#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:50

!startmeeting EPEL (2024-03-27)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:51

Meeting started at 2024-03-27 18:00:50 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:51

The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2024-03-27)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:59

!meetingname epel

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:05

!topic aloha

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:01:14

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:16

Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:22

Hi Carl George

<@apiaseck:matrix.org>

18:01:51

Sorry for extending our meeting folks. I hope we didn't cut into your schedule too much.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:02:05

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:02:06

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:09

apiaseck: Not at all. You ended right on time.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:02:12

morning

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:15

Hi Neil Hanlon

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:02:19

Stephen J Smoogen we over here :)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:23

Morning nirik

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:02:39

heya Troy, nirik :)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:03:16

I've changed the fedora calendar at least three times ... and it keeps resetting it back to the other place in the email. I'm thinking I'm changing the wrong place.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:04:10

Is this https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10775/ not the correct place to change the agenda?

<@pgreco:fedora.im>

18:05:11

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:05:13

Pablo Sebastian Greco (pgreco)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:25

Oh well, we are getting to the right channel,

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:29

Hi Pablo Greco

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:37

!topic End Of Life (EOL)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:45

RHEL 7 / epel-7 will go EOL on 2024-06-30 https://endoflife.date/rhel CentOS Stream 8 / epel-8-next goes EOL in 2024-05-31 CentOS Stream 9 / epel-9-next goes EOL in 2027-05-31 https://endoflife.date/centos-stream

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:05:53

oh wait i was in the wrong channel

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:05:57

tick tock

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:05

Hi Stephen J Smoogen

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:35

Ya, the email has the wrong channel ... still ... despite me thinking I've changed it.

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:06:43

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:06:44

Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:48

Hi Diego Herrera

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:07:00

Two months and counting.

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:07:11

95 days until EL7 I think

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:07:15

Eight more committee meting.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:07:57

!topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:08:03

https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:08:21

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:08:22

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:08:26

Hi Robby Callicotte

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:08:43

We have one new item for the meeting

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:09:00

https://pagure.io/epel/issue/269

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:09:55

We still have a month before these questions are due, so we don't have to decide on them right now.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:14

I mainly marked it with "meeting" so ya'll would know that is coming up.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:11:15

are the irc/matrix questions necessary? that information should be in fas, which i imagine will be linked in the election.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:11:50

None of the questions I have in there are "necessary" ... I just pulled them from the other questions, and EPELized them.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:12:38

So if you think some of them can be removed, or have different one's ... feel free to comment on the issue.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:12:53

We will need to have them by April 24th.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:13:25

Any other questions before I move on?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:13:59

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:14:00

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:14:02

I have "Elections" in the "Old Business" topic, so if you have questions about the elections in general, we'll talk about them then.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:14:06

Hi Michel Lind🎩 - 😷🤧

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:14:17

Sorry I'm late. Followed up covid with stomach troubles

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:14:35

That answers the question I had. Sorry to hear it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:14:47

Moving on

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:15:22

Neil Hanlon: I didn't finish my page revision / pull request. When I do, I'll re-tag your issues.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:15:56

!topic Old Business

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:16:46

As I said earlier, I wanted to bring up Elections in Old Business.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:17:38

I talked with Aoife, and we're still set to do the elections during Fedora's elections.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:18:02

The elections page isn't updated yet ... maybe ... so here are the dates.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:18:13

- Timeline: -- Selection of questions from Questionnaire Wed 2024-04-24 Wed 2024-05-08 14 --- Selection of questions from Questionnaire - start Wed 2024-04-24 Wed 2024-04-24 0 --- Selection of questions from Questionnaire - end Wed 2024-05-08 Wed 2024-05-08 0 -- Nomination period Wed 2024-04-24 Wed 2024-05-08 14 --- Nomination period - start Wed 2024-04-24 Wed 2024-04-24 0 --- Nomination period - end Wed 2024-05-08 Wed 2024-05-08 0 -- Interviews Wed 2024-05-08 Wed 2024-05-15 7 --- Interviews - start Wed 2024-05-08 Wed 2024-05-08 0 --- Interviews - end (@ 23:59:59 UTC) Wed 2024-05-15 Wed 2024-05-15 0 -- Voting Setup & Validation & Publishing of interviews Thu 2024-05-16 Thu 2024-05-16 0 -- Voting period Fri 2024-05-17 Thu 2024-05-30 13 --- Voting period starts (@ 00:00:00 UTC) Fri 2024-05-17 Fri 2024-05-17 0 --- Voting period ends (@ 23:59:59 UTC) Thu 2024-05-30 Thu 2024-05-30 0 -- Result Announcement Fri 2024-05-31 Fri 2024-05-31 0

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:18:44

Sorry for the large amount of text.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:19:38

So, we have a month before the Nominations start. It would be good to start thinking about it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:20:12

In particular, those who are already on the committee, think about if you want to run for this year, or next year.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:20:42

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:20:44

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:21:29

As a reminder, committee seats will be a two year thing. And we'll be voting for about half each time (4 one year, 3 the next0

<@pgreco:fedora.im>

18:21:37

I think I've already mentioned this, but I'm offering my position for the first round of elections

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:21:43

Hi Conan Kudo

<@pgreco:fedora.im>

18:22:01

I'll always be around, but I haven't been doing much lately and I feel like someone new could help more

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:51

Pablo Greco: Yep, I think you mentioned it. I/We are all grateful for what you do and have done>

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:23:08

!cookie give Pablo Greco

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:23:09

**Usage:** !cookie give <username>

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:23:14

aw.. oh hey you get to be an emeritus member like smooge

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:23:18

!cookie give pgreco

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:23:19

neil gave a cookie to pgreco. They now have 9 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 39 release cycle

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:23:20

salimma has already given cookies to pgreco during the F39 timeframe

<@pgreco:fedora.im>

18:23:40

emeritus makes me feel distinguished, I like that ;)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:24:44

I'm planning on running during this first election. Not that I want off the committee, but we need half to run this year, so I might as well do it now.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:25:05

I feel the same

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:25:58

I'm going to send out an email ... and maybe a post on the ... thing we post to... this week.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:26:36

how many do we want to put up to the vote this cycle?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:26:41

and how many more do we need to volunteer

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:27:16

Michel Lind🎩 - 😷🤧: It can be three or four, cuz it's the first election. Sounds like we already have three.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:28:12

ah. I might sit out since I'm trying to run for FESCo again this cycle

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:28:24

this sorts it out then. running for two at once might be ... confusing to people

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:28:37

Sounds good.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:28:57

Any other questions about elections before I move on?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:29:45

Is there any other Old Business that people want to bring up?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:30:26

!topic General Issues / Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:30:34

Does anyone have anything for Open Floor?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:31:07

I had 2 small items. ;)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:31:26

Go for it.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:32:32

oh wait, just one...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:33:24

I think the items are so small one of them evaporated.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:33:38

sorry, trying to find the ticket and have about 19,000 windows open

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:34:06

https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11947

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:34:14

pkill xterm

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:34:17

I mentioned this before... but the plot thickened.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:34:34

so, if anyone has thoughts on it, please do chime in on ticket. The hack seems unviable.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:35:02

Hey, you said this was a small thing

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:35:15

classic 80/20 strikes again

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:36:15

a small thing with a long tail of doom.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:36:48

oh dear... thats a dragon's tail of doom

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:37:10

Well, I'm betting I know why the numbers changed. The first batch of CentOS Stream 8 modules were build on on MBS, and the newer ones were built on a different one.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:37:11

oh god

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:37:41

numbers, what do they even mean?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:38:22

Obvious not much to Module land.

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:38:38

@ppisar is correct that the 'fix' will break RHEL

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:39:18

the hack we put in was to deal with the fact that the numbering changed half-way through the 8.0 lifetime

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:39:24

I think waiting for Stream to remove all the old CS8 modules is the best/easiest plan.

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:39:50

well I can think of a fix

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:40:20

its not a pretty one.. but if we manually edit down the repos on batcave to the working ones

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:40:31

renew module, really fast? (ie, r m - r f )

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:40:42

smoo

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:40:49

Stephen J Smoogen: won't it just resync them

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:41:09

like my real memory real fast command

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:41:44

so CS is different from the CDN and should only have the latest items on it.. but some filtering on rsync may also 'help'

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:42:17

basically lock to this module in the rsync :)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:42:36

I didn't think old modules were ever removed... we had problems with that before.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:42:47

you mean `sudo swapoff -a` ?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:42:57

For rpm's, CS has the last 5 versions, unless one of them was bad. But for modules ... it's so messy that they've been hanging around.

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:43:01

oh yes.. you are correct.. modules can't be removed

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:43:14

sorry I really shuffled that memory down

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:43:49

and my 'rm -rf' isnt going to work because in order to parse modules you need them all around

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:44:23

don't do it!

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:45:25

OK new solution. We EOL CS8 now

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:45:47

All in favor?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:45:55

+100

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:46:03

Wait wait ... sorry ... I meant No ... we can't do that.

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:46:10

because if I am starting to read the metadata of the schema to figure out a better 'this is the latest' I am going to cry

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:46:12

darn

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:47:16

+1000000

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:47:55

We're starting to get towards the end of the meeting ... does anyone have any other Open Floor stuff while Smooge get's off his Modularity high ?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:47:56

have we tried ignoring the problem to see if it goes away?

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:48:02

ok so I think the solution for this is going to be to figure out how dnf actually figures this out and copying that into grobisplitter

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:49:30

I would think that would be possible using some of the dnf libraries ... but I'm not positive about that.

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:49:34

II am summarizing this in the ticket

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:50:05

Neil Hanlon: this is mostly my plan. ;)

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:50:45

burn it down

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:50:51

😈

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:52:15

Any other items for Open Floor?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:53:46

I'm not saying I want us to give up on that, cuz I appreciate smooge taking the hit and diving into it. But our time is running down.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:54:44

Then I'm going to call it a meeting and close 5 minutes early.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:55:13

Thank you all for coming. Thank you for the good discussions. And especially thank you for all you do for EPEL and it's community.

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:55:16

close it.. I got nothing more than pain and frustration

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:55:33

Sounds good.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:55:45

Talk to ya'll next week, if not sooner.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:55:57

!endmeeting