21:00:26 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2023-01-25) 21:00:26 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 25 21:00:26 2023 UTC. 21:00:26 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 21:00:26 <zodbot> The chair is tdawson. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 21:00:26 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:00:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel_(2023-01-25)' 21:00:27 <tdawson> #meetingname epel 21:00:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'epel' 21:00:29 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson pgreco carlwgeorge salimma dcavalca dherrera gotmax[m] smooge 21:00:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge dcavalca dherrera gotmax[m] nirik pgreco salimma smooge tdawson 21:00:30 <tdawson> #topic aloha 21:00:38 <rcallicotte> .hi 21:00:39 <zodbot> rcallicotte: rcallicotte 'Robby Callicotte' <rcallicotte@mailbox.org> 21:00:40 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa 21:00:42 <dherrera> .hi 21:00:42 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com> 21:00:46 <zodbot> dherrera: dherrera 'Diego Herrera' <dherrera@redhat.com> 21:00:47 <davide> .hello dcavalca 21:00:48 <zodbot> davide: dcavalca 'Davide Cavalca' <davide@cavalca.name> 21:00:53 <salimma> .hi 21:00:54 <zodbot> salimma: salimma 'Michel Alexandre Salim' <michel@michel-slm.name> 21:01:10 <neil> .hi 21:01:11 <zodbot> neil: neil 'Neil Hanlon' <neil@shrug.pw> 21:01:40 <tdawson> Hi rcallicotte dherrera salimma and neil 21:01:44 <nirik> morning 21:01:48 <salimma> wow glad I'm using my Fedora one, the lag to my personal Matrix is about 15 secs 21:01:49 <tdawson> Hello Eighth_Doctor 21:01:53 <neil> heya all 21:02:01 <tdawson> Morning nirik 21:02:08 <neil> morning nirik 21:02:23 <carlwgeorge> .hi 21:02:24 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: carlwgeorge 'Carl George' <carl@redhat.com> 21:02:34 <yselkowitz[m]> .hi 21:02:35 <zodbot> yselkowitz[m]: Sorry, but user 'yselkowitz [m]' does not exist 21:02:37 <smooge> hello 21:02:53 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge and yselkowitz[m] 21:02:58 <tdawson> Hello smooge 21:03:01 <yselkowitz[m]> .hello yselkowitz 21:03:03 <zodbot> yselkowitz[m]: yselkowitz 'Yaakov Selkowitz' <yselkowi@redhat.com> 21:03:31 <tdawson> We've got quite the full crowd today 21:04:12 <tdawson> Which is rather surprising considering we don't have much on the agenda 21:05:02 <salimma> it's my favorite meeting of the week :) 21:05:14 <tdawson> :) 21:05:16 * salimma confesses he normally doesn't look at the agenda beforehand :P 21:05:17 <tdawson> #topic End Of Life (EOL) 21:05:18 <tdawson> RHEL 7 will go EOL on 2024-06-30 21:05:20 <tdawson> CentOS Stream 8 goes EOL in 2024-05-31 21:05:21 <tdawson> CentOS Stream 9 goes EOL in 2027-05-31 21:06:10 <tdawson> Related to this ... for those that remember, I said I hoped stream 8 would last longer and I've been poking internally for that ... looks like I'm not going to get my wish. :( 21:06:37 <tdawson> It's still possible it might get extended, but it isn't looking like it. 21:06:54 <tdawson> and .... moving on. 21:07:00 <tdawson> #topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues 21:07:02 <tdawson> https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open 21:07:31 * salimma won't be too sad to see 8 go - due to modularity and lack of vendor support 21:07:36 <tdawson> We only have the one issue ... and since there are votes, it's more of a formality 21:08:00 <tdawson> .epel 219 21:08:01 <zodbot> tdawson: Issue #219: Request to join the EPEL Packaging SIG - epel - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/epel/issue/219 21:08:04 <salimma> added a late vote 21:08:33 <dherrera> oh, that's me :) 21:08:41 <neil> :) 21:08:54 <davide> +1 21:09:03 <tdawson> With all the votes, dherrera clearly has enough to be added to the epel-packagers-sig . Does someone mind doing that? 21:09:15 * nirik can 21:09:29 <tdawson> dherrera: congratulations 21:09:56 <Eighth_Doctor> actually I have one thing for this topic type, one moment 21:11:02 <Eighth_Doctor> well, hopefully Dalton M shows up 21:11:08 <Eighth_Doctor> not sure if he's around yet 21:11:23 <Eighth_Doctor> but as some of you might be aware, I've left Datto last week 21:11:39 <tdawson> Eighth_Doctor: Is this regarding an issue? Or a new person? 21:11:54 <Eighth_Doctor> new person 21:12:12 <Eighth_Doctor> with regards to that, Dalton M is my former colleague at Datto who will be assuming some of my work in EPEL on behalf of Datto in the EPEL Packager SIG 21:12:29 <tdawson> Ahh ... ok. Cool. 21:12:46 <Eighth_Doctor> so I'd like to have him added to the SIG, if that's okay with folks 21:13:17 <smooge> it would be nice of them to please email the list or a meeting 21:13:39 <nirik> file a ticket? thats been the process in the past... 21:13:44 <tdawson> But ... well ... he isn't you ... not that anyone can be you ... but just because he works for datto doesn't mean we will automatically put him in. 21:13:49 <nirik> but welcome to them! ;) 21:14:06 <salimma> I've met Dalton and am happy to vote in favor, but yeah please file a ticket 21:14:10 <Eighth_Doctor> that's true, though he is already a Fedora packager, just a small-time one ;) 21:14:18 <salimma> and attending / introducing by email will probably help with those who don't know him 21:14:24 <Eighth_Doctor> I don't know how any of this works with membership, so I just brought it up now 21:14:54 <Eighth_Doctor> since being a founding member makes things a bit different for me ð 21:14:58 <tdawson> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/epel/epel-packagers-sig/#_join_the_epel_packagers_sig 21:15:19 <davide> I can also vouch for Dalton, but yeah, let's file a ticket 21:15:26 <Eighth_Doctor> I'm not leaving EPEL though either, though :) 21:15:40 <tdawson> Eighth_Doctor: Glad to hear that. :) 21:15:48 <Eighth_Doctor> so I'm not going anywhere, it's merely accelerating a lot of handoff plans because I was already doing too much at work :P 21:16:03 * neil is also glad to hear that :) 21:16:15 * Eighth_Doctor marvels at the feeling of going from 120% to 0% in the span of a couple of days 21:16:24 <neil> feels weird, eh? 21:16:35 <salimma> if Neal does not work on it we wouldn't have ffmpeg in EPEL :) 21:16:44 <Eighth_Doctor> haha 21:16:48 <tdawson> or alot of other things. 21:16:53 <neil> tdawson++ 21:16:53 <zodbot> neil: Karma for tdawson changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 21:17:01 <carlwgeorge> pfft, who needs to play videos on a server anyways 21:17:08 <Eighth_Doctor> meanie :) 21:17:17 <carlwgeorge> kidding of course 21:17:27 <Eighth_Doctor> I imagine plex/jellyfin/emby folks disagree 21:17:38 <yselkowitz[m]> anyway... 21:17:41 <salimma> or youtube or fb or instagram or tiktok :) 21:17:55 <tdawson> I'm going to move on ... 21:18:01 <tdawson> #topic Old Business 21:18:39 <tdawson> This is a reminder that next week we are going to talk about epel10, or specifically carlwgeorge proposal for epel10 21:19:03 <tdawson> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/epel-10-proposal/44304 21:19:17 <tdawson> So get your questions / discussions / comments in this week. 21:19:25 * Eighth_Doctor mumbles 21:19:28 <carlwgeorge> also reminder, that same day is the epel office hours, if anyone would prefer to talk about it over video 21:19:37 <tdawson> Good point. 21:19:43 <rcallicotte> :) 21:19:47 <Eighth_Doctor> oh that's going to be better :) 21:19:49 <Eighth_Doctor> oh wait 21:19:51 <Eighth_Doctor> next week? 21:19:59 <Eighth_Doctor> uhhhh 21:20:04 <tdawson> Oh ... FOSDEM is next week 21:20:07 <neil> yeah 21:20:13 <neil> i'm traveling wednesday :\ 21:20:16 <smooge> skip 21:20:23 * salimma has to work on his slides 21:20:26 <tdawson> Well, we just picked a week ... how about the week after next. 21:20:31 <smooge> so people who have the luxury of going can travel 21:20:39 <neil> all part of carlwgeorge's plan to push through his proposal ! 21:20:54 * Eighth_Doctor collapses 21:20:58 <tdawson> Ha! ... except I picked the week. 21:21:00 <smooge> my proposal for epel-10 is all flatpaks 21:21:05 <neil> collusion! 21:21:06 <carlwgeorge> conspiracy for sure 21:21:12 <Eighth_Doctor> >_> 21:21:20 <Eighth_Doctor> ð 21:21:23 <tdawson> How about the week after, which is Feb. 8th. 21:21:41 <carlwgeorge> whatever works, we have tons of time still 21:21:43 <salimma> plot twist: tdawson and carlwgeorge are the same person 21:21:50 <tdawson> *laughs* 21:21:58 <Eighth_Doctor> oh dear 21:21:59 <neil> :D 21:22:02 <rcallicotte> flatpacks! 21:22:10 <neil> flatpaks of snaps (of appimages) 21:22:12 <Eighth_Doctor> no 21:22:13 <yselkowitz[m]> I'm also wondering if fedora flatpaks makes sense for gui apps in place of epel 21:22:27 <tdawson> flatpacks for the win 21:22:31 * Eighth_Doctor gurgles 21:22:42 <nirik> I think it's another option... not sure I would say 'in place of' 21:22:52 <salimma> oh - use the fedora flatpaks directly on epel? that would be interesting 21:23:00 <yselkowitz[m]> in place of building them for epel, that is 21:23:02 <neil> tdawson: feb 8th i cannot make, but i'm not exactly the target of your inquiry ;) 21:23:10 <yselkowitz[m]> just for gui apps, of course 21:23:27 <nirik> yeah, I'd think fedora ones would work/be just fine on rhel, but of course not tested it... 21:23:27 * Eighth_Doctor chokes and coughs 21:23:41 <carlwgeorge> it's up to the maintainers, we aren't going to say no to a gui app in epel if someone is willing to maintain it there regardless of if it's available as a flatpak 21:23:56 <salimma> we should just use this for portable CLI apps ;) https://justine.lol/cosmopolitan/index.html 21:24:20 <salimma> oh Dalton is here 21:24:24 <Eighth_Doctor> I'd personally rather not deal with flatpaks if I don't have to 21:24:26 <Eighth_Doctor> salimma: ðŠĶ 21:24:38 <dminer> <Eighth_Doctor> "with regards to that, Dalton M..." <- ð 21:24:49 <dminer> hey, didn't know I was invited to this - just got back to my desk ð 21:25:06 <tdawson> Hi dminer 21:25:16 * carlwgeorge waves at dminer 21:25:35 <nirik> welcome! 21:25:40 <carlwgeorge> you can read the scroll back if you like but this is your relevant link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/epel/epel-packagers-sig/#_join_the_epel_packagers_sig 21:26:33 <Eighth_Doctor> basically, Dalton M, you're the guy taking over some of the stuff I do for Datto, you're already a fedora packager, now you say hi and introduce yourself to the epel folks ð 21:26:55 <Eighth_Doctor> then file said ticket to join epel packager sig 21:26:56 <dminer> carlwgeorge: thanks! 21:27:26 <dminer> ah yes, this SIG does seem like it'd be relevant to what I'll be doing ð 21:27:37 <tdawson> I'm going to flip the topic to Open Floor, since we've covered old business 21:27:40 <Eighth_Doctor> that and ELN, which I think is on Friday 21:27:48 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor 21:28:02 <tdawson> There, now dminer isn't old business 21:28:10 <salimma> I have one question about... ugh modularity 21:28:24 <smooge> it's dead? 21:28:25 <Eighth_Doctor> lol 21:28:27 <Eighth_Doctor> * lol / ugh 21:28:32 <smooge> no not yet 21:28:35 <salimma> from the EPEL group earlier: probably something for the meeting later, but ugh modularity: package python39-pytest-6.0.2-2.module_el8.6.0+2780+a40f65e1.noarch is filtered out by modular filtering 21:28:44 <neil> i wanted to bring up rhbz#2100239 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2100239), and if someone might be able to prod that along. there are a handful of yubi* packages which might be nice to bring in. I'm interested, personally, in some of those 21:28:47 <salimma> not ours... but the modules in CentOS / RHEL proper that affects us 21:28:54 <salimma> oh, neil go first 21:29:09 <neil> oh, sorry salimma 21:29:38 <salimma> np. looks like the request and the ping has been made, so we should just proceed to the last stage and ask releng to add the packagers SIG? 21:30:24 <neil> ð that's sorta my question, thank you.. what are the next steps there heh :) I can open a releng ticket, if appropriate 21:30:32 <tdawson> neil: Are you a fedora packager? I've seen you around enough that I thought you were. 21:30:39 <neil> tdawson I am not yet 21:30:52 <nirik> neil: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/epel/epel-policy/#stalled_epel_requests 21:30:52 <tdawson> Ahh ... ok. 21:31:07 <neil> though I do have https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2152757 open 21:31:08 <salimma> this is the flow - probably easiest if one of the packagers SIG members file the request? https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/epel/epel-package-request/ 21:31:13 <nirik> but that assumes you are a packager I guess 21:31:18 <neil> ty nirik, salimma 21:31:34 <salimma> so ... who here is interested in yubikey and want to maintain it in epel :) 21:31:40 <Eighth_Doctor> let's get neil to be a packager first 21:31:43 <tdawson> Ya, if he isn't a a fedora packager, he can't do it. 21:31:55 <Eighth_Doctor> he's got a review request, so someone should pick it up and do the review 21:31:58 <salimma> neil: happy to sponsor you, I can take that review request 21:32:17 <neil> thank you, i appreciate it :) 21:32:24 <salimma> oh right, then neil can do the releng escalation himself afterwards 21:32:34 <nirik> problem... solved! 21:32:58 <neil> great. Thanks folks! 21:33:01 * neil is excited 21:33:26 <salimma> so yeah, the other thing... uh, python39-pytest is in a module but is filtered out in mock 21:33:41 <rcallicotte> oh dear 21:33:53 <salimma> meaning... the packages I'm rebuilding for python39-* in epel8, if they use pytest for the test suite, I have to regretfully disable the tests 21:34:08 <nirik> salimma: are you setting that dnf flag? 21:34:24 <salimma> nope, this is unmodified mock 21:34:34 <nirik> module_hotfixes=1 21:34:36 <yselkowitz[m]> locally or in koji builds? 21:34:51 <salimma> I've not tried in koji, just local so far. oh, are the configs different? 21:34:58 <nirik> and against what mock target? ;) 21:35:12 <carlwgeorge> looks like python39-pytest is in the python39-devel module in crb 21:35:18 <salimma> ah. right now, alma+epel-8-x86_64 since that's the closest to Koji 21:35:39 <carlwgeorge> i'm willing to bet that's available in koji via grobisplitter 21:36:07 <nirik> right, koji uses a 'flat' repo... but the others I think just have normal modules. 21:36:11 <carlwgeorge> for a local build you'll have to module enable python39-devel:3.9 21:36:36 <salimma> good to know, thanks! let's see https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=96679462 21:36:38 <nirik> See /usr/share/doc/mock/site-defaults.cfg and look for "List of module commands to be executed when initializing chroot" 21:37:15 <carlwgeorge> who else is ready for non-modular alternative pythons in rhel9? 21:37:23 <smooge> it is available due to grobi-splitter. 21:37:24 <salimma> ooh. so I need ('enable', 'python39-devel:3.9') basically ? 21:37:27 <rcallicotte> me me me! 21:37:28 <smooge> oh sorry late 21:37:29 * neil waves aggressively 21:37:32 <neil> salimma: yep 21:37:41 <salimma> carlwgeorge: oh me too, so much 21:38:02 <salimma> thanks, I'm glad I asked :). nothing more from me, I'm sure I can get this to work 21:39:05 <tdawson> So, relating to next week ... how many people will be here? 21:39:14 <carlwgeorge> i will 21:39:15 <salimma> I'll be here 21:39:18 <rcallicotte> I should be here 21:39:31 <tdawson> Ah ... ok ... so not as many missing as I thought. 21:39:31 <yselkowitz[m]> not going anywhere 21:39:47 * neil checks what time his flight actually is 21:40:08 <tdawson> OK, then not a problem. But we'll push the epel10 discussion back to Feb 8th anyway. 21:40:15 <salimma> taking a meeting from inflight wifi is the boss move 21:40:31 <dherrera> I should be here too 21:40:32 <neil> without a headset 21:40:44 <salimma> well, it's an IRC meeting so... 21:40:56 <Eighth_Doctor> it'll be late but I'll probably be there 21:41:00 <Eighth_Doctor> since I fly out on Sunday 21:41:07 * nirik should be around 21:41:23 <neil> yea i'll be here 21:42:16 <tdawson> Anything else for this week? 21:43:05 <tdawson> It's been fairly quiet for the past couple of weeks ... wich has been rather nice, but I always worry that something is about to hit us. 21:43:47 <tdawson> OK, then I'll talk to ya'll next week, if not sooner. 21:44:02 <tdawson> Thank you all for coming, and thank you for all you do for EPEL and it's community. 21:44:20 <tdawson> #endmeeting