2024-03-20 18:00:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2024-03-20)
2024-03-20 18:00:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-03-20 18:00:50 UTC
2024-03-20 18:00:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2024-03-20)'
2024-03-20 18:00:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2024-03-20 18:01:00 <@pgreco:fedora.im> !hi
2024-03-20 18:01:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Pablo Sebastian Greco (pgreco)
2024-03-20 18:01:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2024-03-20 18:01:08 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !howdy
2024-03-20 18:01:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Pablo Greco 
2024-03-20 18:01:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-03-20 18:01:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-03-20 18:01:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Howdy Carl George 
2024-03-20 18:01:21 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> boo, howdy isn't an alias for hi
2024-03-20 18:01:23 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2024-03-20 18:01:24 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !hi
2024-03-20 18:01:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2024-03-20 18:01:25 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2024-03-20 18:01:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2024-03-20 18:01:27 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2024-03-20 18:01:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you can add it :P
2024-03-20 18:02:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo  Davide Cavalca and Diego Herrera 
2024-03-20 18:03:07 <@pgreco:fedora.im> are you allowed to be Texan and not say howdy?
2024-03-20 18:03:09 <@smooge:fedora.im> hi
2024-03-20 18:03:51 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> can't argue with that logic
2024-03-20 18:06:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic End Of Life (EOL)
2024-03-20 18:06:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> RHEL 7 / epel-7 will go EOL on 2024-06-30
https://endoflife.date/rhel
CentOS Stream 8 / epel-8-next goes EOL in 2024-05-31
CentOS Stream 9 / epel-9-next goes EOL in 2027-05-31
https://endoflife.date/centos-stream

2024-03-20 18:06:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Pretty much ... two months.
2024-03-20 18:06:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morningish
2024-03-20 18:06:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 
2024-03-20 18:07:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
2024-03-20 18:07:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2024-03-20 18:08:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh look, an issue appeared them within the last two minutes.
2024-03-20 18:08:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/epel/issue/268
2024-03-20 18:09:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm sorry it's taken me all week to create this ticket.
2024-03-20 18:09:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I don't really expect us to talk about it too much, since it litterally just got put up.  
2024-03-20 18:10:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But we did talk about it last week, in correlation with the other issue - https://pagure.io/epel/issue/267
2024-03-20 18:11:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2024-03-20 18:11:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2024-03-20 18:11:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michel Lind🎩 - 😷🤧 
2024-03-20 18:11:21 <@jrichardson:matrix.org> !hi
2024-03-20 18:11:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> James Richardson (jrichardson)
2024-03-20 18:11:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> You look a little sick there.
2024-03-20 18:11:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi James Richardson 
2024-03-20 18:11:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> Going to mostly lurk, recovering from a nasty viral infection
2024-03-20 18:12:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone want/need to talk about these two issues, or are we still waiting for a pull request so we can discuss that?
2024-03-20 18:12:28 <@jrichardson:matrix.org> nothing here
2024-03-20 18:12:51 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2024-03-20 18:12:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-03-20 18:13:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon 
2024-03-20 18:13:41 <@dherrera:fedora.im> Let's wait for the PR
2024-03-20 18:13:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And Neil Hanlon, I apologize for taking so long to create the other ticket.  It's been a busy week, starting with immeiately after this meeting last week.
2024-03-20 18:14:02 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> No worries at all. Thanks!
2024-03-20 18:14:19 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> it's a busy time :) 
2024-03-20 18:14:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, then I am going to move on ...
2024-03-20 18:14:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business
2024-03-20 18:15:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have any Old Business they want to bring up?
2024-03-20 18:15:46 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> not I
2024-03-20 18:16:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I love how everyone litterally stopped talking when I asked that.
2024-03-20 18:16:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But I guess everyone is agreeing with Neil Hanlon 
2024-03-20 18:16:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2024-03-20 18:16:46 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i've got a thing for open floor
2024-03-20 18:16:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl George: Go for it
2024-03-20 18:17:20 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> first a general heads up that the flock cfp is open https://cfp.fedoraproject.org/flock-2024/cfp
2024-03-20 18:17:45 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> and then expanding from there, i'm thinking of doing something epel10 there, and wanted to run it by this group
2024-03-20 18:18:35 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i've presented on the plan for epel10 several times, and 1) i'm getting tired of just talking about it and 2) by that time we should have significant portions of the implementation done
2024-03-20 18:19:10 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> so my choice is to either do a presentation, perhaps from the angle of a status update, or alternative do an epel10 hackfest
2024-03-20 18:19:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> why not both?
2024-03-20 18:19:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think a status update makes sense at Flock
2024-03-20 18:19:46 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> both of those have long or short options in the cfp, 25m/50m for a presentation, or 4h/8h for a hackfest
2024-03-20 18:19:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and we should absolutely do a hackfest to populate epel10
2024-03-20 18:19:58 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> agree
2024-03-20 18:20:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Although I like the idea of a HackFest, my concern is how far along we will be.  At that point, I'm thinking we'll still be in stage.
2024-03-20 18:20:08 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> in the same vein, ATO's CFP closes Friday. https://allthingsopen.org/call-for-papers/  and devconf.us https://pretalx.com/devconf-us-2024/cfp (which is immediately after FLOCK)
2024-03-20 18:20:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I would hope that by August most of the content filtering should be done
2024-03-20 18:20:27 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> yeah i'm worried a "populate epel10 hackfest" might still be a bit premature at that point in time
2024-03-20 18:20:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> judging by last time, most of the content selection is usually locked in by the late summer
2024-03-20 18:21:04 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> reminder that i'd like to target roughly nov/dec for an epel10 announcement, around the same time as a c10 announcement
2024-03-20 18:21:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and I'd hope we'd have signed composes long before August :/
2024-03-20 18:21:46 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> it would kinda feel weird to have a hackfest of adding packages before we announce
2024-03-20 18:21:57 <@davide:cavalca.name> I wouldn't mind prepopulating it
2024-03-20 18:22:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, prepopulation makes for a splashier announcement
2024-03-20 18:22:11 <@davide:cavalca.name> we can also frame this as "getting epel10 ready" if you don't want to overplay our hand
2024-03-20 18:22:13 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i was thinking more around infra pieces, i.e. being able to monopolize nirik's time for a few hours 😛
2024-03-20 18:22:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I wouldn't mind pre-populatng stage ... but I would really really hate to pre-populate regular epel10 and then have an updated gcc or jdk come out.
2024-03-20 18:22:50 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> that's a good angle, hedge our bets, and if things are far enough along by that point switch from infra focus to adding packages focus
2024-03-20 18:23:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, most people interested in epel10 before announcement would already know how to build their stuff no?
2024-03-20 18:23:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes, but getting the dedicated cycles to do it with everyone on hand would be nice :)
2024-03-20 18:23:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I know that among Troy Dawson, myself, and Davide Cavalca, we probably have ~1k packages to add
2024-03-20 18:24:07 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> >and my axe!
2024-03-20 18:24:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and likely this will be the point that Hyperscale 10 can be wired up too :P
2024-03-20 18:24:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and Alt Images 10 :D
2024-03-20 18:25:40 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i can tease "possibly adding early epel10 packages" in the description, and then if we aren't far enough along have that get out of jail free card
2024-03-20 18:25:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2024-03-20 18:26:14 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> so folks like the hackfest idea, so 4 or 8 hours?  i'm leaning toward 8 being excessive and would cause folks to miss too much other content.
2024-03-20 18:26:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya ... if it was 8 hours, I'd be in and out.
2024-03-20 18:26:49 <@jrichardson:matrix.org> 4 sounds about right
2024-03-20 18:26:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> probably likewise, knowing me
2024-03-20 18:26:58 <@davide:cavalca.name> are hackfest on a dedicated day or during regular sessions?
2024-03-20 18:27:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that might still happen even with 4 hours, tbh 😅
2024-03-20 18:27:08 <@davide:cavalca.name> but either way, +1 on doing 4h
2024-03-20 18:27:30 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> no idea on the scheduling, these are just the options in the cfp
2024-03-20 18:27:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> True ... even with 4 hours, it depends on what else is happening at that time.
2024-03-20 18:27:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> hopefully I won't be doing at least 1-2 sessions every day at Flock like last year
2024-03-20 18:27:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> I have hundreds of Rust and Golang packages ... and Python
2024-03-20 18:27:47 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> if it's 8 hours i'm bringing beers.
2024-03-20 18:28:03 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> (I'm bringing beers anyways let's be honest)
2024-03-20 18:28:28 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> hopefully the organizers can work out a scheduling that makes sense, perhaps all the hackfests being at the same time
2024-03-20 18:28:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> historically Flock has a dedicated hackfest day
2024-03-20 18:28:52 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i.e. choose a single hackfest or hop between, rather than missing multiple presentations to be in one hackfest
2024-03-20 18:29:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't know if we're going to this time, because we have the mentor summit at the end now
2024-03-20 18:30:24 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i'm happy to submit both a hackfest and status update session.  iirc the overview of the plan talk at connect went like 40 minutes, so i would lean towards a 50 over 25 minute session.
2024-03-20 18:31:17 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> and if they schedule the presentation first, i can use it as a call to action to attend the hackfest
2024-03-20 18:31:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm going to do my usual State of Fedora, but if we leave the epel10 stuff out, I'll just be 25 minutes.
2024-03-20 18:31:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you mean State of EPEL
2024-03-20 18:31:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> don't steal Matthew's talk :P
2024-03-20 18:32:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm going to do my usual State of EPEL, but if we leave the epel10 stuff out, I'll just be 25 minutes.
2024-03-20 18:32:07 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> nah. i wanna see a Freaky Friday Flock
2024-03-20 18:32:25 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> hmm, maybe it would work better to just work in the epel10 status update into the state of epel talk
2024-03-20 18:32:31 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i think i might prefer that
2024-03-20 18:32:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that might be easier anyway
2024-03-20 18:33:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It does make it easier for them to schedule it.
2024-03-20 18:33:35 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> alright i've taken enough time on this topic, Troy Dawson please submit state of epel as 50m so we can include epel10 things and i'll submit the 4h epel10 hackfest
2024-03-20 18:33:49 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> thanks for helping me work through these details folks
2024-03-20 18:34:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Can we get someone who has access to update the main Flock web page so that it points to the CFP.  Right now it just has that they are comming?
2024-03-20 18:35:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> That's Justin W. Flory (he/him)'s job I think :)
2024-03-20 18:35:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there anything else for Open Floor?
2024-03-20 18:35:38 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> also relevant if people want to share something on social media
2024-03-20 18:35:41 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/flock-2024-cfp-until-april-21st/
2024-03-20 18:37:09 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> Troy Dawson: how are we doing on getting epel steering committee seats into the next fedora election cycle?
2024-03-20 18:37:31 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i had a quick thing. someone in #epel in IRC a few weeks ago was looking for help with a package they wanted to bring to EPEL. I worked on it a bit with them and was going to submit it for Fedora and subsequently EPEL. Would appreciate comments as I did my best to grok the packaging guidelines on it. https://git.shrug.pw/rpms/mod_mapcache 
2024-03-20 18:38:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I have talked to Eofa about getting things into voting.  She's doing what she can/should ... but I don't think it would be a bad idea to ping her about it.
2024-03-20 18:38:29 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> you still on that or do you need assistance?
2024-03-20 18:38:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl George: Were you talking to me or Neil ?
2024-03-20 18:38:55 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> fire that sucker off for review and see what happens https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/package-maintainers/New_Package_Process_for_Existing_Contributors/
2024-03-20 18:40:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> If you were talking to me, I'll go ahead an ping Eofa.  See where we are at.
2024-03-20 18:40:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Eofa?
2024-03-20 18:40:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon: Thank you for working with them on that package.
2024-03-20 18:40:32 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> aoife
2024-03-20 18:40:51 <@smooge:fedora.im> sorry had to step away.. did we talk about the modularity problem with python ticket?
2024-03-20 18:40:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ugg ... sorry ... I tried to spell her name as it's pronouced.
2024-03-20 18:41:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Stephen J Smoogen: Nope.  But I think we have time if you want to talk about it.
2024-03-20 18:41:53 <@smooge:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11947 was the ticket. and I just realized it was in releng versus epel
2024-03-20 18:42:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ahh, so Aoife Moloney:
2024-03-20 18:42:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ahh, so Aoife Moloney
2024-03-20 18:42:34 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Glory be to fbrnch 
2024-03-20 18:43:18 <@smooge:fedora.im> basically various packages can't be built in EL8 currently and I expect it is grobisplitter but no idea on who/how could fix
2024-03-20 18:43:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is it epel8?  or epel8-next?
2024-03-20 18:43:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Because one, we need to be concerned, for the other ... we just need to wait two months.
2024-03-20 18:43:56 <@smooge:fedora.im> epel8-nexrt I think
2024-03-20 18:44:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry ... did I say that out loud.
2024-03-20 18:44:15 <@smooge:fedora.im> its been open for a couple of months so .. OHHHH
2024-03-20 18:44:47 <@smooge:fedora.im> well could someone let Miro know that its a 'wont fix' issue
2024-03-20 18:46:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Before I (or someone) says that, do we think it's grobisplitter?  Or do we think CentOS Stream 8 got it's modules messed up?  
2024-03-20 18:46:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Or both?
2024-03-20 18:46:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I keep meaning to look at this, but it's really far down on my priotiry list.
2024-03-20 18:47:03 <@smooge:fedora.im> I don't know really. I usually blame grobisplitter because it was my responsibility
2024-03-20 18:48:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Part of me really wants to look and see if it's CS8's problem.  But then I look at my current workload and know I won't get to it for at least two weeks.
2024-03-20 18:49:40 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> yet again my old fasid without my middle initial prevented me from knowing about this ticket
2024-03-20 18:50:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ahh ... there it is, it's in python39-devel module on PowerTools, which is NOT a default module.
2024-03-20 18:50:49 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> but i imagine we probably want to include it in the grobisplit because it's parallel installable, right?  i think we did the same with other python devel modules.
2024-03-20 18:52:37 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> even with the impending c8s eol, we should work this out, because lord know people run eol shit wayyyyy longer than they should
2024-03-20 18:53:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> Python39-devel is enabled on koji though right?
2024-03-20 18:53:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> I've generally built fine against it, just have to edit my mock config for local tests
2024-03-20 18:53:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... I believe you are right.  Because on regular epel8, it also is in python39-devel on CRB, and NOT default.
2024-03-20 18:54:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we think it's a syncing problem?  Maybe the modules aren't getting synced correctly?
2024-03-20 18:55:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry, I meant to say RHEL8 it's in CRB, which feeds into epel8
2024-03-20 18:56:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Looking at the time, I don't think we'll be able to figure this out before our time is up.
2024-03-20 18:57:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have anything really quick before we close the meeting?
2024-03-20 18:58:24 <@pgreco:fedora.im> going once...
2024-03-20 18:58:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> going twice ...
2024-03-20 18:58:55 <@pgreco:fedora.im> sold, with 1 minute to spare
2024-03-20 18:59:02 <@pgreco:fedora.im> have a nice week guys!
2024-03-20 18:59:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming and for the good discussions today.  And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's community.
2024-03-20 18:59:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to you next week, if not sooner.
2024-03-20 18:59:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting