2024-03-27 18:00:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2024-03-27) 2024-03-27 18:00:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-03-27 18:00:50 UTC 2024-03-27 18:00:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2024-03-27)' 2024-03-27 18:00:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel 2024-03-27 18:01:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha 2024-03-27 18:01:14 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !hi 2024-03-27 18:01:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his 2024-03-27 18:01:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Carl George 2024-03-27 18:01:51 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> Sorry for extending our meeting folks. I hope we didn't cut into your schedule too much. 2024-03-27 18:02:05 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi 2024-03-27 18:02:06 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his 2024-03-27 18:02:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> apiaseck: Not at all. You ended right on time. 2024-03-27 18:02:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning 2024-03-27 18:02:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon 2024-03-27 18:02:19 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Stephen J Smoogen we over here :) 2024-03-27 18:02:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 2024-03-27 18:02:39 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> heya Troy, nirik :) 2024-03-27 18:03:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've changed the fedora calendar at least three times ... and it keeps resetting it back to the other place in the email. I'm thinking I'm changing the wrong place. 2024-03-27 18:04:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is this https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10775/ not the correct place to change the agenda? 2024-03-27 18:05:11 <@pgreco:fedora.im> !hi 2024-03-27 18:05:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Pablo Sebastian Greco (pgreco) 2024-03-27 18:05:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh well, we are getting to the right channel, 2024-03-27 18:05:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Pablo Greco 2024-03-27 18:05:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic End Of Life (EOL) 2024-03-27 18:05:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> RHEL 7 / epel-7 will go EOL on 2024-06-30 https://endoflife.date/rhel CentOS Stream 8 / epel-8-next goes EOL in 2024-05-31 CentOS Stream 9 / epel-9-next goes EOL in 2027-05-31 https://endoflife.date/centos-stream 2024-03-27 18:05:53 <@smooge:fedora.im> oh wait i was in the wrong channel 2024-03-27 18:05:57 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> tick tock 2024-03-27 18:06:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Stephen J Smoogen 2024-03-27 18:06:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya, the email has the wrong channel ... still ... despite me thinking I've changed it. 2024-03-27 18:06:43 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi 2024-03-27 18:06:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his 2024-03-27 18:06:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Diego Herrera 2024-03-27 18:07:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Two months and counting. 2024-03-27 18:07:11 <@smooge:fedora.im> 95 days until EL7 I think 2024-03-27 18:07:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Eight more committee meting. 2024-03-27 18:07:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues 2024-03-27 18:08:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open 2024-03-27 18:08:21 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi 2024-03-27 18:08:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his 2024-03-27 18:08:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte 2024-03-27 18:08:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We have one new item for the meeting 2024-03-27 18:09:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/epel/issue/269 2024-03-27 18:09:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We still have a month before these questions are due, so we don't have to decide on them right now. 2024-03-27 18:10:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I mainly marked it with "meeting" so ya'll would know that is coming up. 2024-03-27 18:11:15 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> are the irc/matrix questions necessary? that information should be in fas, which i imagine will be linked in the election. 2024-03-27 18:11:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> None of the questions I have in there are "necessary" ... I just pulled them from the other questions, and EPELized them. 2024-03-27 18:12:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So if you think some of them can be removed, or have different one's ... feel free to comment on the issue. 2024-03-27 18:12:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We will need to have them by April 24th. 2024-03-27 18:13:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Any other questions before I move on? 2024-03-27 18:13:59 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi 2024-03-27 18:14:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his 2024-03-27 18:14:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I have "Elections" in the "Old Business" topic, so if you have questions about the elections in general, we'll talk about them then. 2024-03-27 18:14:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michel Lind🎩 - 😷🤧 2024-03-27 18:14:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> Sorry I'm late. Followed up covid with stomach troubles 2024-03-27 18:14:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That answers the question I had. Sorry to hear it. 2024-03-27 18:14:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Moving on 2024-03-27 18:15:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon: I didn't finish my page revision / pull request. When I do, I'll re-tag your issues. 2024-03-27 18:15:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business 2024-03-27 18:16:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> As I said earlier, I wanted to bring up Elections in Old Business. 2024-03-27 18:17:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I talked with Aoife, and we're still set to do the elections during Fedora's elections. 2024-03-27 18:18:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The elections page isn't updated yet ... maybe ... so here are the dates. 2024-03-27 18:18:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> - Timeline: -- Selection of questions from Questionnaire Wed 2024-04-24 Wed 2024-05-08 14 --- Selection of questions from Questionnaire - start Wed 2024-04-24 Wed 2024-04-24 0 --- Selection of questions from Questionnaire - end Wed 2024-05-08 Wed 2024-05-08 0 -- Nomination period Wed 2024-04-24 Wed 2024-05-08 14 --- Nomination period - start Wed 2024-04-24 Wed 2024-04-24 0 --- Nomination period - end Wed 2024-05-08 Wed 2024-05-08 0 -- Interviews Wed 2024-05-08 Wed 2024-05-15 7 --- Interviews - start Wed 2024-05-08 Wed 2024-05-08 0 --- Interviews - end (@ 23:59:59 UTC) Wed 2024-05-15 Wed 2024-05-15 0 -- Voting Setup & Validation & Publishing of interviews Thu 2024-05-16 Thu 2024-05-16 0 -- Voting period Fri 2024-05-17 Thu 2024-05-30 13 --- Voting period starts (@ 00:00:00 UTC) Fri 2024-05-17 Fri 2024-05-17 0 --- Voting period ends (@ 23:59:59 UTC) Thu 2024-05-30 Thu 2024-05-30 0 -- Result Announcement Fri 2024-05-31 Fri 2024-05-31 0 2024-03-27 18:18:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry for the large amount of text. 2024-03-27 18:19:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, we have a month before the Nominations start. It would be good to start thinking about it. 2024-03-27 18:20:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> In particular, those who are already on the committee, think about if you want to run for this year, or next year. 2024-03-27 18:20:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi 2024-03-27 18:20:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his 2024-03-27 18:21:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> As a reminder, committee seats will be a two year thing. And we'll be voting for about half each time (4 one year, 3 the next0 2024-03-27 18:21:37 <@pgreco:fedora.im> I think I've already mentioned this, but I'm offering my position for the first round of elections 2024-03-27 18:21:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo 2024-03-27 18:22:01 <@pgreco:fedora.im> I'll always be around, but I haven't been doing much lately and I feel like someone new could help more 2024-03-27 18:22:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Pablo Greco: Yep, I think you mentioned it. I/We are all grateful for what you do and have done> 2024-03-27 18:23:08 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !cookie give Pablo Greco 2024-03-27 18:23:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **Usage:** !cookie give 2024-03-27 18:23:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> aw.. oh hey you get to be an emeritus member like smooge 2024-03-27 18:23:18 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !cookie give pgreco 2024-03-27 18:23:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> neil gave a cookie to pgreco. They now have 9 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 39 release cycle 2024-03-27 18:23:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> salimma has already given cookies to pgreco during the F39 timeframe 2024-03-27 18:23:40 <@pgreco:fedora.im> emeritus makes me feel distinguished, I like that ;) 2024-03-27 18:24:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm planning on running during this first election. Not that I want off the committee, but we need half to run this year, so I might as well do it now. 2024-03-27 18:25:05 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> I feel the same 2024-03-27 18:25:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm going to send out an email ... and maybe a post on the ... thing we post to... this week. 2024-03-27 18:26:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> how many do we want to put up to the vote this cycle? 2024-03-27 18:26:41 <@salimma:fedora.im> and how many more do we need to volunteer 2024-03-27 18:27:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Michel Lind🎩 - 😷🤧: It can be three or four, cuz it's the first election. Sounds like we already have three. 2024-03-27 18:28:12 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah. I might sit out since I'm trying to run for FESCo again this cycle 2024-03-27 18:28:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> this sorts it out then. running for two at once might be ... confusing to people 2024-03-27 18:28:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds good. 2024-03-27 18:28:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Any other questions about elections before I move on? 2024-03-27 18:29:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there any other Old Business that people want to bring up? 2024-03-27 18:30:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor 2024-03-27 18:30:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have anything for Open Floor? 2024-03-27 18:31:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I had 2 small items. ;) 2024-03-27 18:31:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Go for it. 2024-03-27 18:32:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh wait, just one... 2024-03-27 18:33:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think the items are so small one of them evaporated. 2024-03-27 18:33:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sorry, trying to find the ticket and have about 19,000 windows open 2024-03-27 18:34:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11947 2024-03-27 18:34:14 <@smooge:fedora.im> pkill xterm 2024-03-27 18:34:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I mentioned this before... but the plot thickened. 2024-03-27 18:34:34 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, if anyone has thoughts on it, please do chime in on ticket. The hack seems unviable. 2024-03-27 18:35:02 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> Hey, you said this was a small thing 2024-03-27 18:35:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> classic 80/20 strikes again 2024-03-27 18:36:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> a small thing with a long tail of doom. 2024-03-27 18:36:48 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> oh dear... thats a dragon's tail of doom 2024-03-27 18:37:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well, I'm betting I know why the numbers changed. The first batch of CentOS Stream 8 modules were build on on MBS, and the newer ones were built on a different one. 2024-03-27 18:37:11 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> oh god 2024-03-27 18:37:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> numbers, what do they even mean? 2024-03-27 18:38:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Obvious not much to Module land. 2024-03-27 18:38:38 <@smooge:fedora.im> @ppisar is correct that the 'fix' will break RHEL 2024-03-27 18:39:18 <@smooge:fedora.im> the hack we put in was to deal with the fact that the numbering changed half-way through the 8.0 lifetime 2024-03-27 18:39:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think waiting for Stream to remove all the old CS8 modules is the best/easiest plan. 2024-03-27 18:39:50 <@smooge:fedora.im> well I can think of a fix 2024-03-27 18:40:20 <@smooge:fedora.im> its not a pretty one.. but if we manually edit down the repos on batcave to the working ones 2024-03-27 18:40:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> renew module, really fast? (ie, r m - r f ) 2024-03-27 18:40:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> smoo 2024-03-27 18:40:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Stephen J Smoogen: won't it just resync them 2024-03-27 18:41:09 <@smooge:fedora.im> like my real memory real fast command 2024-03-27 18:41:44 <@smooge:fedora.im> so CS is different from the CDN and should only have the latest items on it.. but some filtering on rsync may also 'help' 2024-03-27 18:42:17 <@smooge:fedora.im> basically lock to this module in the rsync :) 2024-03-27 18:42:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I didn't think old modules were ever removed... we had problems with that before. 2024-03-27 18:42:47 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> you mean `sudo swapoff -a` ? 2024-03-27 18:42:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> For rpm's, CS has the last 5 versions, unless one of them was bad. But for modules ... it's so messy that they've been hanging around. 2024-03-27 18:43:01 <@smooge:fedora.im> oh yes.. you are correct.. modules can't be removed 2024-03-27 18:43:14 <@smooge:fedora.im> sorry I really shuffled that memory down 2024-03-27 18:43:49 <@smooge:fedora.im> and my 'rm -rf' isnt going to work because in order to parse modules you need them all around 2024-03-27 18:44:23 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> don't do it! 2024-03-27 18:45:25 <@smooge:fedora.im> OK new solution. We EOL CS8 now 2024-03-27 18:45:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> All in favor? 2024-03-27 18:45:55 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> +100 2024-03-27 18:46:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Wait wait ... sorry ... I meant No ... we can't do that. 2024-03-27 18:46:10 <@smooge:fedora.im> because if I am starting to read the metadata of the schema to figure out a better 'this is the latest' I am going to cry 2024-03-27 18:46:12 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> darn 2024-03-27 18:47:16 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> +1000000 2024-03-27 18:47:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We're starting to get towards the end of the meeting ... does anyone have any other Open Floor stuff while Smooge get's off his Modularity high ? 2024-03-27 18:47:56 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> have we tried ignoring the problem to see if it goes away? 2024-03-27 18:48:02 <@smooge:fedora.im> ok so I think the solution for this is going to be to figure out how dnf actually figures this out and copying that into grobisplitter 2024-03-27 18:49:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I would think that would be possible using some of the dnf libraries ... but I'm not positive about that. 2024-03-27 18:49:34 <@smooge:fedora.im> II am summarizing this in the ticket 2024-03-27 18:50:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Neil Hanlon: this is mostly my plan. ;) 2024-03-27 18:50:45 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> burn it down 2024-03-27 18:50:51 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> 😈 2024-03-27 18:52:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Any other items for Open Floor? 2024-03-27 18:53:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm not saying I want us to give up on that, cuz I appreciate smooge taking the hit and diving into it. But our time is running down. 2024-03-27 18:54:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Then I'm going to call it a meeting and close 5 minutes early. 2024-03-27 18:55:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming. Thank you for the good discussions. And especially thank you for all you do for EPEL and it's community. 2024-03-27 18:55:16 <@smooge:fedora.im> close it.. I got nothing more than pain and frustration 2024-03-27 18:55:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds good. 2024-03-27 18:55:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Talk to ya'll next week, if not sooner. 2024-03-27 18:55:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting