<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:30:37
!startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:30:38
Meeting started at 2024-04-03 16:30:37 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:30:39
The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:30:54
!topic roll call
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:31:29
!hi
<@mnguyen:fedora.im>
16:31:33
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:31:33
Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:31:34
Michael Nguyen (mnguyen)
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:32:03
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:32:05
Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
<@gurssing:matrix.org>
16:32:11
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:32:13
No Fedora Accounts users have the @gurssing:matrix.org Matrix Account defined
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
16:32:35
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:32:37
Michael Armijo (marmijo)
<@gurssing:matrix.org>
16:32:46
!hi gursewak
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
16:32:56
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:32:57
None (jlebon)
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:32:59
Gursewak Singh (gursewak)
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
16:33:13
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:33:15
Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:34:07
!topic Action items from last meeting
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:34:30
Veify with fifofonix if there is consensus (1.28 cluster with zswap), that checking the `--flag` is useful/relevant
<@jbrooks:matrix.org>
16:34:34
!hi jasonbrooks
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:34:36
Jason Brooks (jasonbrooks) - he / him / his
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:34:46
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:34:49
No Fedora Accounts users have the @aaradhak:matrix.org Matrix Account defined
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
16:34:59
!hi aaradhak
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:35:00
Aashish Radhakrishnan (aaradhak)
<@fifofonix:matrix.org>
16:35:10
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:35:11
Fifo Phonics (fifofonix)
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:37:28
Hey, fifofonix do you have any inputs about this action item from the last meeting?
- Verify with fifofonix if there is consensus (1.28 cluster with zswap), that checking the `--flag` is useful/relevant
<@fifofonix:matrix.org>
16:38:18
Right, so people wanted me to try the flag (not actually --flag) and I updated the issue indicating that with the necessary options 1.28 workers do seem to work without issues with zram.
<@fifofonix:matrix.org>
16:38:56
So, 1.28 doesn't work with zram unless you configure kubelet per links in the git issue.
<@fifofonix:matrix.org>
16:39:04
But with the kubelet config it works.
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
16:40:13
fifofonix: out of curiosity, how was configured ZRAM ?
<@fifofonix:matrix.org>
16:40:50
Default configuration via FAQ for Zram. Verified it was active via zramctl or similar
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
16:41:00
fifofonix: thanks for testing that! so it sounds like as is, turning on swap in FCOS would break k8s.
<@fifofonix:matrix.org>
16:41:07
Default configuration via FAQ for Zram, ie. applied to workers as ignition. Verified it was active via zramctl or similar
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:41:29
!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/859
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
16:41:51
so we can't turn it on without providing a generous heads up, and provide additional info on how to either disable it in FCOS, or enable the feature in k8s
<@fifofonix:matrix.org>
16:42:09
v1.28 yes, without some mods. that isn't the new news. we knew that from last time around. new news is that with recommended config changes kubelets work with v1.28. All as expected I think per documentation.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:45:20
agree, we'll have to announce it and wait a bit before doing it
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
16:45:21
fifofonix, do you also understand from https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/859#issuecomment-2007630492 that in v1.30, the kubelet would no longer fail to start with the default kubelet config?
<@fifofonix:matrix.org>
16:46:20
That is how I read it, but I claim no expertise or deep understanding in this area. I was just responding to a very specific test request (and I happened to be running v1.28)
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
16:47:20
Jonathan Lebon: let's ask that question explicitly to that person in the ticket? i.e. in 1.30 you won't need to provide `--fail-swap-on=false` correct?
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
16:48:10
dustymabe: agreed
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
16:50:34
i think we can move on to the topics?
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:51:08
Nice, so let's go! We have a few topics today.
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:51:33
Please let me know if one of them have been already discussed here.
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:51:36
!topic Join the Special Purpose Operating System Working Group (CNCF)
!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1696
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:52:56
I saw that dustymabe added the meeting label 2 weeks ago in the issue. Any insights about it?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:17
I'd say that folks interested in contributing / joining a CNCF group could take a look at this.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:31
I don't think there are any specific action to take here.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:54:47
Mostly adding us to the list of "related" OS already listed there
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:55:00
https://github.com/cncf/tag-runtime/blob/main/wg/sp-os.md#open-source-projects
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:55:20
Thanks, travier
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:55:28
So lets go to the next topic
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:55:34
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1575 please
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
16:55:35
!topic Ship dnf in FCOS and RHCOS
!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1687
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:56:31
I don't think we need to talk about this now. It's not a pressing issue
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:56:41
Let's do https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1575 instead as it's more presing
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:56:46
Let's do https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1575 instead as it's more pressing
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
16:57:08
i feel weird pursuing this when we don't really have a fleshed out story on how to install k8s on FCOS. yes, there are other things that build on top of FCOS that do, but we've been pretty isolated from those.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:57:38
Note that the CNCF is not only K8s :)
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
16:58:03
that's fair :)
<@siosm:matrix.org>
16:58:05
Note that the CNCF is not K8s only :)
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
16:59:14
agree to skip 1687 for now
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:00:05
Ok, so lets have 1575 for the next topic
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:00:08
!topic F39 drops some firmware packages that provide wifi/BT firmware
!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1575
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:01:21
I guess I can intro this one again
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:01:21
So, did we make any progress since last week?
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:01:25
we did discuss it last week
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:01:50
travier: was there an action item?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:02:11
Last week we did not reach a conclusion on what to do
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:02:34
right. we did not
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:02:34
I'd say that we either need to remove all firmware for F40 or include the missing ones.
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:02:43
but I don't think it was for lack of information
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:02:58
travier: I think I agree with you
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:03:22
lack of consensus :)
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:03:37
TL;DR some wifi firmware got dropped in F39. At that time we said we'd delay actually dropping it out of FCOS until F40 and warn users first.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:03:40
The easiest path is to add the missing ones for F40
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:03:50
that 2nd part didn't happen
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:04:00
and now more wifi firmware has been dropped out of F40
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:04:31
my proposal is that we add the newly dropped wifi firmware back to FCOS and then finally execute the initial plan of warn + drop in the next release
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:04:59
the alternate proposal is to drop all wifi firmware now in F40 maybe with some sort of coreos-status post
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:05:51
i think if it was before the next rebase, it'd be less weird to do this in f40. feels a bit too late now
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:06:21
Or we could say that we drop them in 3 months time
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:07:10
i think that'd be better, yeah. in theory, FCOS users shouldn't have to think in terms of Fedora releases anyway :)
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:08:05
I agree with that ^^ - though it would be nice to have it roll out in `next` for a period of time first.. and we're better at doing that around major rebases
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:09:12
to me it's more work to keep `next-devel` open just for that
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:09:14
The firmwares are a really hard set of packages to track as they change names frequently
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:09:22
but I'm happy with that approach too
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:09:59
fine either way too
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:10:14
> The firmwares are a really hard set of packages to track as they change names frequently
yeah? I feel like the reason we are having issues now is just because they are breaking them out into subpackages, but they won't break the subpackages into subpackages will they?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:10:52
OK, let's add them back for the F40 release, then we can plan for a removal with a 3 months warning and a potential CLHM helper
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:10:57
OK, let's add them back for the F40 release, then we can plan for a removal with a 3 months warning and a potential CLHM helper?
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:12:11
WFM - maybe in the wording of the proposal we can leave it open ended on if that gets rolled out with F41 or in the middle of F40.. at least in the initial work we can include the manifest list conditional on <F41
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:13:06
I think the bigger question for me here is.. can we find someone to own this so it doesn't drop on the floor again? perferrably someone other than travier Jonathan Lebon or myself
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:13:59
and by "own" I mean you ask people about it periodically until we've all worked together and it's implemented :)
the actual implementation should be easy IMO
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:14:10
(I'm currently doing the firmware addition PR for F40)
<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>
17:16:30
I can take that on my plate
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:16:33
good opportunity for someone willing to learn :)
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:16:55
https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-config/pull/2938
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:17:19
Thank you jbtrystram !
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:17:30
feel free to use me as a mentor on the project
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:18:27
!action dustymabe jbtrystram to meet to discuss implementation of wifi firmwares warning/deprecation
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:18:41
Yasmin Valim de Souza: let's do a proposed/agreed just so it ties off this issue
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:19:07
Sure!
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:20:35
!Agreed: We agreed to implement wifi firmwares back for the F40 release and plan the deprecation.
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:20:51
!agreed: We agreed to implement wifi firmwares back for the F40 release and plan the deprecation.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:21:22
hum, we usually start with a "proposed" and then do an agreed :)
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:21:29
!agreed : We agreed to implement wifi firmwares back for the F40 release and plan the deprecation.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:22:00
so that we can vote on it
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:22:13
Aaah, I got it. Lets make it again.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:22:20
!undo
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:22:26
not sure if that works for this bot
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:22:45
Does not look like it. Let's just do it again
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:23:25
!proposal : implement wifi firmwares back for the F40 release and plan the deprecation
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:23:58
I don't think we have this
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:24:10
maybe add "plan the deprecation for at least 3 months after initial announcement on coreos-status"
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:24:32
s/implement/add back/
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:24:46
s/implement/add <del>back</del>/
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:24:55
Nice! I am trying to find the alias for that.
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:25:22
I don't think there is any alias for proposed. You just write a new one
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:26:28
!proposal : implement wifi firmwares back for the F40 release and plan the deprecation for at least 3 months after initial announcement on coreos-status
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:26:51
good enough: +1
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:27:26
+1
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:27:34
+1
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:27:52
+1
<@marmijo:fedora.im>
17:28:09
+1
<@mnguyen:fedora.im>
17:28:27
+1
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:28:40
+1
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:29:45
Ok, I think we have a agreement now :)
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:30:15
(you need to post the same line using !agree now)
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:30:56
!agreed : implement wifi firmwares back for the F40 release and plan the deprecation for at least 3 months after initial announcement on coreos-status
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:31:09
Thanks for helping me with the meeting
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:31:17
interesting side note... at some point travier mentioned we don't include intel wifi firmware (which was an oversight TBH, not intentional).. and there is a note about that in the ucore docs: https://github.com/ublue-os/ucore
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:32:17
i'll note my comment is distracting and we can move to open floor
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:32:35
Let's go to open floor. I'll file an issue in their tracker
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:33:25
We still have those two topics:
- !topic Have the coreos-installer '--copy-network' option also copy generated udev ifname rules
- !topic Garbage collection policy for OS releases
But since its late, we can talk about it in the next meeting. Unless someone has something urgent to say about.
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:33:51
What do you think about it?
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:34:28
We're at time so it's better to go to open floor as they are not critical
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:34:39
!info test week for FCOS 40 is still going on https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/179
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:34:40
we're already over
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:34:51
!topic Open Floor
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:35:03
Anyone has anything to say before we end the meeting?
<@dustymabe:matrix.org>
17:35:05
!info test week for FCOS 40 is still going on https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/179
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:36:14
Thank you all for the presence and thanks for helping me with the commands. :)
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:37:03
Since it already passed a few minutes, I am ending the meeting
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:37:06
See you all!
<@ydesouza:fedora.im>
17:37:08
!endmeeting
<@siosm:matrix.org>
17:37:24
Thanks Yasmin for running
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:37:33
dustymabe: is there a running hackmd for test week?
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:37:39
thanks all, thanks Yasmin!
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:38:34
Jonathan Lebon: this is the hackmd for test week - https://hackmd.io/kwCRZ9fGTgWuMSh0HDwQJw?view
<@mnguyen:fedora.im>
17:39:36
Thanks Yasmin!
<@jlebon:fedora.im>
17:39:51
ash: thanks! I'll see if i can pick up some as well
<@aaradhak:matrix.org>
17:39:52
Thanks Yasmin!
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:00:16
!startmeeting EPEL (2024-04-03)
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
18:00:17
Meeting already in progress
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:00:24
!meetingname epel
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:00:29
!topic aloha
<@salimma:fedora.im>
18:00:47
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
18:00:48
Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
18:00:55
!endmeeting