20:00:22 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2021-07-21)
20:00:22 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 21 20:00:22 2021 UTC.
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20:00:23 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
20:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
20:00:23 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson pgreco carlwgeorge michel dcavalca
20:00:23 <tdawson> #topic aloha
20:00:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: bstinson carlwgeorge dcavalca michel nirik pgreco tdawson
20:01:09 <dcavalca> .hi
20:01:11 <zodbot> dcavalca: dcavalca 'Davide Cavalca' <dcavalca@fb.com>
20:02:02 <tdawson> Hi dcavalca
20:02:22 <tdawson> Must be a busy day ... we usually have more people here by now.
20:02:31 <pgreco> hello!
20:02:42 <dcavalca> there's guadec running concurrently
20:02:56 <tdawson> Hi pgreco
20:03:12 <pgreco> hey, I have a really low priority thing for open floor
20:03:47 <tdawson> pgreco: OK, thanks, I'll make sure we get there.
20:05:33 <tdawson> Hmm with this few of people, we might get there rather fast :)
20:05:39 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
20:05:50 <tdawson> Do we have any SIG news?
20:06:33 <tdawson> Oh, michel said he wouldn't be here.
20:07:06 <tdawson> He worked on the macro/script he was working on, but doesn't sound like he finished it.
20:07:12 <dcavalca> there's a ticket up for rpmautospec support in epel
20:07:30 <dcavalca> as right now packages using it will fail to build, which is annoying as it picks up adoption
20:07:36 <carlwgeorge> .hi
20:07:37 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: carlwgeorge 'Carl George' <carl@redhat.com>
20:07:40 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge
20:07:50 <tdawson> dcavalca: Do you have the ticket link?
20:07:52 <dcavalca> https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/rpmautospec/issue/204
20:08:07 <dcavalca> I think it's blocked on pygit right now
20:08:51 <tdawson> Yep, looks like it
20:09:45 <tdawson> Well... pygit is in EPEL, right?  So we don't have to do all the RHEL work arounds.
20:10:08 <dcavalca> I think it just needs to be updated
20:11:24 <tdawson> Oh wow ... it's really out of date ... 0.28 vs 1.5.0 in rawhide.
20:11:43 <tdawson> Sorry, that's 0.26
20:12:54 <tdawson> #info rpmautospec needs a newer version of pygit for it to build on EPEL8.
20:13:37 <tdawson> If we don't have rpmautospec in epel8, can packages with the features still build in koji?
20:14:16 <dcavalca> nope, they'll fail to build for epel branches
20:14:25 <michel> Doing a hit and run here, can't stay. The author said the macros are processed on f34 hosts so building for epel should work
20:14:33 <dcavalca> oh ok
20:14:41 <dcavalca> listen to michel, he knows this better :)
20:14:52 <michel> But there's an unrelated bug breaking epel now. Without epel support you just can't run fedpkg on el
20:14:53 <tdawson> It looks like you just can't start it from an EPEL8 machine.
20:15:04 <dcavalca> it'll also fail in mock
20:15:11 <tdawson> Yep
20:15:25 <michel> We'll need to see what needs pygit2 and if it's safe to upgrade
20:15:53 <tdawson> Any volunteers?  I know I can't this week, I'm already booked.
20:15:54 * michel ducks out
20:16:20 <dcavalca> I can try and look at it, but not today
20:16:44 <tdawson> That would be great ... or tossing it to the email list might get someone else looking as well.
20:17:21 <tdawson> Anything else SIG related?
20:18:22 <dcavalca> not from me, I've filed a few more bugs to get stuff branched but no updates yet
20:18:27 <tdawson> I'm going to move to epel-next ... carlwgeorge any progress on that
20:18:44 <tdawson> dcavalca: Thank you for that.
20:19:14 <carlwgeorge> nothing new for epel-next this week
20:19:52 <tdawson> OK, then moving on to documentation
20:20:21 <tdawson> Petr got back to me.  Turns out it wasn't that he was super busy, but that his email was all messed up.
20:21:02 <tdawson> We decided he was going to start with a skeleton of a few pages, and then we'll bring over the rest.
20:21:38 <tdawson> So, progress, and hopefully next week we have something to see.
20:22:15 <tdawson> Badges and Logos ... badges hasn't moved, logo I think we are getting close
20:22:25 <tdawson> https://pagure.io/design/issue/770
20:23:01 <tdawson> I also opened a ticket for a mascot - https://pagure.io/design/issue/775
20:24:08 <tdawson> pgreco has some stuff for open floor, as do I, so I'm going to move to the regular stuff.
20:24:10 <pgreco> I'm going to need a lot of swag once all this is confirmed :D
20:24:32 <tdawson> Ha!   Yes ... we can finally have swag. :)
20:24:37 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-7
20:25:08 <tdawson> Anything for epel7 ?
20:26:00 <tdawson> I'll take that as a no.
20:26:04 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-8
20:26:11 <tdawson> Anything for EPEL 8?
20:26:30 <Eighth_Doctor> yo
20:26:41 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa
20:26:42 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
20:27:03 <Eighth_Doctor> I don't have anything in particular for EPEL8, though I am curious on tdawson's progress on KDE there :)
20:27:08 <tdawson> Hi Eighth_Doctor
20:28:13 <tdawson> For epel8-next, I plan on sending out an email tomorrow.  It's pretty much done, with three more packages that should be stable tomorrow.
20:29:25 <tdawson> There are a couple packages I've had issues building.  They aren't critical (at least to me) but I will list them in the email, and maybe get some help with that.
20:30:12 <tdawson> Anything else for epel8?
20:30:32 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor
20:30:44 <tdawson> pgreco: You said you had something for open floor?
20:30:52 <pgreco> you go first tdawson, mine is really low prio
20:31:37 <tdawson> OK, mine is about redoing the default Bodhi timeout for epel updates/builds
20:32:00 <tdawson> Currently it is set to 14 days, and the current proposal for epel8-next is 7 days.
20:32:17 <carlwgeorge> i'm fine with 7 days everywhere
20:32:25 <pgreco> yeap, me too
20:32:31 <dcavalca> yes please
20:33:12 <tdawson> Sounds like we have 4 yes votes.
20:34:03 <tdawson> I don't want to say it passes, until he hear from smooge and/or kevin.
20:34:48 <pgreco> I'd say shoot an email so we can have a quick formal vote next week, but I doubt it will have opposition
20:34:48 <tdawson> They were the ones that originally put it as 14, so they might have some reason.
20:35:20 <tdawson> OK, will do.
20:35:45 <tdawson> That was quicker than I expected  :)
20:35:58 <tdawson> pgreco: What did you have?
20:36:16 <pgreco> don't know how aware you guys are about the tor network
20:36:36 <pgreco> but there are basically 2 types of addresses, torv2 and torv3
20:37:00 <pgreco> torv2 has been deprecated for a while, and it is going to be removed from the code soon, even for all stable versions
20:37:04 <pgreco> and it will stop working
20:37:38 <pgreco> the maintainer has been keeping the versions up to date
20:38:07 <pgreco> the thing is, this is a breaking change, but not much we can do about it, and it will fall in the middle of other updates, not aligned with releases
20:38:49 <pgreco> don't know how much we can do about it, but I'm expecting that there will be some issues filed saying torv2 is nor working or something like that
20:38:57 <pgreco> I just wanted everybody to be aware
20:39:06 <tdawson> OK, thank you
20:39:20 <tdawson> Will they be removing the package?
20:39:37 <pgreco> not the package, the code that supports the old addresses
20:39:50 <tdawson> Ah, ok.
20:39:55 <pgreco> in fact, the code has already been removed, it just hasn't hit the stable releases yet
20:41:03 <tdawson> Not much we (or the maintainer) can do when a service is being discontinued.
20:41:25 <pgreco> exactly, it was more a heads-up than anything
20:41:30 <tdawson> Thanks for letting us know.  I know that I wasn't aware of it.
20:42:32 <carlwgeorge> the maintainer should still follow the incompat upgrade process to make noise about it
20:43:05 <tdawson> Correct, I was about to mention that, either to -devel or -announce, or both.
20:43:11 <pgreco> .whoowns tor
20:43:12 <zodbot> pgreco: owner: maha; admin: pwouters; commit: lmacken, skottler
20:44:02 <carlwgeorge> process is -devel to discuss, then -announce when it hits testing, then -announce again when it hits stable.
20:44:31 <pgreco> anybody familiar in the whoowns list?
20:45:31 <tdawson> Looks like maha is the person who's been maintaining and building it, both Fedora and epel
20:45:54 <pgreco> yeap, that's what I was checking too
20:46:41 <tdawson> Anything else for open floor?
20:47:10 <pgreco> I'm drafting an email to send to maha when we're done here
20:47:27 <tdawson> pgreco: Thank you
20:48:55 <tdawson> Looks like we don't have anything else this week.  I'm ok closing a few minutes early if others are too.
20:49:44 <pgreco> all good, 10 minutes discount ;)
20:50:03 <tdawson> Thank you all for coming this week.  It was quieter this week, but still a good discussion.
20:50:10 <tdawson> Talk to ya'll next week.
20:50:18 <tdawson> #endmeeting