:37:36 <tdawson> Oddly enough, that doesn't really change too many of the people who will work on it, but it shifts it to a different meeting. :)
20:37:52 <dcavalca> I like your proposal as well
20:38:19 <tdawson> nirik: I agree with you ... oh, and I just realized I didn't reply to the email.  But I think the "eln extra" packages do not have to translate to EPEL.
20:38:38 <tdawson> It can of course, but it shouldn't be assumed that it does.
20:38:54 <dcavalca> tdawson: yeah, I think leaving that up to the package maintainer is the right call
20:39:06 <dcavalca> though we should document how to leverage them for that, if one wants to
20:39:19 <tdawson> good idea.
20:39:25 <nirik> docs are good.
20:39:32 <carlwgeorge> which list was this email on
20:39:50 <nirik> carlwgeorge: devel
20:39:55 <tdawson> I thought it was fedora-devel ... but the subject is something like "First ELN Meeting"
20:39:59 <dcavalca> tdawson: one question I'd had is how we'd record who is maintaining a specific package in "eln extra"
20:40:01 <carlwgeorge> ah, i was looking on epel-devel
20:40:12 <dcavalca> like, sometimes that'll be the epel maintainer, but not always
20:40:39 <nirik> How does eln do it?
20:41:00 <dcavalca> nirik: that's a very good question, I actually don't know
20:41:03 <tdawson> ELN has a bot that does it.  It also doesn't branch, it does it straight from rawhide.
20:41:19 <nirik> so, perhaps the bot could be extended. ;)
20:41:32 <nirik> one of the things I liked about this proposal was no branches. :)
20:41:58 <dcavalca> yeah I like a lot that it encourages fixing things in rawhide
20:42:04 <dcavalca> which is going to be beneficial in general
20:42:10 <tdawson> I don't think the bot has to be extended much, just give it another list to look at.
20:43:25 * nirik nods
20:43:36 <tdawson> I don't want to spend all the meeting time eplaining the details of how it works, but we currently generate a list of "these are ELN packages", and it takes care of them.
20:43:46 <tdawson> Sorry, getting side tracked by ... myself. :)
20:43:47 <cyberpear> just make sure the ELN extras can't see the "unpublished -devel packages" to match the future RHEL release :P
20:43:56 <tdawson> Ha!
20:44:04 <nirik> :)
20:44:08 <dcavalca> lol
20:44:21 <carlwgeorge> sick burn :P
20:44:33 <dcavalca> nirik: tdawson: have a link to the bot?
20:45:07 <carlwgeorge> cyberpear: i don't think i can say much, but i expect that situation to be "better" in 9, for some definition of better
20:45:12 * nirik has no idea where it is or who maintains it. ;)
20:45:15 <rsc> cyberpear: yeah, hiding -devel already in ELN would make sense, so that I can stress GSS/CEE even much more earlier than "now for 9"
20:45:51 <tdawson> https://osci-jenkins-1.ci.fedoraproject.org/
20:46:10 <tdawson> The various things that start with "eln"
20:46:16 <pgreco> the hidden -devel packages are the main topic of conversation everywhere....
20:46:51 <dcavalca> thanks tdawson
20:47:11 * smooge goes to treat his liver for missing -devel packages
20:47:17 <tdawson> dcavalca: I could send you the github stuff, but I think going that far in is more for the ELN meeting.
20:47:36 <dcavalca> yeah, I was mostly curious, we can follow up in the ELN meeting next week
20:47:43 <tdawson> Yep
20:48:17 <tdawson> OK, I'm going to move on
20:48:29 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-7
20:48:44 <tdawson> How is EPEL7 doing?  I haven't seen any issues.
20:49:29 <tdawson> I'll assume the silence to be a Unix silence, meaning all is good.
20:49:37 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-8
20:50:11 * smooge salutes
20:50:19 <tdawson> Anything for EPEL-8?
20:50:51 <tdawson> Is that a "I'm walking past you" salute?  and I should move on?
20:51:20 <smooge> walking past
20:51:31 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor / EPEL9
20:51:34 <smooge> watches the parade move on
20:52:21 <tdawson> Anything for open floor?
20:52:36 <tdawson> Maybe I'm cutting those other subjects off too quick ... we still have 8 minutes left.
20:54:57 <tdawson> OK, sounds like everyone wants another five minutes back.
20:55:16 <tdawson> Thank you everyone for coming this week, and for all the work you do for EPEL.
20:55:22 <tdawson> I'll talk to you next week.
20:55:34 <tdawson> #endmeeting