20:00:08 <tdawson> #startmeeting EPEL (2023-05-17)
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20:00:11 <tdawson> #chair nirik tdawson pgreco carlwgeorge salimma dcavalca dherrera gotmax23 smooge
20:00:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge dcavalca dherrera gotmax23 nirik pgreco salimma smooge tdawson
20:00:12 <tdawson> #topic aloha
20:00:24 <davide> .hello dcavalca
20:00:25 <zodbot> davide: dcavalca 'Davide Cavalca' <davide@cavalca.name>
20:00:27 <carlwgeorge> .hi
20:00:28 <zodbot> carlwgeorge: carlwgeorge 'Carl George' <carl@redhat.com>
20:00:30 <nirik> morning. sort of here, sort of prepping for outage in an hour.
20:00:41 <tdawson> Hello davide
20:00:43 <tdawson> Hi carlwgeorge
20:00:47 <tdawson> Morning nirik
20:01:16 <neil> .hi
20:01:17 <zodbot> neil: neil 'Neil Hanlon' <neil@shrug.pw>
20:01:21 <neil> g'day folks
20:01:38 <gotmax> .hi
20:01:39 <zodbot> gotmax: Sorry, but user 'gotmax' does not exist
20:01:45 <carlwgeorge> neil: what was the site for that ranked choice web app you recommended?
20:01:46 <gotmax> .hello gotmax23
20:01:47 <zodbot> gotmax: gotmax23 'Maxwell G' <maxwell@gtmx.me>
20:01:58 <tdawson> Hi neil
20:02:02 <neil> #link https://rankedchoices.com/
20:02:03 <tdawson> Hello gotmax
20:02:30 <dherrera> .hi
20:02:31 <zodbot> dherrera: dherrera 'Diego Herrera' <dherrera@redhat.com>
20:02:33 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Do you want to setup a ballot, or do you want met do?
20:02:37 <tdawson> Hi dherrera
20:02:53 <jcpunk> hello
20:03:00 <tdawson> Hello jcpunk
20:03:03 <carlwgeorge> either way, i was getting ready to set it up so you could focus on running the first part of the meeting
20:03:12 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: That would be great, thanks.
20:03:19 <dminer> .hi
20:03:20 <zodbot> dminer: dminer 'Dalton Miner' <daltonminer@gmail.com>
20:03:29 <tdawson> I was going to set it up before, then couldn't find the link.
20:03:32 <tdawson> Hi dminer
20:03:52 <neil> carlwgeorge: i'm actually thinking it might be a neat feature to add to nuancier... (ranked choice, that is)
20:05:07 <tdawson> #topic End Of Life (EOL)
20:05:08 <tdawson> RHEL 7 / epel-7 will go EOL on 2024-06-30
20:05:09 <tdawson> CentOS Stream 8 / epel-8-next goes EOL in 2024-05-31
20:05:11 <tdawson> CentOS Stream 9 / epel-9-next goes EOL in 2027-05-31
20:06:08 <tdawson> Usually the agenda does EPEL Issues first, before Old Business, but this time, I want enough time for Old Business.
20:06:10 <smooge> hello
20:06:15 <tdawson> Hello smooge
20:06:17 <Eighth_Doctor> .hello ngompa
20:06:18 <zodbot> Eighth_Doctor: ngompa 'Neal Gompa' <ngompa13@gmail.com>
20:06:22 <Eighth_Doctor> hey folks
20:06:23 <tdawson> Hello Eighth_Doctor
20:06:30 <neil> hey Eighth_Doctor
20:06:33 <tdawson> #topic Old Business
20:06:33 <gotmax> 👋
20:06:50 * Eighth_Doctor is finally recovering from being overheated now that his new air conditioning system is installed
20:06:50 <nirik> we have rhel 9.2 and 8.8 released here in the last few weeks too for anyone living under a rock.
20:07:09 <tdawson> Yep
20:07:38 <tdawson> So, for Old Business, we can start with the dist-tag discussion for epel 10
20:07:42 <neil> being overheated sucks, glad you got the cool air finally Eighth_Doctor
20:07:50 <tdawson> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/epel-10-bikeshedding-dist-tag/80510
20:07:50 <Eighth_Doctor> :)
20:08:01 * gotmax skims the discussion
20:08:25 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Do you have the survey setup, or do you want met to go into the overview?
20:08:40 <carlwgeorge> close, go ahead and review the options if you like
20:09:00 <tdawson> There are three choices  Option 1, 2 and 3.
20:10:00 <tdawson> Option 1 - Each build would have the dist tag of .el10_X with X being the RHEL release it was built against. (ex: .el10_2)
20:11:02 <carlwgeorge> i have the ballot ready, but i'll wait to drop the link till you finish the overview
20:11:18 <tdawson> Option2 - All builds built against CentOS Stream (the latest RHEL) would get .el10 and any built on anything else would get a ~X (exL .el10~1)
20:11:35 * neil finally got around to commenting on the thread.. just now
20:11:39 <tdawson> I possibly didn't explain that one very good, but hopefully you get the idea.
20:11:58 <carlwgeorge> makes sense to me, the pros and cons of each are detailed in the discussion thread
20:12:55 <tdawson> Option3 - Similar to Option 2.  The leading branch would get .el10, but package built on anything else would get an _X (ex: .el10_2)
20:13:29 <tdawson> The discussion has it worded much better, but now we have it in the meeting notes.
20:13:35 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: I'll turn it over to you.
20:13:38 <carlwgeorge> any questions before we vote?
20:14:23 <carlwgeorge> i submitted the options in the same order listed here and in the thread, but i'm not 100% certain the order will be preserved so read the text carefully to make sure it's your intended choice
20:14:24 <smooge> well on option 3, if I compile first against CS10 and get a el10, then do a fix for say 10_1 and then do another against CS10 do I go back to el10
20:14:46 <Eighth_Doctor> smooge: yes
20:14:49 <carlwgeorge> yes
20:14:55 <Eighth_Doctor> option 3 is option 2 without the explicit upgrade sorting via tilde
20:14:59 <Eighth_Doctor> *tilde versioning
20:15:21 <neil> I do like that explicit sorting
20:15:26 <carlwgeorge> option 3 is also what rhel does today
20:15:32 <nirik> I like option 3 personally, but all of them would work and I don't feel super strongly
20:15:55 <Eighth_Doctor> as I've said before, I like option 2 because it automatically makes the Fedora workflow and disttag modeling match for EPEL
20:16:12 <Eighth_Doctor> that is, merging downward (Fedora) instead of merging upward (RHEL)
20:16:15 <carlwgeorge> as does option 1
20:16:40 <Eighth_Doctor> I should clarify, the reason why option 3 works for RHEL is because they build at the lowest and merge upward
20:16:57 <Eighth_Doctor> when they don't do that, it requires extra release bumps and such
20:17:17 <carlwgeorge> or more often, they only build for the leading branch and don't build for the already released branches due to the extra red tape
20:17:21 <jonathanspw> .hi
20:17:22 <zodbot> jonathanspw: jonathanspw 'Jonathan Wright' <jonathan@almalinux.org>
20:17:30 <tdawson> Hi jonathanspw
20:17:31 <neil> carlwgeorge : \
20:17:33 <Eighth_Doctor> carlwgeorge: yup that too
20:17:45 <neil> hi jonathanspw
20:17:50 <jonathanspw> sorry I'm late.  Opened the channel 10m early then got distracted.
20:18:11 <Eighth_Doctor> I proposed option 2 because I like symmetry and we have nice rpm features to make it work without pain
20:18:27 <neil> been there jonathanspw. "i'll look at this real quick..."
20:18:33 <carlwgeorge> any other questions or clarifications before we vote?
20:18:52 <tdawson> I'm ready
20:19:00 <carlwgeorge> #link https://rankedchoices.com/epel10disttags
20:19:50 <neil> q: can anyone vote? e.g., am I allowed?
20:20:12 <gotmax> Is the top choice my preferred one?
20:20:23 <carlwgeorge> our rules for voting are a bit convoluted, but i think the answer is yes
20:20:33 <neil> gotmax: yep. top down, and you can remove ones if you just don't want to vote at all for that option
20:21:01 <carlwgeorge> yeah this didn't sort them in the order i submitted them
20:21:23 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: I thought you were just being nice and putting the one you submitted on the bottom.
20:21:41 <carlwgeorge> so it's randomized, because my original suggestion is second for me
20:21:57 <dminer> If I had to guess, I'd say it probably randomizes the order
20:22:04 <dminer> ah
20:22:06 <dminer> beat me to it 🙂
20:22:13 <davide> yeah I think it randomizes
20:22:20 <carlwgeorge> if people want i can start over and put "option 1" etc in the text, or just read carefully
20:22:43 <dminer> the wording is pretty clear IMO
20:22:44 <nirik> or we can just vote here for our order?
20:22:51 <davide> yeah I think it's fine
20:22:53 <Eighth_Doctor> here I thought carl was just making mine look like the bad option at the end :P
20:22:54 <carlwgeorge> tdawson: do you agree on interpretation of the voting rules that basically anyone attending the meeting can vote?
20:23:12 <Eighth_Doctor> you're supposed to drag and drop and you can delete items you don't want considered at all
20:23:16 <Eighth_Doctor> it's actually a nice voting app
20:23:22 * Eighth_Doctor bookmarks for the future
20:23:34 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Yes
20:23:49 * dherrera bookmarks too
20:24:02 <tdawson> For this one in particular, I think it's good to get a larger view of what people want.
20:24:24 <tdawson> Just make sure you only vote once.
20:25:41 <gotmax> so it seems Eighth_Doctor's tilde suggestion won?
20:26:19 <dminer> Seems so, at least so far!
20:26:24 <Eighth_Doctor> wait, how do we see the results?
20:26:31 <davide> https://rankedchoices.com/results#epel10disttags
20:26:31 <jonathanspw> https://rankedchoices.com/results#epel10disttags
20:26:33 <dminer> https://rankedchoices.com/results#epel10disttags
20:26:38 <jonathanspw> first :)
20:26:53 <carlwgeorge> uhh, i don't think we have 17 people attending this meeting
20:27:12 <neil> it was obviously Eighth_Doctor padding his option /s
20:27:13 <gotmax> It probably wou;d
20:27:15 <gotmax> voops
20:27:16 <Eighth_Doctor> I wonder if some people clicked multiple times by accident
20:27:17 <jonathanspw> exclude the ones taht didn't put a name in?
20:27:31 <tdawson> Ya ... although I said hello to alot of people, I don't think it was that many.
20:27:36 <gotmax> but then it won't calculate the ranked choice properly
20:27:46 <neil> re-vote w/ names, i guess is one way
20:27:52 <jonathanspw> yeah
20:27:59 <jonathanspw> make name a required field if possible
20:28:01 <carlwgeorge> neil: do you know if i can reset this one or do i have to create it again
20:28:01 <davide> can you make it require names?
20:28:01 <gotmax> yeah, I think we need to do that :/
20:28:03 <Eighth_Doctor> I think I see the flaw in this app
20:28:08 <gotmax> it can be made a required field
20:28:10 <neil> i'm not 100% sure
20:28:56 <carlwgeorge> tdawson: lets put a pin in this while i recreate the poll, move on to the next topic and come back to this one
20:29:30 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Sounds good.
20:29:45 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: If there is a way to make the name non-optional, that would be good.
20:30:05 <carlwgeorge> i didn't see a setting for that but i'll look again
20:30:43 <Eighth_Doctor> voter names required is an advanced setting
20:30:48 <neil> carlwgeorge: check the box for 'Advanced settings'
20:30:49 <gotmax> :nod:
20:30:53 <Eighth_Doctor> you can also make it anonymous
20:31:03 <Eighth_Doctor> and/or make the voters hidden
20:31:11 <carlwgeorge> also it seems <major> doesn't render in the result, i'll substitute numbers
20:31:13 <gotmax> We usually don't vote anonymously in meetings
20:31:23 <neil> smells like an XSS
20:31:23 <carlwgeorge> neil: nice, thanks
20:31:29 <tdawson> So, other Old Business.  EPEL2RHEL
20:31:31 <davide> yeah i don't think this needs to be anonymous
20:31:56 <tdawson> We got our few EPEL2RHEL with the new wording.
20:32:38 <Eighth_Doctor> RHEL 9.2 and 8.8 are out, so now those are being proc'd right?
20:32:39 <tdawson> That unblocks me for two things.  1) putting in another request so we don't have 4 emails for each bug.
20:32:50 <gotmax> yeah, that would be nice :)
20:33:04 <tdawson> 2) Starting to write a script that automatically checks things.
20:33:15 <tdawson> Eighth_Doctor: Correct.
20:33:38 <gotmax> tdawson: what do you mean by "checks things"?
20:33:40 <Eighth_Doctor> I was able to add mpv to EPEL 9 because of RHEL 9.2's release :)
20:33:46 <Eighth_Doctor> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2023-c1fb825f3e
20:33:46 <gotmax> 🎉
20:34:05 <neil> 🥳
20:34:09 <tdawson> Ha ... ya, you know, that whole conversation I just had in my head = "check things" ...
20:34:59 <tdawson> "check things" = See if a package is now in RHEL, and if it is, remove it from epel, or at the very least, tell someone.
20:35:25 <gotmax> so you mean a script to mass retire everything?
20:35:48 <tdawson> gotmax: Yes, exactly.   You worded it much better than me.
20:36:38 <gotmax> You can take a look at https://git.sr.ht/~gotmax23/fedora-scripts/tree/main/item/go-sig/retire.sh and https://git.sr.ht/~gotmax23/fedora-scripts/tree/main/item/go-sig/close-rawhide-bzs.py that I used for Changes/Mass_Retire_Golang_Leaves
20:36:56 <tdawson> Ooooh ... thanks.
20:37:09 <michel> .hi
20:37:11 <zodbot> michel: michel 'None' <m.wahlheim@t-online.de>
20:37:14 <michel> Sorry I'm late
20:37:18 <michel> Argh
20:37:21 <michel> .hello salimma
20:37:22 <zodbot> michel: salimma 'Michel Alexandre Salim' <michel@michel-slm.name>
20:37:29 <tdawson> Hi michel
20:37:35 <smooge> its ok you can vote 4 times like the rest of us soon
20:37:38 <Eighth_Doctor> you didn't miss anything
20:37:49 <gotmax> The first script clones the distgit repositories and retires the packages and then calls the second one to close the Bugzillas with a helpful message
20:38:00 <michel> One person, four votes!
20:38:36 <yselkowitz[m]> "vote early, vote often" :-)
20:38:42 <carlwgeorge> lol
20:38:46 <tdawson> gotmax: Cool  ... that will help trememdously.
20:39:03 <carlwgeorge> tdawson: i'm ready when you're done with whatever topic we're in
20:39:17 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: sounds good.  I said all I needed to say.
20:39:27 <carlwgeorge> names are now required and the choices say "option X" to correspond with the descriptions in the thread
20:39:27 <gotmax> You'd want to change it to clone the correct branch (i.e. not rawhide), close the Bugzillas for the correct Product and Version, and change the message to something about how users should refile any bugs with RHEL
20:39:38 <carlwgeorge> also i got rid of the < and > characters that were tripping things up
20:40:11 <smooge> what is the link?
20:40:16 <carlwgeorge> #link https://rankedchoices.com/epel10disttag
20:41:02 <Eighth_Doctor> oh neat, secretness
20:41:29 <Eighth_Doctor> hopefully I voted properly :)
20:41:47 <Eighth_Doctor> the ballots won't be released until 5:30pm :o
20:42:00 <davide> "The ballot you selected will not have the results released until May 17th 2023, 2:30 pm America/Los_Angeles Time"
20:42:09 <tdawson> No ... it says 2:30 pm
20:42:20 <tdawson> :)
20:42:23 <Eighth_Doctor> "The ballot you selected will not have the results released until May 17th 2023, 5:30 pm America/New_York Time"
20:42:28 <dherrera> it corrects for your timezone
20:42:34 <carlwgeorge> oh one of the advanced options was to set a cut off time, i wasn't trying to delay the results
20:42:37 <Eighth_Doctor> it's very smart
20:42:51 <tdawson> Well sure ... if you want to live in New York. :)
20:43:09 <michel> or Florida ;)
20:43:16 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Can you at least see the results?
20:43:19 <Eighth_Doctor> or North Carolina :)
20:44:04 <michel> no, the results are also hidden
20:44:13 <michel> oh I guess the question is if that setting can be changed
20:44:40 <carlwgeorge> yes
20:44:49 <carlwgeorge> let me see if i can adjust the results visibility
20:45:02 * gotmax hopes he voted on the new one instead of the old one twice
20:45:25 * carlwgeorge sees gotmax in the results
20:46:20 <carlwgeorge> hmm, no way to change settings now it seems.  i guess setting a cut off time was a mistake.
20:46:38 <Eighth_Doctor> well, I guess we'll find out next week 🤪
20:46:44 <tdawson> Yep :)
20:46:59 <tdawson> I don't know why, but it's sort of fun not knowing the results.
20:46:59 <michel> we find out in less than an hour, actually
20:47:09 * Eighth_Doctor hopes his proposal wins
20:47:10 <michel> yeah, makes it feel like a real electino
20:47:15 <yselkowitz[m]> is there any reason why voting can't here like any other normal proposal?
20:47:19 <Eighth_Doctor> should I be campaigning?
20:47:38 * neil hands out stickers
20:47:40 <carlwgeorge> wait, i found it
20:47:50 <michel> I guess most proposals are yes/no while here there are multiple options
20:47:56 <tdawson> yselkowitz[m]: Because having three choices makes it complicated.
20:48:04 <Eighth_Doctor> yselkowitz: we couldn't agree enough last time that we resorted to this
20:48:04 <michel> and... we either do approval voting or ranked choice, both are a pain to do by hand
20:48:19 <davide> ah the time changed!
20:48:26 <davide> The ballot you selected will not have the results released until May 17th 2023, 1:50 pm America/Los_Angeles Time
20:48:38 <Eighth_Doctor> yup!
20:48:39 <Eighth_Doctor> I see 4:50pm now
20:48:44 <davide> two minutes! are we doing exit polls?
20:48:47 <jonathanspw> so 2 mins?
20:48:59 <Eighth_Doctor> the other one was our exit polls
20:49:05 <Eighth_Doctor> if we go by that, I'm winning :P
20:49:10 <carlwgeorge> i just stripped off the cutoff, it weirdly kept logging me out
20:49:31 <carlwgeorge> > option 1: .el10_MINOR in all branches has exceeded the quota and is elected.
20:49:41 <carlwgeorge> #link https://rankedchoices.com/results#epel10disttag
20:49:46 <Eighth_Doctor> aww
20:49:56 <Eighth_Doctor> I didn't campaign hard enough
20:50:03 <Eighth_Doctor> lost by two votes
20:50:05 <carlwgeorge> 13 voters sounds more realistic
20:50:29 <Eighth_Doctor> smooge changed his vote too :P
20:50:32 <jonathanspw> and with names we know who to tar and feather for voting wrong
20:50:36 <jonathanspw> :D
20:50:38 <michel> woah, the results are not secret
20:50:44 * Eighth_Doctor shrugs
20:50:49 <michel> the names I mean
20:50:50 <Eighth_Doctor> well I tried for symmetry
20:50:54 <davide> it's a technical poll, it doesn't need to be anonymous
20:50:55 <nirik> we are all winners!
20:51:01 <carlwgeorge> lol
20:51:09 <Eighth_Doctor> I feel... defeated
20:51:27 <Eighth_Doctor> mucho saddo
20:51:42 * Eighth_Doctor blinks
20:51:44 <Eighth_Doctor> meh
20:51:50 <tdawson> I was ok with either 1 or 2, but I prefered option 2.
20:51:54 <davide> oh well, at least the bikeshedding is over
20:51:54 <Eighth_Doctor> it'll be one of those little annoyances in life
20:52:05 <michel> I just realized my second choice is actually the one that is most like Fedora, so I'm glad that's the one that won
20:52:07 <Eighth_Doctor> I'll try again for EPEL 11
20:52:08 <tdawson> Eighth_Doctor: You might find that you like it in the end.
20:52:12 <tdawson> :)
20:52:14 <davide> tbh these are all fine in practice
20:52:24 <Eighth_Doctor> tdawson: I already don't like it in RHEL
20:52:30 <michel> yeah, time to stop bikeshedding
20:52:34 <Eighth_Doctor> Davide Cavalca: option 3 would be a problem, the other two technically work
20:52:38 <carlwgeorge> davide: agreed, they were all acceptable enough
20:52:52 <Eighth_Doctor> meh
20:52:59 <Eighth_Doctor> we're done, and it'll get rolled out for EPEL 10
20:53:05 <Eighth_Doctor> we'll see how it goes
20:53:18 <carlwgeorge> #info EPEL 10 dist tags voted to be .el10_MINOR in all branches
20:53:54 <tdawson> Ya ... that part of epel 10 is decided.
20:54:03 <neil> Eighth_Doctor: for EPEL 11 maybe  we can do emoji
20:54:09 <Eighth_Doctor> oh god no
20:54:11 <tdawson> OK, time is close, moving to Open Floor.
20:54:12 <neil> :D
20:54:17 <Eighth_Doctor> I don't want to think about sorting emoji
20:54:21 <tdawson> #topic General Issues / Open Floor
20:54:23 <carlwgeorge> i'm still hoping for more feedback on the other bikeshedding thread
20:54:38 <neil> easy, you just sort them by their code point in hex
20:54:41 <gotmax23> #chair gotmax
20:54:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: carlwgeorge dcavalca dherrera gotmax gotmax23 nirik pgreco salimma smooge tdawson
20:54:47 <tdawson> carlwgeorge: Ya, I don't think I've contributed enough to the other one, it's more complicated.
20:54:57 <neil> have a link handy?
20:55:03 <carlwgeorge> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/epel-10-bikeshedding-pointing-users-at-the-right-repo/80551
20:55:28 <gotmax> Hmm, I was going to #info my Ansible announcement, but now I don't see it
20:55:30 <carlwgeorge> tldr, if dnf upstream will give us a releasever_minor variable we can do some neat stuff
20:55:59 <carlwgeorge> we can also hack it up with file triggers, but i'm skeptical of that approach
20:56:21 <carlwgeorge> s/dnf/dnf5/
20:56:30 <tdawson> Oh ... I haven't made an epelrelease variable yet ... for a prototype.
20:56:42 <gotmax> Can someone ack my `Ansible in EPEL 8` epel-announce post before the meeting ends :)?
20:57:00 <davide> can someone poke the dnf team and get a sense of whether https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1789346 is likely to happen or not?
20:57:07 <davide> that will inform what to do here
20:57:26 <tdawson> gotmax: I thought I did ... looking again.
20:57:37 <Eighth_Doctor> Davide Cavalca: I'll poke them
20:57:44 <carlwgeorge> i poked it back in october, someone else should poke it next so the interest looks higher
20:57:56 <davide> thanks
20:58:01 <gotmax> How about changing the component to dnf5?
20:58:16 <davide> we can also bring this up in Brno in person for maximum poking
20:58:28 <carlwgeorge> both are good ideas
20:59:05 <tdawson> gotmax: your Ansible in EPEL 8 isn't in the epel-announce hold queu
20:59:19 <nirik> I thought I acked it eariler?
20:59:48 <nirik> except... yeah, I don't see it. weird.
20:59:54 <gotmax> I don't see the EPEL 8 one in https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/2023/5/
21:00:24 <tdawson> gotmax: Maybe resend it.
21:00:26 <carlwgeorge> fwiw this bug was filed before dnf5 was announced, so the component was correct originally
21:00:41 <gotmax> right
21:00:58 <tdawson> Thank you all for comming.  It was nice having such a large crowd today.  Thank you for the good discussions, and for all the work ya'll do for EPEL and it's community.
21:01:10 <tdawson> Talk to ya'll next week.
21:01:18 <tdawson> #endmeeting