2024-06-12 18:26:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2024-06-12)
2024-06-12 18:26:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-06-12 18:26:15 UTC
2024-06-12 18:26:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2024-06-12)'
2024-06-12 18:26:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2024-06-12 18:26:24 <@pgreco:fedora.im> wow, someone's eager to close ;)
2024-06-12 18:26:24 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2024-06-12 18:26:25 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> oh no
2024-06-12 18:26:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2024-06-12 18:26:50 <@dherrera:fedora.im> Woops
2024-06-12 18:27:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That's what I get for having my "End Meeting" and My "Open Floor" right next to each other. :(
2024-06-12 18:27:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Very sorry about that.
2024-06-12 18:27:39 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> deja vu all over again!
2024-06-12 18:27:44 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> all good, happens :) 
2024-06-12 18:28:26 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> an open floor thing, epel.io now works again
2024-06-12 18:28:30 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/11933
2024-06-12 18:28:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh cool
2024-06-12 18:28:48 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> nice!!
2024-06-12 18:28:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Who owns it now?
2024-06-12 18:29:30 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> fedora has owned it for years.  i originally purchased it and donated it.
2024-06-12 18:29:43 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> it was just broken for some reason for a long time
2024-06-12 18:30:41 <@pgreco:fedora.im> oh, nice. I don't think I ever knew it existed
2024-06-12 18:31:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I do have a bit of CentOS Stream 10 news.  It is now on the mirrors.
2024-06-12 18:32:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But it's still not ready, we haven't had the big mass rebuild yet.   Nor are the repo's pointing at the mirrors yet.
2024-06-12 18:32:23 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> nice!  
2024-06-12 18:32:39 <@pgreco:fedora.im> almost there!
2024-06-12 18:32:45 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2024-06-12 18:32:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2024-06-12 18:32:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Jonathan Wright 
2024-06-12 18:33:19 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> great job Troy Dawson and team! 
2024-06-12 18:33:48 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> hey Jonathan Wright -- happy belated birthday :)
2024-06-12 18:34:09 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> thank ya!
2024-06-12 18:34:25 <@smooge:fedora.im> ok question since this is the thing that always came up in the past.. are we going to be porting whatever packages were in EL9 to EL10
2024-06-12 18:34:53 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> once they're requested! 
2024-06-12 18:35:02 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> (and the owner does it)
2024-06-12 18:35:28 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I always thought that was discretionary
2024-06-12 18:35:33 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> my cookie cutter answer for that is epel isn't a defined content set, and it's up to individual maintainers to build their packages for each version
2024-06-12 18:35:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Stephen J Smoogen: Normal packages, nope.  eln-extra packages .... I believe we are going to have them branched.
2024-06-12 18:36:04 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> I apologize if I missed it in the scrollback but do we have a hard date for when EPEL10 will get started?
2024-06-12 18:36:13 <@smooge:fedora.im> ok sounds good. i am just expecting a need for an answer bot who can do !wheresmypackage
2024-06-12 18:36:17 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> I have some things I need to bring up before then
2024-06-12 18:36:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Nope
2024-06-12 18:36:47 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Are we still *months* out or are we thinking sooner?
2024-06-12 18:36:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Better to bring them up sooner, than later.
2024-06-12 18:37:04 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> no hard date.  i've been telling people to expect it roughly november or december.
2024-06-12 18:37:12 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> cool
2024-06-12 18:37:15 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Trying to gather more data to make the case, hence not bringing it up yet.
2024-06-12 18:37:23 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Ok perfect, thanks!
2024-06-12 18:37:31 <@smooge:fedora.im> i expect after the mass rebuild and the 'offs it doesn't build????' settles down
2024-06-12 18:37:34 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> that said, i would like a soft launch (i.e. no announcement) sooner than that so packagers can get to work
2024-06-12 18:38:20 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> so maybe soft pre-launch in august time-frame?
2024-06-12 18:38:33 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> (at flock, maybe?)
2024-06-12 18:38:44 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> might be too soon
2024-06-12 18:39:08 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> there is an epel10 hackfest accepted for flock, and the idea is we'll either work on infra pieces, or if they're ready by then just work on adding packages
2024-06-12 18:39:34 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> that sounds like a blast
2024-06-12 18:39:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The mass rebuild "should" be done by mid July ... hopefully sooner ... so Flock timeframe does sound good for a soft launch.
2024-06-12 18:39:43 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> excellent!
2024-06-12 18:42:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Slightly related to that, I'm working on a KDE rebuild on COPR for 10 ... I meant it to be fairly small, but when I hit the ffmpeg dependency ... it's not being as small as I'd like.
2024-06-12 18:43:32 <@pgreco:fedora.im> ffmpeg is always fun
2024-06-12 18:43:44 <@pgreco:fedora.im> aren't the guys from rpmfusion doing that one already?
2024-06-12 18:44:04 <@pgreco:fedora.im> I mean for 9, but as a starting point
2024-06-12 18:44:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, ffmpeg (free version) is in epel9.
2024-06-12 18:45:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And that's what this is.  The fedora version has everything ...-free
2024-06-12 18:45:24 <@pgreco:fedora.im> yeap, it got included when fedora got vlc iirc
2024-06-12 18:45:33 <@smooge:fedora.im> there are generally 2 forms of ffmpeg. Fedora/EPEL does the 'Can be used in the US' and RPMfusion does the 'can be used in any country that various companies haven't successfully sued in yet'
2024-06-12 18:46:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I laughed, and then I cried ... hense the emoji.
2024-06-12 18:46:52 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i had an open floor thing real quick: i'm going to branch cowsql for epel9 and then bring in `incus` with Conan Kudo 's help. we are interested in it for openstack-ansible, and there's a number of Rocky Linux users interested in it, too.. so, yeah.
2024-06-12 18:47:18 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> I've heard a lot about incus lately and was going to start looking into it as well.  If you need a hand let me know.
2024-06-12 18:47:31 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> thanks! looks relatively straight forward
2024-06-12 18:47:40 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> I knew there was already an open review for it last I looked but i hadn't looked at it beyond that.
2024-06-12 18:48:49 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Yeah I had the review and then got busy and so Michel ended up approving it.. but it's just cowsql as a dependency for incus in epel9, and I got it to build for x86 at least :P 
2024-06-12 18:49:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I was thinking cowsql was similar to couch ... but looks like no.
2024-06-12 18:49:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry, ya'll probrubly already knew that .... 
2024-06-12 18:50:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Any other Open Floor Items?
2024-06-12 18:50:22 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> next wednesday is a u.s. holiday.  should we cancel the meeting?
2024-06-12 18:50:37 <@smooge:fedora.im> sounds good to me
2024-06-12 18:50:42 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> it is?
2024-06-12 18:50:50 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> agreed, let's.
2024-06-12 18:51:03 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> oh sure enough, fed holiday.
2024-06-12 18:51:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That's right, I wasn't planning on being around.
2024-06-12 18:51:22 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> +1 for cancelling the meeting
2024-06-12 18:51:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> +1
2024-06-12 18:51:37 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> +1
2024-06-12 18:51:46 <@pgreco:fedora.im> +1, and thanks for the good news
2024-06-12 18:51:58 <@pgreco:fedora.im> I didn't know I had the day off ;)
2024-06-12 18:52:01 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> +1 to cancel
2024-06-12 18:53:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !agreed Due to a US Holiday next Wednesnday (July 19), we will cancel next weeks meeting. +1 unanamous
2024-06-12 18:54:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Any other Open Floor stuff before we close?
2024-06-12 18:55:25 <@smooge:fedora.im> hit the button Troy
2024-06-12 18:55:33 <@pgreco:fedora.im> for real this time
2024-06-12 18:55:40 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> lol mst3k!! ftw
2024-06-12 18:55:43 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> byeee
2024-06-12 18:55:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming, and thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's community.
2024-06-12 18:55:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to you in two weeks, if not sooner.
2024-06-12 18:56:00 <@dherrera:fedora.im> Thx Troy :)
2024-06-12 18:56:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting