20:00:24 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2021-08-18)
20:00:24 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Aug 18 20:00:24 2021 UTC.
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20:00:24 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
20:00:24 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel'
20:00:24 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson bstinson pgreco carlwgeorge michel dcavalca
20:00:24 <tdawson> #topic aloha
20:00:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: bstinson carlwgeorge dcavalca michel nirik pgreco tdawson
20:00:31 <pgreco> hello!
20:00:49 <nirik> morning
20:00:50 <tdawson> Hi pgreco
20:00:58 <rsc> .hello robert
20:00:58 <dcavalca> .hi
20:00:58 <zodbot> rsc: robert 'Robert Scheck' <redhat@linuxnetz.de>
20:01:00 <bkircher> Hey there
20:01:00 <tdawson> Hi nirik
20:01:02 <zodbot> dcavalca: dcavalca 'Davide Cavalca' <dcavalca@fb.com>
20:01:15 <tdawson> Hi dcavalca
20:01:24 <tdawson> Hi bkircher
20:01:39 <carlwgeorge> .hi
20:01:40 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: carlwgeorge 'Carl George' <carl@redhat.com>
20:02:08 <tdawson> bkircher I don't recognize your nick.  Do I know you?  (It's ok if I don't)
20:02:12 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge
20:02:41 <bkircher> .hi
20:02:42 <zodbot> bkircher: bkircher 'Benjamin Kircher' <bkircher@0xadd.de>
20:03:01 <bkircher> Not sure, hanging around in Fedora for quite a while
20:03:30 <tdawson> I don't recognize you, but good to have you here.
20:03:39 <bkircher> thanks :)
20:04:06 <bkircher> first timer in EPEL, actually
20:04:22 <dcavalca> tdawson: I've invited bkircher here :)
20:04:37 <tdawson> Well, we're always glad to have more.
20:04:39 <tdawson> Cool
20:04:46 <rsc> bkircher: DACH? There is also #fedora-de :)
20:05:07 <bkircher> rsc: Yep
20:05:19 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
20:05:46 <tdawson> dcavalca: Since you missed the last couple, we moved the SIG stuff to it's own topic, so it's no longer in Old Business.
20:06:00 <tdawson> So we'll start with epel-next
20:06:06 <dcavalca> thanks! and sorry, this slot keeps ending up with conflicts
20:06:10 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: nirik: any progress this week?
20:06:17 <carlwgeorge> nothing to report this past week
20:06:20 * nirik has none to report.
20:06:28 <tdawson> That was quick :)
20:06:39 <carlwgeorge> i'll try to schedule something with nirik soon, considering mohan is on pto for a while
20:07:07 * nirik nods.
20:07:11 <tdawson> Sounds good.
20:07:31 <tdawson> Moving on .... documentation.
20:08:16 <tdawson> I got what I think is all the wiki pages into the documentation format.  I sent out an email, so if people can take a look and make sure I found them all, I would appreciate it.
20:09:23 <tdawson> Some of them need some updating, but I'm going to save that till later, cuz once it is setup, then anyone can do a pull request and help clean things up.
20:09:40 <dcavalca> I skimmed the link in the email right before this, and it looks sane
20:10:11 <tdawson> Thanks
20:10:18 * nirik hasn;t seen it yet
20:10:21 <dcavalca> https://tdawson.fedorapeople.org/epel-docs/public/epel/
20:10:41 <tdawson> Ya, I guess putting a link in the meetings makes things easier :)
20:11:51 <carlwgeorge> nice
20:12:13 <tdawson> I think we can comment on the email, so we don't have to spend too much time here, unless anyone has any immediate comments.
20:12:47 <tdawson> Moving on to default bodhi time
20:13:16 <tdawson> nirik: It looks like it was put in, correct?
20:13:27 <rsc> 7 days to stable? Yes. Works for me.
20:13:29 <nirik> I... thought I did this, but now I am doubting myself. let me confirm
20:13:33 <tdawson> Err ... changed to 7
20:13:57 <tdawson> Well, epel8-next changed, so something happened.
20:14:42 <nirik> yes, I think I changed it.
20:14:46 <nirik> roles/bodhi2/base/templates/production.ini.j2:fedora_epel.mandatory_days_in_testing
20:14:50 <nirik> = 7
20:14:59 <tdawson> Ya!!
20:15:02 <tdawson> nirik++
20:15:02 <zodbot> tdawson: Karma for kevin changed to 47 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:15:37 <nirik> yeah, it's done
20:16:00 <nirik> They say your memory is the second thing to go... I forget what the first is.
20:16:05 <tdawson> Now I can take it off my old business list. :)  Oh ... and I don't have to wait 14 days anymore ... but you know, getting it off my list is almost as important.
20:16:16 <tdawson> :)
20:17:21 <tdawson> Moving to badges and logos ... I didn't see any progress this week.
20:17:47 <tdawson> And I think that's it for old business, unless I missed something.
20:17:57 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-7
20:18:31 <tdawson> Anything new this week dealing with epel7 ?
20:19:18 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-8
20:19:27 <tdawson> Anything dealing with epel8?
20:19:36 <bkircher> I got something
20:19:46 <tdawson> bkircher: go for it
20:20:04 <bkircher> Actually a question regarding packaging qemu for epel8
20:20:36 <bkircher> I see that there is some preparational work by Cole Robinson in qemu for epel8, but not yet finished
20:21:00 <bkircher> Is there some process or a way for me to jump on it and help?
20:21:48 <carlwgeorge> cole would probably be the person to ask
20:21:54 <tdawson> bkircher: Is there a bugzilla somewhere dealing with it?  and/or have you tried to contact him?
20:21:56 <bkircher> As a background: we (myself at least) like to have a package based on the Fedora packaging in c8s and later c9s if possible
20:22:06 <bkircher> tdawson: not yet
20:22:22 <carlwgeorge> the main challenge would be ensuring there are no file conflicts with rhel's qemu-kvm
20:22:29 <bkircher> there is somthing in Hyperscale SIG https://pagure.io/centos-sig-hyperscale/sig/issue/67
20:22:33 <bkircher> carlwgeorge: indeed
20:22:34 <nirik> that sounds like perhaps a centos sig might be the place?
20:22:56 <dcavalca> so, we were talking about this within Hyperscale, and the conclusion was that it seemed better to try and target EPEL first
20:23:05 <carlwgeorge> if file conflicts can be avoided, epel would be better, but yes a centos sig can ignore that requirement
20:23:16 <dcavalca> as that would make the package more available
20:23:46 <bkircher> there is an epel7 branch for qemu, too
20:23:53 <carlwgeorge> thankfully the srpm name is already different so that won't be a problem
20:24:18 <bkircher> carlwgeorge: true
20:24:26 <nirik> I would think it would be doable
20:24:32 <carlwgeorge> i think the next step would be opening a bugzilla to discuss this with the fedora qemu maintainers
20:24:42 <tdawson> Since there isn't an epel8 branch yet, I think the first step would be to open a bugzilla asking for one.
20:24:49 <carlwgeorge> i imagine many of whom are also rhel qemu-kvm maintainers
20:25:02 <bkircher> sounds good
20:25:07 <bkircher> will do
20:25:10 <bkircher> thanks!
20:25:51 <tdawson> I know that I would appreciate it.  I've already had to rebuild it once for a project I was working on.
20:26:20 <tdawson> Anything else epel8 related?
20:26:55 <tdawson> Moving on then
20:27:05 <tdawson> #topic EPEL-Packaging-SIG
20:27:24 <tdawson> Anything related to the SIG that needs to be discussed?
20:27:28 <dcavalca> I've added a few more packages to the tracking bug
20:27:36 <dcavalca> nothing terribly notable though
20:27:51 <tdawson> Still good
20:28:58 <tdawson> When we start working on the documentation content, I think I'm going to change a few things with the SIG and generic packager content.  It was a little confusing because the page names and section names were too similar, so it sounded like just being an epel packager made you part of the EPEL packager SIG.
20:29:32 <tdawson> But, not this week.  Not until the documentation get's settled.
20:29:56 <tdawson> Anything else SIG related?
20:30:14 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor
20:31:10 <tdawson> This meetings gone pretty fast.  Nothing controversial at all ...
20:31:33 <dcavalca> eh, quiet week I guess
20:31:45 <tdawson> Yep, I'm fine with that.
20:31:53 <nirik> works for me
20:31:58 <dcavalca> someone was asking about epel 9 in another channel yesterday
20:32:05 <dcavalca> that might be worth a public update at some point
20:32:32 <carlwgeorge> tell them to keep an eye out for the "what's next for epel next" talk from nest to be uploaded to youtube
20:32:47 <tdawson> I guess once the Flock/Nest video's are out, we could point people to them ....
20:32:53 <dcavalca> perfect, that works
20:33:18 <rsc> What about RISC-V for epel-next? There are rumors that RHEL 9 would cover RISC-V...
20:33:24 <tdawson> Ha!  carlwgeorge we think alike, but you certainly have faster fingers.
20:34:04 <tdawson> As much as I'd love that, I think RISC-V needs to get into Fedora before it get's into RHEL.
20:34:10 <dcavalca> rsc: are there even RISC-V boxes fast enough to act as builders?
20:34:11 * nirik would love to hear of any enterprise grade risc-v hardware... that could keep up on builds in fedora
20:34:28 <dcavalca> yeah, strong +1 to getting this in Fedora first
20:34:39 <rsc> Okay, so the rumors aren't true?
20:34:51 <carlwgeorge> stream 9 isn't building for risc-v, so i don't really see how it make it into rhel 9 at this point.  and like other said it needs to get proven in fedora first.
20:35:07 <tdawson> First I've heard of the rumor.
20:35:30 <nirik> I don't know on rhel, but I have talked with folks about fedora... I don't think there's hardware yet that we could use... but it's getting closer and we are helping them out with external koji building.
20:36:02 <carlwgeorge> rhel maintainers are rightfully getting flak about doing openssl3 in c9 before rawhide, so hopefully they remember that if someone suggests doing risc-v in centos before fedora
20:36:40 <rsc> Bah, I raised that during summit. And I was told it happens at "both in parallel" (which is not true IMHO)
20:36:52 <rsc> (OpenSSL 3)
20:37:08 <nirik> it's not yet happened in fedora I don't think, but they should be starting it now that branching has happened
20:37:28 <carlwgeorge> it got delayed from an f35 change to an f36 change
20:37:30 <carlwgeorge> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/X7MNWARL4HIZXONZNCV257M6BFCBVE6K/#MMMBMFMTOXVTEGAYQBY63OAM23J3LCZR
20:38:13 <tdawson> Anything else for the Open Floor?
20:38:28 <tdawson> If not, I'll give ya'll 20 minutes back.
20:38:32 <carlwgeorge> i understand rhel not wanting to support openssl 1.1.1 through 2032, but it still should have been done in rawhide first
20:39:30 <tdawson> Thanks everyone for coming this week.  Good (though short) discussions.   Talk to ya'll next week, if not sooner.
20:39:42 <dcavalca> thanks tdawson
20:39:43 <bkircher> Nice meeting you, thank you
20:39:44 <pgreco> thanks tdawson!
20:39:47 <nirik> thanks tdawson
20:39:53 <tdawson> #endmeeting