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2024-10-16 18:00:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2024-10-16)
2024-10-16 18:00:29 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-10-16 18:00:28 UTC
2024-10-16 18:00:29 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2024-10-16)'
2024-10-16 18:00:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2024-10-16 18:00:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2024-10-16 18:00:37 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2024-10-16 18:01:09 <@pgreco:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-16 18:01:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Pablo Sebastian Greco (pgreco)
2024-10-16 18:01:23 <@pgreco:fedora.im> I'm 20% here, dealing with a work meeting
2024-10-16 18:01:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2024-10-16 18:02:30 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !hi
2024-10-16 18:02:31 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2024-10-16 18:03:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Pablo Greco and Carl George 
2024-10-16 18:03:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 
2024-10-16 18:04:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We're a little light on peole again ... but that's ok.
2024-10-16 18:04:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We're a little light on people again ... but that's ok.
2024-10-16 18:05:20 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2024-10-16 18:05:21 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2024-10-16 18:05:22 <@xavierb:bachelot.org> !hi
2024-10-16 18:05:24 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (xavierb)
2024-10-16 18:05:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2024-10-16 18:05:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
2024-10-16 18:05:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca and Xavier bachelot 
2024-10-16 18:06:36 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2024-10-16 18:06:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2024-10-16 18:07:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The only open issue we have is about re2
2024-10-16 18:07:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 297
2024-10-16 18:07:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a day ago
2024-10-16 18:07:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 2 days ago by music
2024-10-16 18:07:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-10-16 18:07:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #297** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/297):**Proposed incompatible upgrade for re2 in EPEL10**
2024-10-16 18:07:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-10-16 18:07:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> This has gotten a +1 all around.
2024-10-16 18:08:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe there is some discussion to be had on whether we can/should waive the 1 week wait time.
2024-10-16 18:08:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I haven't checked.  Is it already to late to do that?  Meaning, have the relevant packages already been built?
2024-10-16 18:09:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep, looks like grpc has already been built against the older re2.
2024-10-16 18:10:03 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> yeah i suggested in the main channel that since we haven't launched epel10 officially yet, and we don't even have the week testing period, we should fasttrack this
2024-10-16 18:10:49 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i.e. we can't even do step 7 right now
2024-10-16 18:11:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2024-10-16 18:11:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm ok with fast-tracking it.
2024-10-16 18:11:59 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> so i guess the question is, for step 4, do we need a full week discussion on list?
2024-10-16 18:12:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thus far, I believe only grpc will need to be rebuilt ... and maybe some of it's dependencies.
2024-10-16 18:12:18 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> we're already talking about it so we've already sorta skipped ahead
2024-10-16 18:12:28 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> we're already talking about it here at the meeting so we've already sorta skipped ahead
2024-10-16 18:14:36 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i propose that we approve this with instructions to send the announce list email and then do the update, and call it good
2024-10-16 18:14:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, because of the state epel10 is in, step 7 can be skipped, and step 6 and 8 are the same thing ...
2024-10-16 18:14:55 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> and probably a note that we're explicitly waiving the rest of the time delays
2024-10-16 18:16:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep, I agree with you, that we can/should wait the step 4 time delay ... there's already been plenty of discussion.
2024-10-16 18:16:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I would like to make sure that grpc builds on the newer re2 though.
2024-10-16 18:17:10 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> right, and i trust music to do that all in a side tag
2024-10-16 18:17:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Xavier bachelot: I know that grpc will need to be rebuilt when re2 is rebuilt.  Do you have any other packages that potentially will need to be rebuilt?
2024-10-16 18:18:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think you needed it for ceph.  Does ceph need re2?
2024-10-16 18:19:45 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> based on repoquery, it looks like just grpc and libarrow
2024-10-16 18:19:47 <@xavierb:bachelot.org> The ceph thing is not mine
2024-10-16 18:20:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ah, ok.  I must have gotten things mixed up.
2024-10-16 18:21:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Then I'm totally fine with fast-tracking this by waiving the time delays.
2024-10-16 18:22:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The issue already has the majority of committee members, and no -1 ... so I think the only thing we have to vote on is whether we fast track it.
2024-10-16 18:23:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, let's make this official.  I believe we have enough committee members here to have a majority.
2024-10-16 18:24:03 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> +1 to fasttracking
2024-10-16 18:24:13 <@davide:cavalca.name> +1
2024-10-16 18:24:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2024-10-16 18:24:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> +1 to fasttrack
2024-10-16 18:24:42 <@pgreco:fedora.im> +1
2024-10-16 18:25:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Xavier bachelot: I know you aren't on the committee, but you are affected by this, what is your vote on fast-tracking re2?
2024-10-16 18:26:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !info Proposal to fast-track re2 incompatible upgrade: issue 297 - passed.  4: for 0: against 3 absent.
2024-10-16 18:27:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone want to do the ticket?  Or should I?
2024-10-16 18:28:17 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> go ahead
2024-10-16 18:28:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, I'll update the issue, and reply to the email after this meeting.
2024-10-16 18:28:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Moving on.
2024-10-16 18:28:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> 
2024-10-16 18:28:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> https://hackmd.io/q6TNkYjJT82EtzhlyPGpog
2024-10-16 18:28:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL 10
2024-10-16 18:29:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm sorry about the CentOS Stream repo wierdness that causes build and testing problems.   But for CentOS Stream 10, things are back ... mostly.
2024-10-16 18:30:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe the CRB source repo is still acting wierd.
2024-10-16 18:30:28 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> can't hold it against you, it hasn't even been announced yet 😉
2024-10-16 18:30:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well, it wasn't even my fault, it was a mirrormanager database oddity.
2024-10-16 18:31:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> This isn't the first time this has happened, so I've written a script so we hopefully will catch it before we wait 12 hours.
2024-10-16 18:32:36 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> in other epel10 news, my pr to mock-core-configs was merged to add the proper mirrormanager repos, instead of just using the koji buildroot local repo.  hasn't been included in a release yet, but will likely be in the next one.
2024-10-16 18:32:41 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/rpm-software-management/mock/pull/1484
2024-10-16 18:33:44 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2024-10-16 18:33:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-10-16 18:33:48 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> g'day, folks
2024-10-16 18:34:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Currently, I sorta like using the buildroot-local repos ... it get's the packages available sooner .... but ... I totally understand why it needs to be changed.
2024-10-16 18:34:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon 
2024-10-16 18:36:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> A few statistical numbers ... we are very close to 2600 source packages in epel10
2024-10-16 18:36:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> possibly by tomorrow we will be there.
2024-10-16 18:36:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Also, as of a few days ago, there are no more un-installable rust-* packages.
2024-10-16 18:36:55 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> yeah i'm happy about the dropping number of uninstallables
2024-10-16 18:37:07 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> shiny rust packages...er... wait.
2024-10-16 18:37:44 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> in case anyone missed it, troy added the crb script to epel-release for 10
2024-10-16 18:37:49 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/epel-release/pull-request/31
2024-10-16 18:38:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, that's right.   I was doing some testing in containers and had to keep enabling crb by hand.
2024-10-16 18:39:37 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> related to the uninstallable problem, last week i agreed to open an issue to track it, but i discovered an existing issue for it
2024-10-16 18:39:43 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/epel/issue/25
2024-10-16 18:40:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Wow ... that is the oldest open issue we have. :)
2024-10-16 18:40:32 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> indeed
2024-10-16 18:40:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> 9 years old.
2024-10-16 18:41:07 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That would be great to finally get that available.
2024-10-16 18:41:45 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> Diego Herrera sent some prs to hopefully get progress started on it
2024-10-16 18:41:59 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/fedora-ci/mini-tps/pull/70
2024-10-16 18:42:06 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/fedora-ci/installability-pipeline/pull/43
2024-10-16 18:42:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That's right ... since epel10 will always be on CentOS Stream 10, we don't have the "RHEL" problem.
2024-10-16 18:43:49 <@dherrera:fedora.im> we might want to track a current-rhel branch when minors are a thing ... or do we?
2024-10-16 18:43:52 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> well, not for 5.5 years
2024-10-16 18:44:13 <@dherrera:fedora.im> I think that tracking on the main epel is just enough
2024-10-16 18:44:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh ... forgot about the 5 year thing.
2024-10-16 18:45:00 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> doing installability checks on just the leading epel10 branch and not the trailing epel10.x branches is better than doing no installability checks at all
2024-10-16 18:45:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I just noticed the time.  I'm going to move on ...
2024-10-16 18:45:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we have any Old Business and/or Open Floor (New Business) ?
2024-10-16 18:46:08 <@davide:cavalca.name> I have one thing for open floor
2024-10-16 18:46:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Old Business / Open Floor
2024-10-16 18:46:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca: Go for it.
2024-10-16 18:46:33 <@davide:cavalca.name> I'd like to update the libimobiledevice stack in epel10 to match what we have in rawhide
2024-10-16 18:46:35 <@davide:cavalca.name> see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/PWJYOCUM5EZRKLJDQ3NMRFKND7WZ6XNJ/
2024-10-16 18:46:46 <@davide:cavalca.name> this impacts KDE, among other things, because of libplist
2024-10-16 18:47:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I thought it was part of the KDE stack?
2024-10-16 18:47:29 <@davide:cavalca.name> it's orthogonal I think? https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2024-e0671580b1 was the rawhide update set for reference
2024-10-16 18:48:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ohh ... you are correct 
2024-10-16 18:48:25 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i'm good with another fasttrack incompat update, as long as we give it at least a few days for list discussion like we did for re2
2024-10-16 18:48:46 <@davide:cavalca.name> yeah, there's no real urgency, I'd just like it done before epel10 is official
2024-10-16 18:48:54 <@davide:cavalca.name> as it involved multiple soname bumps
2024-10-16 18:48:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is it incompatible?  Have we checked yet?
2024-10-16 18:49:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh ... yes you have. :)
2024-10-16 18:49:06 <@davide:cavalca.name> yeah
2024-10-16 18:49:19 <@davide:cavalca.name> happy to file an issue, just wanted to check here first in case folks had questions/concerns
2024-10-16 18:50:48 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> yeah we talked about that at the hackfest, but so far no one has proposed policy words to that effect
2024-10-16 18:51:54 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> them dang round tuit problems
2024-10-16 18:52:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca: I have two packages that will require a rebuild, but they should rebuild fine.
2024-10-16 18:53:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Wait ... the soname they require didn't get bumped libimobiledevice-1.0.so.6  .... but anyway ... that doesn't need to be talked about during the meeting.
2024-10-16 18:54:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else for open floor?
2024-10-16 18:56:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And from the silence, I don't think anyone else does.
2024-10-16 18:56:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming and thank you for the good discussions.  And thank you all for all you do for EPEL and it's community.
2024-10-16 18:56:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to you next week if not sooner.
2024-10-16 18:57:53 <@xavierb:bachelot.org> thanks Troy Dawson
2024-10-16 18:57:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting