20:00:20 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2023-03-29)
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20:00:22 <tdawson> #meetingname epel
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20:00:23 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson pgreco carlwgeorge salimma dcavalca dherrera gotmax23 smooge
20:00:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge dcavalca dherrera gotmax23 nirik pgreco salimma smooge tdawson
20:00:25 <tdawson> #topic aloha
20:00:27 <pgreco> .hi
20:00:28 <zodbot> pgreco: pgreco 'Pablo Sebastian Greco' <pablo@fliagreco.com.ar>
20:00:29 <rcallicotte> .hi
20:00:31 <zodbot> rcallicotte: rcallicotte 'Robby Callicotte' <rcallicotte@mailbox.org>
20:00:34 <neil> .hi
20:00:35 <zodbot> neil: neil 'Neil Hanlon' <neil@shrug.pw>
20:00:49 <tdawson> Hi pgreco rcallicotte and neil
20:01:01 <rcallicotte> :)
20:01:01 <dherrera> .hi
20:01:02 <zodbot> dherrera: dherrera 'Diego Herrera' <dherrera@redhat.com>
20:01:16 <tdawson> Hi dherrera
20:01:30 <nirik> morning
20:01:38 <carlwgeorge> .hi
20:01:39 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: carlwgeorge 'Carl George' <carl@redhat.com>
20:01:43 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge
20:01:46 <davide> .hello dcavalca
20:01:47 <zodbot> davide: dcavalca 'Davide Cavalca' <davide@cavalca.name>
20:01:49 <tdawson> Morning nirik
20:01:54 <tdawson> Hello davide
20:02:32 <dminer> .hello
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20:03:22 <tdawson> Hello dminer
20:03:46 <tdawson> .hello dminer
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20:03:49 <pgreco> dminer: tdawson is treating you a bit better than zodbot
20:03:55 <tdawson> :)
20:04:18 <dminer> Hah, thank you tdawson . Guess I didn't understand how that works 😄
20:05:08 <tdawson> #topic End Of Life (EOL)
20:05:09 <tdawson> RHEL 7 will go EOL on 2024-06-30
20:05:11 <tdawson> CentOS Stream 8 goes EOL in 2024-05-31
20:05:12 <tdawson> CentOS Stream 9 goes EOL in 2027-05-31
20:05:36 <tdawson> #topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
20:05:38 <tdawson> https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
20:06:08 <gotmax23> .hi
20:06:09 <tdawson> Looks a little bare there ... which is a good thing I think.
20:06:09 <zodbot> gotmax23: gotmax23 'Maxwell G' <maxwell@gtmx.me>
20:06:13 <tdawson> Hi gotmax23
20:06:33 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
20:06:38 <gotmax23> Hi! Sorry I'm late. It's a busy afternoon :)
20:06:57 <tdawson> gotmax23: Not a problem, thus far, not much new stuff.
20:07:16 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: I have just one quick question for the EPEL 10 proposal
20:07:26 <carlwgeorge> shoot
20:08:16 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Now that we've passed that we'll do it, can we do some break out ... pages?  (whatever they call them in discorse) ... for specific items.  Like what the dist will be
20:08:30 <tdawson> It's just that the document is currently rather long.
20:08:39 <tdawson> But on the flip side ... everything is there.
20:09:30 <tdawson> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/epel-10-proposal/44304
20:09:42 <tdawson> For those that are looking for the link.
20:09:49 <carlwgeorge> theoretically yes, i just have to figure out how to do that.  i've seen mattdm do it with other threads.
20:11:16 <tdawson> If we could do it, that would help (at least help me) so discussions on those sub-topics don't get mixed together.
20:11:19 <carlwgeorge> it's not immediately obvious to me how that works, but i can look into and probably figure it out
20:11:47 <carlwgeorge> i agree the thread is getting a bit long.  but even once split there is a reference back.
20:11:55 <tdawson> I wish I'd thought of it while I was seeing Matt.  We could have asked him how he does it.
20:12:00 <nirik> might be nice to move the bulk to a doc and then discuss the extra parts?
20:13:18 <carlwgeorge> are you thinking a hackmd or something in docs.fpo?
20:13:39 <nirik> something in epel docs... but whatever works.
20:15:09 <tdawson> That was the only old business I had.   Any other old business?
20:15:13 <carlwgeorge> i'm not sure where a wip plan for epel10 would fit in the current docs
20:15:32 <tdawson> Sorry ... I'm typing too fast.
20:16:31 <carlwgeorge> no worries, we can move on.  my next task will be figuring out the thread splitting, then we can see if it makes sense to write up a doc with what is more or less agreed upon.
20:16:42 <nirik> perhaps a top level 'work in progress' -> epel10 or something? I guess it could be too soon..
20:17:28 <tdawson> Any other Old Business ?
20:18:20 <gotmax23> We could add the proposal as a markdown file in pagure.io/epel in a different directory
20:18:49 <tdawson> Oh ... true ... so it doesn't show up in docs, but you can still read it.
20:18:56 <gotmax23> So the history is tracked and people could submit PRs biut not included in the docs
20:19:04 <gotmax23> tdawson: right
20:19:52 <neil> that would make sense. put the more-or-less agreed upon stuff in there while the other details continue being discussed
20:22:21 <carlwgeorge> what benefit does that have over the thread's top post?  I can (and have) edited it as needed.
20:23:26 <nirik> well, is that the form that will eventually appear in docs? if so, I guess no reason to do it... I just thought it needed translating / working to guidelines/fornal doc page...
20:24:57 <carlwgeorge> hmm, writing up the proposal again sounds pointless, but writing up what will eventually be the docs for epel10 does make more sense
20:25:16 <carlwgeorge> like the "epel10 workflow" page we discussed previously
20:25:39 <nirik> yeah, that.
20:25:45 <nirik> but perhaps it's too soon before everything is decided?
20:26:28 <gotmax23> I think having the proposal in a markdown file in the repo might be easier to follow especially if we split out the discussion like tdawson suggested, but I don't have too much of a preference.
20:26:59 <tdawson> Either way ... I'd just be happy being able to discuss one or the other of the sub-threads without having to scroll through all the other stuff.
20:27:42 <tdawson> How about we let you think about it, give something a try, and I'll bring it up next week.
20:28:43 <carlwgeorge> I'll look into it and report back
20:28:48 <gotmax23> Ack
20:28:59 <tdawson> Thanks
20:29:13 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor
20:29:22 <tdawson> Anything for Open Floor ?
20:30:14 <gotmax23> I'm working on building ansible to build for Python 3.11 in EPEL 8 Next now that it's been updated in CentOS Stream 8
20:30:23 <gotmax23> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/ansible/pull-request/47
20:30:30 <rcallicotte> oh what fun!
20:30:39 <dminer> Nice!
20:30:47 <gotmax23> Unfortunately, there's still some issues with missing packages in CentOS Stream 8 composes
20:31:30 <gotmax23> https://issues.redhat.com/browse/CS-1502 and https://issues.redhat.com/browse/CS-1523 are the Stream issue FTR
20:31:40 <gotmax23> I've been able to work around them in the PR
20:32:03 <gotmax23> (and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2137139)
20:32:40 <gotmax23> Anyways, that's all I have. I'll submit the builds later today.
20:32:53 <pgreco> just a side comment from me, looks like we found someone to unlock bwm-ng for epel9. I  don't  have any permissions, but at least we have a contact
20:33:12 <gotmax23> Sorry for the link barrage. I never know if I'm providing too much or to little context :)
20:33:29 <pgreco> I'll have to file an unresponsive maintainer process eventually...
20:34:55 <tdawson> pgreco: So ... I see that it's built for epel9 and in epel9-testing ... do you still need the permissions?
20:35:34 <pgreco> tdawson: not right now
20:35:44 <pgreco> we'll do the proper process (eventually)
20:36:19 <tdawson> Ah.  OK.
20:37:22 <gotmax23> Also, I submitted https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-rpm-macros/c/7c1824e99a7fe38e7d618ecb9ef7a8476ea2c9d8?branch=epel8.
20:37:26 <gotmax23> This adds fallback macros for rpmautospec to epel-rpm-macros in EPEL 8 so you can build packages with rpmautospec on an EL 8 machine.
20:38:01 <tdawson> OOoooh ... nice
20:39:05 <pgreco> gotmax23: don't know the unicode for clapping on IRC, but it deserves a lot!
20:39:15 <neil> 👏
20:39:30 <neil> great news!
20:39:36 <nirik> 👏
20:39:36 <gotmax23> It's not a perfect solution (they're just fallbacks), but at least you can actually build the SRPMs on an EL 8 machine
20:39:45 <gotmax23> thanks :)
20:41:18 <tdawson> Anything else before we call it a meeting?
20:42:15 <tdawson> Thank you all for comming and the good discussion.  And especially thank ya'll for all the work you do for EPEL.
20:42:23 <tdawson> I'll talk to you next week, if not sooner.
20:42:25 <davide> thanks tdawson!
20:42:38 <tdawson> #endmeeting